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shortbus4x4 said:
The Germans figured it out in the mid 40s so I'm sure the technology has improved since then. Also with no external guidance source you don't have to worry about it getting hacked and used against you.
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Germans weren't being overly precise at that point, but it was impressive for the period. I was more getting at that you should be able to do it for $150 in stuff from eBay and some code you downloaded for free. :laughing:


War always has an economic component. If you can pack $500 of explosives into a $300 model airplane and control it with $150 in hardware and do $500000 in damage with it, you will eventually win if you can assemble model airplanes fast enough. :homer:
 
ProjectTwin said:
You can flood an area with enough RF energy to block signals from passing through that area. Did it in the military. :homer:
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Living in a rural area where there's only one cell tower for a 10 KM radius, you certainly see your signals hitting the floor during morning and evening rush hour.
 
Leave behind billions in weapons in Afghan.
Taliban fighters are well armed, but no war so they are bored and need work and money.
Along comes Russia with money and work.
Hmmm.
foreignpolicy.com

Russia’s Recruiting Afghan Commandos

Abandoned special forces veterans are getting job offers for a very different kind of battlefield.
foreignpolicy.com foreignpolicy.com
 
Yota Up said:
Leave behind billions in weapons in Afghan.
Taliban fighters are well armed, but no war so they are bored and need work and money.
Along comes Russia with money and work.
Hmmm.
foreignpolicy.com

Russia’s Recruiting Afghan Commandos

Abandoned special forces veterans are getting job offers for a very different kind of battlefield.
foreignpolicy.com foreignpolicy.com
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If they hire the ones we trained, Ukraine has nothing to worry about.
 
87manche said:
they registered the city domain name with that spelling in 2011.

0-UANIC 20110304124043

so it was them that changed the spelling.

nobody's business but the turks.
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google maps switched over sometime after '18

I'm not complaining about them romanizing their shit in any way they want, I'm complaining about americans adopting a poorer... phonetic match?
It is like many slavic names, they're totally un-pronouncable to a western mouth, so we assemble the letters in order to get the correct pronunciation across with the least effort
 
Redrider said:
Drones are programmed with no guidance signal.
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I am ignorant of any thing tech drone, so please indulge me. The unit is launched and goes to its target. How does it know where the target is ? - It's programmed to fly to xyz. How does it know where xya is ? Does it receive GPS ? If not, how does it know where to go ? A camera map ? Comanche used to have a some drone business . .. . . . . - thanks
 
Splib said:
I am ignorant of any thing tech drone, so please indulge me. The unit is launched and goes to its target. How does it know where the target is ? - It's programmed to fly to xyz. How does it know where xya is ? Does it receive GPS ? If not, how does it know where to go ? A camera map ? Comanche used to have a some drone business . .. . . . . - thanks
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why do you think we built the GPS system, and why do you think Russia built their own?
It wasn't to get you around the city easier.
absent any sort of external positioning data, it does it just the same as any other pilot pre GPS, dead reckoning.
 
Splib said:
I am ignorant of any thing tech drone, so please indulge me. The unit is launched and goes to its target. How does it know where the target is ? - It's programmed to fly to xyz. How does it know where xya is ? Does it receive GPS ? If not, how does it know where to go ? A camera map ? Comanche used to have a some drone business . .. . . . . - thanks
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I don't know what they've done, but via gyros you can perform dead reckoning navigation to incredibly precise degrees. You just need to know where you are to start with for that to work. So, where they're launching the drone from will be programmed into it, along with where they want it to go. Then the gyros will spit out information regarding the changes in heading/acceleration, and it can just compute where it is going relative to that starting point. It's how commercial airliners managed to get all around the world pre-GPS (and actually they still use it, because it is not subject to outside interference).

What exact hardware they're using, along with programming, I don't know. That's why I asked the other manche.
 
Scott Cee aka 2drx4 said:
I don't know what they've done, but via gyros you can perform dead reckoning navigation to incredibly precise degrees. You just need to know where you are to start with for that to work. So, where they're launching the drone from will be programmed into it, along with where they want it to go. Then the gyros will spit out information regarding the changes in heading/acceleration, and it can just compute where it is going relative to that starting point. It's how commercial airliners managed to get all around the world pre-GPS (and actually they still use it, because it is not subject to outside interference).

What exact hardware they're using, along with programming, I don't know. That's why I asked the other manche.
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if you're referring to me, I've no idea what's in an iranian drone.

I have said in the past that I could deliver an aircraft to a destination for $200 worth of electronics. How big it is and what it carries doesn't really matter.
the whole ardupilot system is open source. So if I were a poor nation state looking to develop my own flying bombs I'd probably start there.
 
87manche said:
if you're referring to me, I've no idea what's in an iranian drone.

I have said in the past that I could deliver an aircraft to a destination for $200 worth of electronics. How big it is and what it carries doesn't really matter.
the whole ardupilot system is open source. So if I were a poor nation state looking to develop my own flying bombs I'd probably start there.
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Yes, you, because I know your model airplane habit is nothing but a cover for building autonomous aerial weapons to use against the government. :flipoff2:


Really I just assumed whatever you RC guys were using is exactly what the Iranians are using, hence you'd know. All the parts come from Alibaba originally I assume. :laughing:
 
Thefishguy77 said:
Just stay the fuck out of it and let them work it out. Seems better for tax payer dollars to me.
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Exactly. The only reason we're even involved and it's all over the media is that our corrupt politicians used the CIA to establish the current Ukraine government so that they could launder taxpayer money into their own pockets, and Zelensky has the evidence to bury them. The payments we've been sending to Ukraine for this "war" is blackmail payoffs.
 
