Russia / Ukraine thread

[Yota Up]

What do you think Trump is going to offer Russia to stop the war?

What do you think Russia will accept to stop the war?

1. Russia keeps land it gained.
2. Ukraine will not join NATO for 20 years min.

 

[Redrider]

They're not very good hypersonics if Ukraine was able to shoot them down as they claim.

Yeah you know everything as always. Get your info from true stories from the Pentagon or Ukraine knows best?

 

[Sandy Johnson]

Yeah you know everything as always. Get your info from true stories from the Pentagon or Ukraine knows best?

No insider info this time. My source isn't there any more. Don't really trust what comes out of Zelensky's mouth.

 

[east_beast]

1. Russia keeps land it gained.
2. Ukraine will not join NATO for 20 years min.

Why a 20 year timeframe? Why do we want to keep extending our guarantees of protection? Because let's be real, outside of the original agreement that's all we've been doing. What are all these pissant eastern European countries going to do for us?

 

[Sandy Johnson]

What are all these pissant eastern European countries going to do for us?

Seems really important to Russia to have them NOT join. So that should get some consideration.

 

[BDK]

Influence over a nation, if you think that’s not what’s already happening all the time with international politics I’ve got some ocean front land in Arizona to sell you.

I understand influence, but you stated for money, the US should endorse and allow Russia to rule over Ukraine. I can see staying out of the way, or not getting involved, but making a cash for invasion rights exchange seems a little extreme.

And, there's lots of waterfront property in Arizona. It's just not salty.

 

[Sandy Johnson]

the US should endorse and allow Russia to rule over Ukraine.

Imagine having a foreign country help along regime change in your country just to get a leg up on a competing foreign country, and then that competing foreign country invades you, and you fight them for several years because you don't want to be ruled by them, and then the first meddling foreign country thinks they can just give you to the competing foreign country as a gift because it doesn't want to get involved anymore, so now after all your friends and family dying at their hands, you have to be part of that country anyway. Bet that would be awesome.

 

[Pocahontas]

^ Well Afghanistan worked out for everyone……

 

[east_beast]

Seems really important to Russia to have them NOT join. So that should get some consideration.

Because they're on their border. That's not hard to figure out. How do you honestly think we'd react to our adversaries forming defense alliances with our next door neighbors? The last time it happened it was called the Cuban Missile Crisis.

 

[Sandy Johnson]

Because they're on their border. That's not hard to figure out. How do you honestly think we'd react to our adversaries forming defense alliances with our next door neighbors? The last time it happened it was called the Cuban Missile Crisis.

Why should Russia care if they're part of NATO or not if they have no plans on attacking them

 

[Redrider]

Why should Russia care if they're part of NATO or not if they have no plans on attacking them

NATO is attacking them now. Someone better start backing off. I don't want to find out Russia isn't bluffing.

 

[Sandy Johnson]

NATO is attacking them now.

That's a bit of a stretch.

 

[east_beast]

Why should Russia care if they're part of NATO or not if they have no plans on attacking them

Are you serious? Seriously, imagine our response if Canada or Mexico was trying to enter into a similar arrangement with Russia or China. Fucking pandemonium.

 

[east_beast]

That's a bit of a stretch.

That's exactly what we'd be claiming if Russian supplied munitions were hitting us from a Russian backed country.

 

[Sandy Johnson]

That's exactly what we'd be claiming if Russian supplied munitions were hitting us from a Russian backed country.

Uh.... That's been happening for years has it not? Scuds, AKs, migs, etc.

 

[Sandy Johnson]

Are you serious? Seriously, imagine our response if Canada or Mexico was trying to enter into a similar arrangement with Russia or China. Fucking pandemonium.

You're talking like Ukraine would be the only NATO country sharing a border with Russia. It isn't. Finland, Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia all share a border with Russia and all are NATO members. Why didn't any of them get invaded? What makes Ukraine different? It's got resources that Russia would like to control and they were pissed they lost control of it in the last Ukrainian revolution.

 

[Yota Up]

You're talking like Ukraine would be the only NATO country sharing a border with Russia. It isn't. Finland, Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia all share a border with Russia and all are NATO members. Why didn't any of them get invaded? What makes Ukraine different? It's got resources that Russia would like to control and they were pissed they lost control of it in the last Ukrainian revolution.

Now you're taking us back to when this began.

It's all about the terrain. First 20 pages or so had videos and maps and elevations and break downs. Can't remember which so no link, but hopefully someone else remembers it as well and can say more about it.

 

[Sandy Johnson]

Now you're taking us back to when this began.

It's all about the terrain. First 20 pages or so had videos and maps and elevations and break downs. Can't remember which so no link, but hopefully someone else remembers it as well and can say more about it.

Things have changed. Finland didn't become an member until 2023. Oh and Sweden joined too. All these countries that were on the fence said "fawk that" when they saw what happened with Urkaine.