Even though I have vehicle ADD I’m not worried about resale. I’m going to ruin it for my personal enjoyment
Why does it have to be a stroker? How about hitting a bone stock truck 351W with a 78/75 turbo?
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Why does it have to be a stroker? How about hitting a bone stock truck 351W with a 78/75 turbo?
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ugh, that guy again?
why 408? because when you're using someone else's money to print numbers on a screen it's always fun to waste as much money as possible
just as the turbo nearly eliminates cylinder head flow concerns it also reduces any concern as to the swept volume, the only concern is relative mechanical strength which increasing the displacement without changing anything else usually handicaps that nebulous statistic. See; 400 sbc motors and their extreme fragility
iirc mexican 351 blocks are a li'l heavier and hold up a li'l better, but I still see absolutely no reason for going with the ford generiv8 over the chevy generiv8 though
all that in mind if you've gotta put a bunch of extra work into putting something "v-8" in it, I'd go for a small displacement big block like a 360 mopar or maybe one of those 370 fords, 396 chevy because their 366 has big heavy pistons that'll probably break rod bolts, lots of iron and not much internal volume, perfect for squirting head gaskets out rather than breaking internals
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370 Ford would be cool. I bet with tuning it will put down blown 460 numbers just at higher RPM. The bore is smaller than anything else 385 so you get stupid thick cylinder walls and the crank has tons of overlap journal to journal. Probably need to throw a bottom end girdle at it or something.
I think 351M or 400M might also be a good choice if you're going that route because the snail will alleviate all the breathing problems that keep people from building those engines.
[486]
ugh, that guy again?
but they're such oddball pieces of shit (again like the 400sbc) where the medium duty truck engines usually have a lot of high-po overlap in parts and experience
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The 351M is just a Cleveland that’s been revised for emissions. I agree the 400 is pushing it in terms of displacement for that block. I wouldn’t call them odd. They made fucktons of both.
There really isn’t much special about the medium truck Ford engines beyond the mid 70s when they stopped making the truck FEs and forged crank 300s. Theres little shit like valves and manifolds.
It was a loaded question, I already know my answer.
Internal engine work, especially performance oriented, just isn’t fun for me. Of all my friends that are into car shit I’ve got one that has built a performance engine rods/stroker/cam/$heads and had a long happy life out of it
I’ve got a buddy with a 331sbf in a fox that just got money shifted and valves hit pistons. He’s in a miserable downward spiral of cylinder head repair, custom pistons etc to get it back running. That is my nightmare
Some of you followed my last project. That went exactly to plan and was a ton of fun. Generic whatever engine, don’t even take the valve cover off, have fun mounting it in the chassis. Plumb it, wire it, and gratifying incremental gains behind the laptop. Enjoyable project, enjoyable to work on, and not stressful if I make a mistake. That’s what I’m after
[486]
ugh, that guy again?
K series AWD honda CRV drivetrain because manuals are much more common than ford or chevy v6 awd shitboxes
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Doesn’t have to be a stroker , but like 486 said it’s not my money 😂
If you’re really wanting forced induction on a stock platform and not an LS I would go mod motor Ford .
I am about to pull a bone stock 1982 302 out of my F100 that runs perfectly fine and has good oil pressure etc if you wanted it to build or toss right in .
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shortbus4x4
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You're doing it wrong. Needs more triangulation!
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Displacement matters, even in a boosted application. More displacement will make a given turbo spool up faster which makes it much more responsive for street driving, or alternatively, more displacement will allow you to spool an even larger turbo at a reasonable RPM. However, I fully agree that the return on HP/$ is much better with boost than internal mods. That said though, boost multiplies any gains naturally aspirated, so a stroker will have much bigger horsepower gains with forced induction than naturally aspirated
Tall deck windsors are a lot stronger than short deck Windsors and not particularly fragile for realistic street power. Richard Holdener got 1,047HP and 1,030ish FtLbs. @ 23PSI out of a stock junkyard 351 bottom end with some ring gap.
Even the worst 335 series heads are better than the best factory Windsor heads, so I wouldn't say they have a breathing problem. The closed chamber 4V heads flow as good or better than some aftermarket Windsor heads.
Not really oddball, Ford just didn't use the tall deck 335 engines in performance applications, so they never got much popularity with the hotrodding crowd. The 351M and 400 are essentially tall deck clevelands.
The 351M is a destroked 400. It has the 10.3" deck height like the 400, not 9.2" like the Cleveland. When I looked into it someone had a ~434ci stroker kit for the 400/351M. People build 408 Windsors regularly with a 9.5" deck height, so I see no reason to think a 400 is near it's limit considering it has an extra .8" of deck height.
A built 400 would be
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A built 400 would be
Heavy though.
9.5 deck sbf, call it whatever displacement you like (maybe make up a bunch of different badges and just change them when you're feeling like you want something different), and put a turbo or centri on it.
