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Bggrnchvy
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The VVS basically has limited training in SEAD. It's been a huge miss the whole war, sure they have used some KH-31P to success, but they do not own the air space because they can't. Most of the losses of Ukrainian SAM systems are from artillery or BVR precision strike weapons spotted by drones, not antiradiation missiles from aircraft.
Russia has all the normal precision strike weapons, cruise missiles, air launched hypersonic missiles and ground/ship based hypersonics, laser guided bombs, etc. The problem is they are almost depleted and their rate of production isn't anywhere near where they need to be to keep operational tempo. When was the last time they launched an Iskander? Last year?
We spent 20 years fighting people living in caves. If they had massed in numbers that would have depleted our precision strike inventory, we would only have been at war for a few minutes. Instead we put money into SpecWar, intelligence, and maintaining presence on the ground, not bulking up to fight a peer adversary.
With the existential threat China is becoming our shipping industry is being bolstered by billions in infrastructure funding and now our munitions supply will start to see the same. Hard to supply the world with nuclear subs and artillery shells at a moments notice. It's something you have to gear up to do.
There are scenarios that say the first few days of war with China would deplete all forward deployed stocks of precision strike weapons. Of course we would also loose half the submarines that would be deploying many of them so some of that is moot.
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BY NICHOLAS SLAYTON | PUBLISHED APR 19, 2023 11:14 AM EDT
Yevgeny Prigohzin, the leader of the Kremlin-linked Wagner Group, unexpectedly called for an end to Russia’s war in Ukraine. Prigozhin said the time was right to stop trying to seize more Ukrainian territory, consolidate control of what it has in Ukraine’s east, and end the fighting.
The remarks, published in a lengthy blog post on Friday, April 14 see the oligarch-turned-PMC leader ramble about the importance of the contested city of Bakhmut, denounce the “deep state” inside of Russia, call for an end to the “special military operation” as Russia calls the war and then claim a strong Ukrainian counteroffensive would be beneficial as it would rally Russian forces.
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“The ideal option would be to announce the end of the special military operation and declare that Russia has achieved all of its planned goals — and, in some respects, we really have achieved them,” Prigozhin said in the more than 3,000-word blog post.
It’s a bold claim and call to action for Prigozhin, who has not been particularly dovish since the war began. He has regularly shared videos from what he claims are the front lines, showing Wagner contract fighters as well as many corpses and funerals. The Wagner Group leader, known as “Putin’s chef” for his many catering businesses, has also heavily criticized the official military’s handling of the war, and said that it is denying his fighters ammunition — which includes convicts pulled from prisons to the front lines.
He also mentioned the recently leaked U.S. intelligence documents about the war in Ukraine but downplayed their impact and relevance.
Prigozhin’s calls for the war to end don’t mention ceding any of the lands already under Russian control. He does not call for trying to take the contested areas where Russian forces are fighting. However, his position on ending the ongoing war in Ukraine is more about his anger with what he sees as a divided Russia and inept military leaders. He opposed any negotiations and said that once settled into controlled lands, he hopes a Ukrainian counteroffensive will be launched to hit Russian fortifications. Why? The “best scenario for healing Russia” is that a major Ukrainian attack will rally Russia into a united front.
His opinions play into his ongoing feud with the Russian military, but amid his bold call for ending the fighting, and claims that a deep state is trying to undermine Russia’s ability to wage war, Prigozhin offered some surprising comments about the state of the front lines around the city of Bakhmut. Most importantly, he fully expects to lose the city in the Ukrainian counteroffensive.
“The troops ready for the counteroffensive are in the areas of concentration — they have enough of everything,” Prigozhin wrote. Fighting around the city has destroyed much of it and settled into trench warfare with neither side able to muster a combined-arms push to break the other side’s lines. But the Wagner Group leader says Ukraine has all of what it needs now, including fighters and ammunition. He had pushed to take the city and had been gaining ground, partly to boost the prestige of his organization, but his blog post bluntly said that Wagner cannot hold Bakhmut.
In fact, in an apparent effort to save face, he downplayed the importance of the city, saying “the capture of Bakhmut itself will not ensure a short-term victory over Ukraine, the road to the Dnieper, or even the capture of Donbas.”
Wagner Group leader calls for end to Russia's 'special military operation'
The Wagner Group leader published a blog post denouncing the “deep state” inside of Russia, and calling for an end to the war in Ukraine.
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Wagner Group leader calls for end to Russia’s ‘special military operation’
“Putin’s Chef” says Russia accomplished its mission.BY NICHOLAS SLAYTON | PUBLISHED APR 19, 2023 11:14 AM EDT
Yevgeny Prigohzin, the leader of the Kremlin-linked Wagner Group, unexpectedly called for an end to Russia’s war in Ukraine. Prigozhin said the time was right to stop trying to seize more Ukrainian territory, consolidate control of what it has in Ukraine’s east, and end the fighting.
