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Pick an engine, 66 Fairlane edition

I’ll try and hit the highlights for you guys following along. Lot of boring spot weld cutting and grinding but I got the front rails mostly cleaned off last night. Debating how much inner fender I want to keep, but for now I've got enough cleaned up to start locking down the crossmember and front suspension


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posford said:
I've never really like Fairlanes
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Nor did I, and I'm not even sure I do.

I definitely didn't seek this one out. A couple co workers had been passing it around and nobody was doing anything with it. They said hey come get this thing and do something with it. I traded the owner a welder for it. It never really did anything for me until we bolted those torque thrusts on it last weekend. Its starting to grow on me I guess.
 
I really like the 2jz thing. Unique, lots of room for HP with a turbo and cool. I appreciate your posting this. I think I would like to do something similar only with one of my Mopars. Keep it up!
 
Ranchtruck said:
Why polish a heavy turd when you're going clean sheet design and have the option to start with something cool?

Early 90's Taurus SHO motor with a ranger 3.0 rwd trans would be different & interesting. But not the power potential you're looking for.
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Because inline 6's are cool and retro, and would be a lit easier to nake work than a yanaha built engine from a fwd car. Could build for more torque as well
 
D-Rat said:
Because inline 6's are cool and retro, and would be a lit easier to nake work than a yanaha built engine from a fwd car. Could build for more torque as well
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The 300 is a pig. The only way you are going to make any power with it is with shit loads of boost. There is nothing "hot rod" about a 300.
 
arse_sidewards said:
Same goes for any engine with a cylinder head design from 1960-1990
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Yes and no, there are engines made in that period with factory heads with almost double the flow, and aftermarket options for engines of that period with excellent flow. Factory 300 castings aren't going to be very good even with extensive porting and there aren't any aftermarket options for them either. The non-crossflow head design is a fundamental problem with the platform for power production. Sure, you can cut an glue V8 heads together, and while amusing, is stupid.
 
'84 Bronco II said:
Yes and no, there are engines made in that period with factory heads with almost double the flow, and aftermarket options for engines of that period with excellent flow. Factory 300 castings aren't going to be very good even with extensive porting and there aren't any aftermarket options for them either. The non-crossflow head design is a fundamental problem with the platform for power production. Sure, you can cut an glue V8 heads together, and while amusing, is stupid.
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One of the head manufacturers makes a CNC ported one these days. Idk what it flows but I would check out their forums before writing it off. I get that the U flow limits you but with even the slightest boost those problems more or less go right away. (Same goes for most engines with shitty options for getting air in and out).
 
the rocker washers holding the manifolds on are kinda a shitty setup though
 
D-Rat said:
Because inline 6's are cool and retro
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No, they're not. A buick straight 8 would be cool & retro. A ho-hum economy motor who's only selling point was reliability will never be cool. So what if you turbo it, It's just a turbo strapped to a turd. You want people to be interested & impressed when you pop the hood, not mildly amused and wondering why you bothered.

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mjlogan88 said:
Nor did I, and I'm not even sure I do.

I definitely didn't seek this one out. A couple co workers had been passing it around and nobody was doing anything with it. They said hey come get this thing and do something with it. I traded the owner a welder for it. It never really did anything for me until we bolted those torque thrusts on it last weekend. Its starting to grow on me I guess.
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I like them, but I'm partial to them:laughing:

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I figured we'd eventually do the efi 5.0 4r70w, but now I'm thinking a 2jz or big turbo bmw would be badass:laughing:
 
Ranchtruck said:
Why polish a heavy turd when you're going clean sheet design and have the option to start with something cool?

Early 90's Taurus SHO motor with a ranger 3.0 rwd trans would be different & interesting. But not the power potential you're looking for.
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can that be done? That would be pretty cool.. not for this build, but for something. Only problem I can think of is the ranger trans doesnt like shifting at the rpm that sho V6 can do.
 
'84 Bronco II said:
The 300 is a pig. The only way you are going to make any power with it is with shit loads of boost. There is nothing "hot rod" about a 300.
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Find one of those custom Cleveland heads for it, or copy the dude that's putting one together with a LS head.
 
You have the cage. It's obvious. Junior Johnson/Cale Yarbrough 427.
 