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How much money you wanna spend on the motor ?
Its easier and more fun to cage it than it is to fix rust so it doesnt break in half
Most I'd want to spend on the base engine/trans is ~$2k
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Displacement matters, even in a boosted application. More displacement will make a given turbo spool up faster which makes it much more responsive for street driving, or alternatively, more displacement will allow you to spool an even larger turbo at a reasonable RPM. However, I fully agree that the return on HP/$ is much better with boost than internal mods. That said though, boost multiplies any gains naturally aspirated, so a stroker will have much bigger horsepower gains with forced induction than naturally aspirated
Tall deck windsors are a lot stronger than short deck Windsors and not particularly fragile for realistic street power. Richard Holdener got 1,047HP and 1,030ish FtLbs. @ 23PSI out of a stock junkyard 351 bottom end with some ring gap.
Even the worst 335 series heads are better than the best factory Windsor heads, so I wouldn't say they have a breathing problem. The closed chamber 4V heads flow as good or better than some aftermarket Windsor heads.
Not really oddball, Ford just didn't use the tall deck 335 engines in performance applications, so they never got much popularity with the hotrodding crowd. The 351M and 400 are essentially tall deck clevelands.
The 351M is a destroked 400. It has the 10.3" deck height like the 400, not 9.2" like the Cleveland. When I looked into it someone had a ~434ci stroker kit for the 400/351M. People build 408 Windsors regularly with a 9.5" deck height, so I see no reason to think a 400 is near it's limit considering it has an extra .8" of deck height.
A built 400 would be
I agree. Most of the early 351W discount stroker kits were using 400M crankshafts with offset ground crank pins (using 3.8L Chrysler connecting rods). Other than the 400M heads being utter dogshit, the BBF bellhousing and the ever-present Cleveland oiling problem it would be an interesting science project.
When you price it all out whether it's a Windsor, Cleveland or 335 series I don't see any of these being able to compete dollar for dollar with a Coyote or a Godzilla.
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In soup nazi voice : “ no turbo for YOU !”
$2k might get ya a decent mustang 302 and five speed .
Or a 351 roller cam from a Econoline van .
One of the bronco places sells an adapter to use the mustang upper intake on the 351 lower so it’s a lot shorter and will fit under most hoods
The truck upper intake is really tall
Why not? On my last build I was in $350 for the base engine/trans and it took 10 psi like a champ. I'm not talking about all the ancillaries like bigger injectors, ecu, turbo, etc just the long block and trans
I'm not worried about intakes fitting, I like aluminum fab projects
Only thing I don't like about the 300 is the non-crossflow head and the height will probably make it a headache
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If you don't run an EFI intake it's no taller than a V8 because the carb sits beside the valve cover instead of on top.
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Another + whatever for the 300 with a snail.
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One no one has mentioned yet is the Ford "Boss" 6.2L from F150s and Superduties. There is a guy who put one in a Fox Mustang and runs 9s NA: Raptor Engine
I imagine they go pretty cheap since no one else is swapping them into anything and they've been around for over 10 years now. They use a mod bellhousing pattern, so plenty of tranny options.
I imagine they go pretty cheap since no one else is swapping them into anything and they've been around for over 10 years now. They use a mod bellhousing pattern, so plenty of tranny options.
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I'm actually really interested in the 6.2 superduty engine. I can't find any on marketplace and they are expensive via LKQ. Those engines and trucks seem to last a really long time so there aren't many donors out there
TrikeKid
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6.2 seems to work well for these guys
Projectjunkie
Whatever
6.2 is a tough motor for sure
A Junkyard oddball power to weight contender is the Lincoln mark 8. Slightly detuned cobra 32v 4.6 with 4r70w aluminum block 305hp iirc
It's also a midsized car and could potentially give up the front and rear clips for modern suspension and brakes
They are $500 broken down and 2k running driving cars
Looks like track width is very similar as well
A Junkyard oddball power to weight contender is the Lincoln mark 8. Slightly detuned cobra 32v 4.6 with 4r70w aluminum block 305hp iirc
It's also a midsized car and could potentially give up the front and rear clips for modern suspension and brakes
They are $500 broken down and 2k running driving cars
Looks like track width is very similar as well
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My explorer 5.0 is taking 12 psi with no complaints. It was a $600 running vehicle.
I bought a $75 mustang take out cam and a $50 mustang return style fuel rail for it. Put a timing chain, rear main seal and oil pan/intake gaskets in it. haven't taken the heads off or looked at bearings. 200k miles, doesn't burn a drop of oil. I turn it 6200 rpm and I'm a terrible tuner.
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lincoln aviators also got the 4v 4.6 mod motor and are cheap as chips.
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don't know what you'd do for a rwd trans though since I'm pretty sure they were all AWD.
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don't know what you'd do for a rwd trans though since I'm pretty sure they were all AWD.