The remarks, published in a lengthy blog post on Friday, April 14 see the oligarch-turned-PMC leader ramble about the importance of the contested city of Bakhmut, denounce the “deep state” inside of Russia, call for an end to the “special military operation” as Russia calls the war and then claim a strong Ukrainian counteroffensive would be beneficial as it would rally Russian forces.
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“The ideal option would be to announce the end of the special military operation and declare that Russia has achieved all of its planned goals — and, in some respects, we really have achieved them,” Prigozhin said in the more than 3,000-word blog post.
It’s a bold claim and call to action for Prigozhin, who has not been particularly dovish since the war began. He has regularly shared videos from what he claims are the front lines, showing Wagner contract fighters as well as many corpses and funerals. The Wagner Group leader, known as “Putin’s chef” for his many catering businesses, has also heavily criticized the official military’s handling of the war, and said that it is denying his fighters ammunition — which includes convicts pulled from prisons to the front lines.
He also mentioned the recently leaked U.S. intelligence documents about the war in Ukraine but downplayed their impact and relevance.
Prigozhin’s calls for the war to end don’t mention ceding any of the lands already under Russian control. He does not call for trying to take the contested areas where Russian forces are fighting. However, his position on ending the ongoing war in Ukraine is more about his anger with what he sees as a divided Russia and inept military leaders. He opposed any negotiations and said that once settled into controlled lands, he hopes a Ukrainian counteroffensive will be launched to hit Russian fortifications. Why? The “best scenario for healing Russia” is that a major Ukrainian attack will rally Russia into a united front.
His opinions play into his ongoing feud with the Russian military, but amid his bold call for ending the fighting, and claims that a deep state is trying to undermine Russia’s ability to wage war, Prigozhin offered some surprising comments about the state of the front lines around the city of Bakhmut. Most importantly, he fully expects to lose the city in the Ukrainian counteroffensive.
“The troops ready for the counteroffensive are in the areas of concentration — they have enough of everything,” Prigozhin wrote. Fighting around the city has destroyed much of it and settled into trench warfare with neither side able to muster a combined-arms push to break the other side’s lines. But the Wagner Group leader says Ukraine has all of what it needs now, including fighters and ammunition. He had pushed to take the city and had been gaining ground, partly to boost the prestige of his organization, but his blog post bluntly said that Wagner cannot hold Bakhmut.
In fact, in an apparent effort to save face, he downplayed the importance of the city, saying “the capture of Bakhmut itself will not ensure a short-term victory over Ukraine, the road to the Dnieper, or even the capture of Donbas.”
shortbus4x4
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So which Irate4x4 member is this?
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Ukrainian farmer comes up with novel way to demine his fields
A Ukrainian farmer has come up with a novel way to remove mines left in his fields after Russia's invasion -- he's kitted out his tractor with protective panels stripped from Russian tanks and operates it by remote control. After Russian forces were driven back from parts of eastern Ukraine by...
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ugh, that guy again?
wonder if we ended up sending them our old stockpile of the 155 shell that drops a bunch of minesSo which Irate4x4 member is this?
Ukrainian farmer comes up with novel way to demine his fields
A Ukrainian farmer has come up with a novel way to remove mines left in his fields after Russia's invasion -- he's kitted out his tractor with protective panels stripped from Russian tanks and operates it by remote control. After Russian forces were driven back from parts of eastern Ukraine by...
they were getting old enough that they were gonna be paying to destroy them years back, but...
just saying, lots of those mines may very well have US manufacture stamps on them
Tech Tim
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And a lot of them could've been placed by the Ukrainians to slow the Russians and now using them as anti-Russian propaganda.
we did.
the french sent some too I believe.
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This should go well....
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It said Russia reserved the right to retaliate - a comment that suggested that Moscow might use the alleged incident to justify a further escalation in its war with Ukraine.
"Two unmanned aerial vehicles were aimed at the Kremlin. As a result of timely actions taken by the military and special services with the use of radar warfare systems, the devices were put out of action," the Kremlin said in a statement.
Russia says Ukraine tried to kill Putin with night-time drone attack on Kremlin
Russia accused Ukraine on Wednesday of attacking the Kremlin with drones overnight in an attempt to kill President Vladimir Putin - the most serious allegation that Moscow has levelled at Kyiv in more than 14 months of war.
It said Russia reserved the right to retaliate - a comment that suggested that Moscow might use the alleged incident to justify a further escalation in its war with Ukraine.