Scott Cee aka 2drx4 said:
Really I just assumed whatever you RC guys were using is exactly what the Iranians are using, hence you'd know. All the parts come from Alibaba originally I assume. :laughing:
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You doing what you do (or did), you don't really believe they're that low tech, do you?

Seriously?
 
Scott Cee aka 2drx4 said:
Yes, you, because I know your model airplane habit is nothing but a cover for building autonomous aerial weapons to use against the government. :flipoff2:


Really I just assumed whatever you RC guys were using is exactly what the Iranians are using, hence you'd know. All the parts come from Alibaba originally I assume. :laughing:
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was the whole purpose of the ardupilot development.
cheap commodity parts to homebrew autonomous vehicles with.
www.alibaba.com

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only $70 a pop if you buy government drone program quanitites.
then you need your GPS receivers, and if I were doing it I'd grab actual airspeed sensors as well. So it can dead reckon from it's last known position when it drives itself into the GPS jamming area around a city.

I mean, for serious this shit is easy. I can't believe all the people that are surprised that the iranians have effective bomb drones. I make a passable bomb drone in a few weeks, less if I had a blank check and a shah threatening to kill me.
 
Icono said:
You doing what you do (or did), you don't really believe they're that low tech, do you?

Seriously?
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I do.
why would you engineer a whole system from the ground up when 95% of the work is done in the commercial space?
They're cheap weapons of terror, not ballistic missiles.

edit:
we already know they're not that accurate because they rely on commercial GPS.
 
Icono said:
You doing what you do (or did), you don't really believe they're that low tech, do you?

Seriously?
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Why not? If the tech gets it done you use it.

Expending million dollar missiles to destroy thousand dollar targets is how you lose the economic side of war.

I don't build drones. I prefer the full sized stuff. I can tell you just how simply automated flight is.
 
87manche said:
was the whole purpose of the ardupilot development.
cheap commodity parts to homebrew autonomous vehicles with.
www.alibaba.com

Pixhawk Pix4 Autopilot 2.4.6 32 Bit Arm Flight Controller Rc Toy Parts W/ 1g Sd Card Better Than Pixhawk 2.4.8 - Buy Pix4 Autopilot,2.4.6 32 Bit Arm Flight Controller,Rc Toy Parts Flight Controller Rc Four Axis Aircraft Product on Alibaba.com

Pixhawk Pix4 Autopilot 2.4.6 32 Bit Arm Flight Controller Rc Toy Parts W/ 1g Sd Card Better Than Pixhawk 2.4.8 - Buy Pix4 Autopilot,2.4.6 32 Bit Arm Flight Controller,Rc Toy Parts Flight Controller Rc Four Axis Aircraft Product on Alibaba.com
www.alibaba.com www.alibaba.com
only $70 a pop if you buy government drone program quanitites.
then you need your GPS receivers, and if I were doing it I'd grab actual airspeed sensors as well. So it can dead reckon from it's last known position when it drives itself into the GPS jamming area around a city.

I mean, for serious this shit is easy. I can't believe all the people that are surprised that the iranians have effective bomb drones. I make a passable bomb drone in a few weeks, less if I had a blank check and a shah threatening to kill me.
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So, yes, exactly what I'd assumed.

Our stuff is still bound by certification requirements, so it's 15-20 years behind, but we can still replace hundreds of pounds of mechanical gyros with 5lbs of black box. :laughing:
 
MChat said:
Exactly. The only reason we're even involved and it's all over the media is that our corrupt politicians used the CIA to establish the current Ukraine government so that they could launder taxpayer money into their own pockets, and Zelensky has the evidence to bury them. The payments we've been sending to Ukraine for this "war" is blackmail payoffs.
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When Zelensky stops being a useful idiot, his "disappearance" won't be from the Russian side. They LOVE it: it's exposing EVERYONE.
 
I remember there being mentions of little tiny drones that got some little AI type shit ging on where they'll recognize "this is a human face" and fly directly at it

why not do the same with "this is a tank" (or the same 'this is a human')
add on a little explosive charge
bingo bango, self piloted, dump a thousand of them in an area and let them zip around
 
Scott Cee aka 2drx4 said:
Why not? If the tech gets it done you use it.

Expending million dollar missiles to destroy thousand dollar targets is how you lose the economic side of war.

I don't build drones. I prefer the full sized stuff. I can tell you just how simply automated flight is.
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Well, you're not wrong on that, I guess.

But it's not like the other "boogie" man has superior tech that'll be "laughed" at in the press. </sarcasm>

There's a BIG middle ground there.
 
[486] said:
I remember there being mentions of little tiny drones that got some little AI type shit ging on where they'll recognize "this is a human face" and fly directly at it

why not do the same with "this is a tank" (or the same 'this is a human')
add on a little explosive charge
bingo bango, self piloted, dump a thousand of them in an area and let them zip around
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we're certainly deploying that sort of thing in our fancy pants munitions.
 
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