I'm still voting V10 and 4R100

You can buy that shit as a takeout from an old truck or van and aftermarket controllers exist. The V10 is very close to the same overall length as the I6s of old that that engine bay was designed to fit (which is why a 6bt Ford is fairly easy whereas basically nobody swaps them into GM products).


Ranchtruck said:
No, they're not. A buick straight 8 would be cool & retro. A ho-hum economy motor who's only selling point was reliability will never be cool. So what if you turbo it, It's just a turbo strapped to a turd. You want people to be interested & impressed when you pop the hood, not mildly amused and wondering why you bothered.

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You're a fucking retard. And I don't use those words lightly.

Everything is cool when it's being force fed air and making 3-4x its OEM horsepower.

Ummduh said:
Find one of those custom Cleveland heads for it, or copy the dude that's putting one together with a LS head.
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Absolutely do not do that.

It is a dumb as fuck waste of time for dumb old men who want to do things the dumb old way. Seriously, the scope of the project is hard to overstate. You will be making custom literally everything. Assuming you have a day job and a good home machine shop so you can in-house everything you will probably take a year or two to do it even if you have no other projects going on in your life. Just the head is a ton of labor and machining. Then you've gotta find a way to run the valves (push-rods will want to be outside the block because V8 geometry). Figure every single "custom" part from manifold to valve cover, etc is a week of evenings assuming you want a good fit and finish. The big stuff like head and valve-train will probably take a month or more.

Don't get me wrong, if someone were making them commercially available I'd buy one but there is literally no point to that kind of project in a world where turbos are cheap. A decently done turbo build is more than capable of getting to the point where the bottom end is in question (which is a respectably high threshold for most I6s because they don't try to rip the block apart like a V8 because they're not two imbalanced I4s cast side by side)
 
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mjlogan88 said:
I’ll try and hit the highlights for you guys following along. Lot of boring spot weld cutting and grinding but I got the front rails mostly cleaned off last night. Debating how much inner fender I want to keep, but for now I've got enough cleaned up to start locking down the crossmember and front suspension


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Better man than me, I'dve probably scum bagged it and went straight axle gasser. :laughing: Not that I overtly love gassers. I'm just lazy.

Although, fenderwell headers wouldve been pimp :grinpimp:
 
arse_sidewards said:
I'm still voting V10 and 4R100

You're a fucking retard. And I don't use those words lightly.

Everything is cool when it's being force fed air and making 3-4x its OEM horsepower

It is a dumb as fuck waste of time for dumb old men who want to do things the dumb old way.
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Anyone who would bother swapping a 300 six into anything but a scrap dumpster is a dumb old man with some twisted belief that "proving" there's potential in that anemic heap of shit is somehow noble. I've sent 2 of them to the shredder this year where they belong. Boring design, ugly to look at, 0 performance considerations, and caveman technology to make a budget motor for customers who just wanted the truck to move, not be fun. Fuck a 300.

We've both been recommending a v10 from the start of this thread, so even you know a 300's not worth bothering with.
 
Unless I get something dropped in my lap, if it gets a mod motor I'll bite the bullet and go for a gen 1 or gen 2 coyote out of a f150 and put a t45 or tr3650 behind it.

Coyote is the direction I'm leaning right now. Even though I love turbos it would be plenty of fun NA for the time being, and that would offset some of the cost.
 
mjlogan88 said:
Unless I get something dropped in my lap, if it gets a mod motor I'll bite the bullet and go for a gen 1 or gen 2 coyote out of a f150 and put a t45 or tr3650 behind it.

Coyote is the direction I'm leaning right now. Even though I love turbos it would be plenty of fun NA for the time being, and that would offset some of the cost.
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Looks reasonable

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420hp stock, manual tranny and cheap 15s would be a lot of smiles per gallon:usa:
 
They make those drop on super charger kits for like 700hp. Seems like it would be easier than turbos.
Plus you get whhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwnnnnnn when you hammer it.
 
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420hp stock, manual tranny and cheap 15s would be a lot of smiles per gallon:usa:
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That's not too bad for an engine/trans combo

I'm finding F150 engines alone for around $3k or so

Still a tough pill for my cheap ass to swallow
 
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