"Two unmanned aerial vehicles were aimed at the Kremlin. As a result of timely actions taken by the military and special services with the use of radar warfare systems, the devices were put out of action," the Kremlin said in a statement.
Sandy Johnson
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yeah, it doesn't really make a lot of sense that an advancing army would place mines in front of themselves... or behind themselves.
Sandy Johnson
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Short of nuclear, I'm curious what sort of escalation this would lead to? Aren't both sides already trying really hard to kill each other? We'd have to be crazy to believe that Russia hasn't already been trying to kill Zelensky on the sly.This should go well....
Russia says Ukraine tried to kill Putin with night-time drone attack on Kremlin
Russia accused Ukraine on Wednesday of attacking the Kremlin with drones overnight in an attempt to kill President Vladimir Putin - the most serious allegation that Moscow has levelled at Kyiv in more than 14 months of war.
It said Russia reserved the right to retaliate - a comment that suggested that Moscow might use the alleged incident to justify a further escalation in its war with Ukraine.
"Two unmanned aerial vehicles were aimed at the Kremlin. As a result of timely actions taken by the military and special services with the use of radar warfare systems, the devices were put out of action," the Kremlin said in a statement.
Tech Tim
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Are they? Or is it just theatre for the masses?
they've been using the 155 shells to drop mines behind the advancing russian vehicles, and then when they retreat back along their path they find some mines that weren't there an hour ago.
It really is an asshole munition.
Sandy Johnson
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It's fawked, but it's also war. I can't think of a single weapon that's used to kill people more efficiently that isn't horrible. Both sides drop regular artillery shells on retreating forces for example.
Sandy, retreating forces are the best ones to shell. They are concentrated and usually dont fire back as effectively as advancing ones. They retreat to gain or regain some tactical or strategic advantage. To live to fight and kill another day. War is kill or be killed, no more no less. The direction an army goes does not change its status as a target. This is basic savagery going back to pre and protohuman apes and hominids.
Surrendering troops, no, off limits to target. Hopefully.
Surrendering troops, no, off limits to target. Hopefully.
and they're also usually in a panic.
they are doing exactly what they're intended to do, just that all landmines are asshole munitions. remotely delivered ones that appeared right after you just drove through that road or field are just particularly dickhead, but really effective.
With a lazy keyboard guess, those shell delivered mines are on the surface or have some impact signature ? Running at night on road I can see a big problem with not seeing the mines. In any event cheap and potentially effective death from above, at the feet.
shell bursts over the area, disperses mines.
mines are supposed to have self destruct timers so they don't persist forever and become a danger to non combatants or your own advancing troops later on.
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ugh, that guy again?
hahahahaha
good
[486]
ugh, that guy again?
you're starting to get it
there are no war crimes, only victors and losers
war itself is the crime
[486]
ugh, that guy again?
to add to the UXO concerns, the shell we had in stockpile were tested years back to have an extremely high failure rate on the time delay mechanism
like 20% or more of them were failing a decade ago
I'll take "Shit that's not our problem anymore for $2000, Alex"
Sandy Johnson
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I've always understood that. I just don't want Russia to be the victors.
I don't think they're the bad guys because they invaded. I already wasn't a fan of Russian policy prior.
Someone just got their tax returns, another $300 million:
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US sending about $300 million in military aid to Ukraine
The U.S. is sending Ukraine about $300 million in additional military aid, including an enormous amount of artillery rounds, howitzers, air-to-ground rockets and ammunition as the launch of the spring offensive against Russian forces approaches. The Pentagon says the new package includes...
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Drummer79
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Who else besides me is loving all this taxation without representation? This kinda spending should be on a fucking bond referendum or something like it was back in the day, not just write a check.Someone just got their tax returns, another $300 billion:
US sending about $300 million in military aid to Ukraine
The U.S. is sending Ukraine about $300 million in additional military aid, including an enormous amount of artillery rounds, howitzers, air-to-ground rockets and ammunition as the launch of the spring offensive against Russian forces approaches. The Pentagon says the new package includes...
Beyond that, during the last election during all the mud slinging weren't they claiming Ukraine was corrupt as shit? Biden's family had ties, Trump did bad shit apparently, and now we just fucking throw money at them like drunken sailors. (and that's an insult to drunken sailors). I'm so fucking sick of all this shit..
shutting up now, before i get into the whole debt cieling and all that shit.
I got laid off at Christmas from a job i thought I could retire from, so I know good and damn well how I can't spend more than i take in, how fucking hard is that concept?
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ugh, that guy again?
exactly why I'm laughing
[486]
ugh, that guy again?
don't worry about it bro, you've been a free-range tax slave all your life, just like the rest of us
easiest way to avoid getting fucked is to make less money
make less and spend less
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