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Mikenike said:
Or you could start with 450+ horse that doesn't need cams and heads and a full rebuild to make the same power. Fuel injection. Easily adapted a/c. At the end of the day the coyote is a better motor for way less effort. And like I said old man or boomer at heart or whatever. Always talking about muh horsetorques. After a certain point gor a cruiser on the street it is pointless. And pound for pound the coyote is a better engine on the street anyday. I literally just went through this with the camaro in my avatar. I wanted an old school big block. So I spent 35k on stuffing in a 505ci with efi. And you know what I learned? That as cliche as it is and i hate it I would have been money ahead to use an ls. Hate it all you want. Overhead cams is the future and it has been since the overhead cam 427 fords in the 60s. Ford knew it then and they know it know:flipoff2:
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What is a horsetorques?:flipoff2:
 
What heads to put on a 460 for 600 hp?
Not being a prick, curious.

Old gen shit has not gotten cheaper in my research.
 
CarterKraft said:
What heads to put on a 460 for 600 hp?
Not being a prick, curious.

Old gen shit has not gotten cheaper in my research.
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11-1 slugs, big roller and heads from Kaase.That will put it north of 650HP. You can get 500 with big edelbrock heads and a large roller cam.
 
CarterKraft said:
What heads to put on a 460 for 600 hp?
Not being a prick, curious.

Old gen shit has not gotten cheaper in my research.
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edelbrock / speedmaster will get you mid 500's with flat tappet cam and at least 9:1, near 600 if you want really radical

Hell you can make 600+ with max effort ported iron non CJ

Trick Flow 290's will get you to 600+ easy

AFR, SR71 & P51 will take you to near 1000 depending on how radical you live with (they more designed for strokers) P51 kind of out dated now


I stole this from 460ford.com

"At 466 inches the SR heads, while really good pieces, are inappropriate and are in a word. Overkill.
AFR 280's are fine as are pocket ported SCJ's or P-51's.

AFR heads come in 3 port sizes / cross sections. The largest good for 800 to 900 hp on a pump gas stroker. Easily over 1000 on race gas.

Every AFR headed combo we've built that had a prior P-51 itineration the AFR heads made better power.

The SR's are from what I can gather a bit better than the AFR 315's. Jon K did a fine job again updating the platform.

The AFR Dommy intake certainly needs plenum work as it is sized and designed as a compromise for smaller engines.

In the end it all comes down to port cross section vs displacement and rpm range. It is very easy to make 600+ hp at 466 inches, 10.5 to 1 static compression and modest cam timing."

If you think about it, the new 7.3 430 net hp gas, dyno'd the same way as we are talking above (gross, no acc., headers etc) will be well over 500
 
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Levigarrett76 said:
edelbrock / speedmaster will get you mid 500's with flat tappet cam and at least 9:1, near 600 if you want really radical

Hell you can make 600+ with max effort ported iron non CJ

Trick Flow 290's will get you to 600+ easy

AFR, SR71 & P51 will take you to near 1000 depending on how radical you live with (they more designed for strokers) P51 kind of out dated now


I stole this from 460ford.com

"At 466 inches the SR heads, while really good pieces, are inappropriate and are in a word. Overkill.
AFR 280's are fine as are pocket ported SCJ's or P-51's.

AFR heads come in 3 port sizes / cross sections. The largest good for 800 to 900 hp on a pump gas stroker. Easily over 1000 on race gas.

Every AFR headed combo we've built that had a prior P-51 itineration the AFR heads made better power.

The SR's are from what I can gather a bit better than the AFR 315's. Jon K did a fine job again updating the platform.

The AFR Dommy intake certainly needs plenum work as it is sized and designed as a compromise for smaller engines.

In the end it all comes down to port cross section vs displacement and rpm range. It is very easy to make 600+ hp at 466 inches, 10.5 to 1 static compression and modest cam timing."

If you think about it, the new 7.3 430 net hp gas, dyno'd the same way as we are talking above (gross, no acc., headers etc) will be well over 500
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Man, what a boat anchor:flipoff2:
 
Ummduh said:
Man, what a boat anchor:flipoff2:
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But those heads/valvetrain are all $$$$ are they not?

I never doubt the ability of high zoot early engines, it's the spending the same amount of cash for "less" I have a problem with.
 
the more i think about it, a 7.3 with a cam would be pretty awesome. nice and mostly factory shit. motor and trans pull outs go for 7k.
 
gunracer1 said:
the more i think about it, a 7.3 with a cam would be pretty awesome. nice and mostly factory shit. motor and trans pull outs go for 7k.
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Would also fit better i would guess. A fairlane is a surprisingly narrow engine compartment for what it is.
 
CarterKraft said:
But those heads/valvetrain are all $$$$ are they not?

I never doubt the ability of high zoot early engines, it's the spending the same amount of cash for "less" I have a problem with.
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Depends on what you want to do with it. Yea if you want to turn 8k rpm+ none of that stuff is going to be cheap. If 6500ish is good with you then normie parts will get the job done no problem.

And, iirc, the p51s, the rockers come with the heads
 
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CarterKraft said:
What heads to put on a 460 for 600 hp?
Not being a prick, curious.

Old gen shit has not gotten cheaper in my research.
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This video is a series of 460 combinations for various hp levels. They got 609 hp with ported factory C8VE heads and a big flat tappet cam (264/268° .638" lift 110 LSA). Same engine made 573hp with a milder hyd cam (236/240° .556/.563" 110LSA) and smaller carb.
I think the 600hp is past the practical limit for factory heads given how much more cam was needed to gain 36 hp.

 
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Having owned a couple of vehicles with coyote motors...that is the answer. Wide AF because the CAMs on top. Most fun V8 I've driven...rev's so quickly.
 
Quick & Dirty said:
This video is a series of 460 combinations for various hp levels. They got 609 hp with ported factory C8VE heads and a big flat tappet cam (264/268° .638" lift 110 LSA). Same engine made 573hp with a milder hyd cam (236/240° .556/.563" 110LSA) and smaller carb.

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He drive me nuts where he keeps referring to it being a rebuilt "high compression" 460. Those are builder 22cc dish pistons, the factory style flat tops with valve reliefs are long gone. So its low 9's, not the factory 10.5:1 (except the end 600hp build with flat tops)
 
Levigarrett76 said:
He drive me nuts where he keeps referring to it being a rebuilt "high compression" 460. Those are builder 22cc dish pistons, the factory style flat tops with valve reliefs are long gone. So its low 9's, not the factory 10.5:1 (except the end 600hp build with flat tops)
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Still better than that power block 460 build, they screwed the pooch in that one hard. Missed every single power point. Just threw money at it with no thoughts
 
mjlogan88 said:
Well I haven't made a decision yet but fortunately I've got a bunch of stuff to do first

I'll throw in some build pics so you can all point, laugh, and tell me I'm doing it wrong

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info on your tubing bender?
 
SLOWPOKE693 said:
I would have never thought of doing that but as soon as I saw it I was all :homer:. That's a very cool idea for a budget bender build.
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Worked way better than I thought. If I did it again I’d use a sidewinder jack with higher capacity. This one works fine swinging a small breaker bar but with a little more reduction a drill would spin it doing 1.75 .120

That setup has bent a ton of tube over the years. Makes for very repeatable bends since you can take measurements off the jack
 
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