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Pick an engine, 66 Fairlane edition

If you go v8 these can be had cheap.

4.5L 32v from an infinity q45. forged bottom end 6900 factory rev limit.

I popped the hood on one at a junkyard years ago, dismissed the car completely because of the intake. I thought it was a transverse engine. :homer:

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I don’t have YouTuber money so the barra with sequential or 8k worth of gogira probably ain’t happening. 460 doesn’t marry up to a stick shift I don’t think, not one that I’d want in a car anyway.

I’m not trying to be picky slamming any of these ideas, I do appreciate the input.

Here’s some of my painfully slow progress. Even busted out the tig for the ol score-brake-weld forming technique. Rough draft CAD for the strut plates



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mjlogan88 said:
460 doesn’t marry up to a stick shift I don’t think,
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429's could be had with a manual in the early 70's (Torino, Mustang etc.). Bellhousings are rare though. External balance 460's in 80's trucks had separate bellhousings before going to the unified transmissions. These bells are deeper than earlier ones to clear the flywheel balance weight. NP435 or T-18 have the same pattern as a passenger car toploader 4 speed.
The trick for the early neutral balance 460 is to use an FE flywheel and bellhousing from a 400. Need to use a diaphragm pressure plate as the bell is too shallow for an FE 3 finger style. Starter engagement can be a little finicky though. L&L makes a custom flywheel to work with the 400 bell.
 
Quick & Dirty said:
429's could be had with a manual in the early 70's (Torino, Mustang etc.). Bellhousings are rare though. External balance 460's in 80's trucks had separate bellhousings before going to the unified transmissions. These bells are deeper than earlier ones to clear the flywheel balance weight. NP435 or T-18 have the same pattern as a passenger car toploader 4 speed.
The trick for the early neutral balance 460 is to use an FE flywheel and bellhousing from a 400. Need to use a diaphragm pressure plate as the bell is too shallow for an FE 3 finger style. Starter engagement can be a little finicky though. L&L makes a custom flywheel to work with the 400 bell.
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Is the bell actually deeper over all or is it just shaped different?

I thought both the big block and smallblock had the same stickout? Smallblock bell depth never changed? Wouldn't that mean you can use an 80s truck bell?
 
The external balance 460 flywheel is thicker to add room for the balance weight. The pilot bearing is different as well. The bell is deeper but works with the same input shaft length.
Early bellhousings are 6-1/4". 80's truck 460 bellhousings are 6-3/4".
 
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Quick & Dirty said:
429's could be had with a manual in the early 70's (Torino, Mustang etc.). Bellhousings are rare though. External balance 460's in 80's trucks had separate bellhousings before going to the unified transmissions. These bells are deeper than earlier ones to clear the flywheel balance weight. NP435 or T-18 have the same pattern as a passenger car toploader 4 speed.
The trick for the early neutral balance 460 is to use an FE flywheel and bellhousing from a 400. Need to use a diaphragm pressure plate as the bell is too shallow for an FE 3 finger style. Starter engagement can be a little finicky though. L&L makes a custom flywheel to work with the 400 bell.
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Thats some good info. IIRC the SBF trucks got hydraulic clutches in 84? Did the BBF trucks get the hydraulic setup? I've never seen one. I'm talking T18/19, I know the ZF5 had hydraulic clutches but that wasn't until like 90, I think?
 
E4TA bellhousing, 460 external balance, 180 tooth flywheel. Aluminum with hydraulic clutch cylinder mount. 1/2" longer than earlier bells.
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D7TA, 351M/400, 180 tooth flywheel, cast iron.
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D9TA, 351M/400, cast iron, 180 tooth flywheel. Same as D7TA except spherical fork pivot.
C9AA, 429 passenger car, cast iron, 176 tooth flywheel.
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The hard part is finding a not-truck manual transmission that will hold up to a 460. The old 4 speed toploaders are expensive, if you can find one. Especially the close ratio 1-3/8" input transmission that came behind the 429's. Tremec TKO is a viable option. Also expensive, and most come with a T5 style input shaft that is longer than the toploader ones. Toploader style inputs used to be available custom order, not sure if they still are.
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Quick & Dirty said:
The hard part is finding a not-truck manual transmission that will hold up to a 460. The old 4 speed toploaders are expensive, if you can find one.
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I'd look into new production aftermarket 5/6 speed stuff at that point. Some of the tremec stuff is decently priced.

Quick & Dirty said:
Especially the close ratio 1-3/8" input transmission that came behind the 429's.
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Do those use the same bell (and therefore fork geometry) as all the other 1-1/16 stuff?
 
The bell is the same geometry, the fork has a wider opening for the bigger throwout bearing.
'79 400 fork vs '69 429

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Also closeup of '79 pivot ball.
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Go for your #2 pic, H3 Manual trans should bolt up, tailhousing? guys in the sky soltice thread says they have H3 trans so maybe?

you'll also maybe want to cut & extend a 4 cyl oil pan as the 6 cyl pan is retarded with the axle shaft pass through.
 
Jamming on some house projects right now. Got some parts stacked for the rear suspension. Getting back on it soon.
 
200hp boat motor with some manner of forced induction since in a car it doesn't need to live at 100% duty cycle like a boat motor does
 
mjlogan88 said:
Still haven’t picked up an engine

But I did roll it out of the garage. Yeah I know shoulda done the torque thrusts but I had these on hand
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Well done:beer:

That thing is begging for a high rpm small cid engine and a dog ring 4 speed.
 
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200hp boat motor with some manner of forced induction since in a car it doesn't need to live at 100% duty cycle like a boat motor does
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The coolness begins/ends at opening the hood and showing people and 99.9% of them won't even be able to appreciate the work you needed to do to pull that off.

Fuck that sort of project sooooo much. You have to fabricate literally everything but the shortblock, intake and heads and for what? 200hp? 500hp It's just fabricator dick waving.

And I say this as someone who's on version three of a cardboard CAD oil pan for a mercury 3.7 (because flat bottom no baffle boat oil pans are absolute dog shit in cars) which is an engine that at least uses car parts for everything but the block/crank/accessory drive.
 
Levigarrett76 said:
Bump:smokin:
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Damn you depressing me. Snowballed house remodel is stealing all its time.

Got the explorer 8.8 in it. Last thing I worked on was doing some rear frame reinforcement and fuel cell mounting.

Really haven’t touched it since march. Once I wrap the kitchen up I’ll pick up an engine
 
mjlogan88 said:
Damn you depressing me. Snowballed house remodel is stealing all its time.

Got the explorer 8.8 in it. Last thing I worked on was doing some rear frame reinforcement and fuel cell mounting.

Really haven’t touched it since march. Once I wrap the kitchen up I’ll pick up an engine
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Whatcha leaning towards these days?
 
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