New Ford Duallys are 6+ months out?

[brantb]

How X-Plan Pricing Is Calculated: Invoice - 0.4% + $275 program fee

I got that, but its not like the builder on fords website tells you invoice price. If you already have a code ford has a site you can build it out and it will tell you. GM has that site open to anyone to do a build.

I sent an email off to HR to see if i qualify and going to give a few local dealers a call to see if any of them will actually honor the x-plan still. Most dealers in the denver metro area have the mentality that they dont have to discount anything because if I dont buy it, someone else will for full price or over MSRP. It isnt wrong, but irritating. This will probably be like the past vehicles i have purchased while living here where i just fly to some random dealer and drive home.

 

[Wheelerfreak]

If you hold enough Ford stock, you can qualify for the x plan.

This^^. My wife has a bunch of Ford stock. I believe the minimum is 100 shares.

I bought mine from a dealer selling at 2% under invoice so it worked out better. Especially since my local dealer didn’t want to honor X plan.

 

[CarterKraft]

Based on what i just read, i might qualify for the xplan. Apparently if you are contracted to a company who is on the xplan list you qualify which is my case. It would be nice if i could figure out the xplan price on my own, but looks like i will be calling a couple dealers after work and see what they say.

I thought they stopped discount plans?

 

[CarterKraft]

If you hold enough Ford stock, you can qualify for the x plan.

This^^. My wife has a bunch of Ford stock. I believe the minimum is 100 shares.

I bought mine from a dealer selling at 2% under invoice so it worked out better. Especially since my local dealer didn’t want to honor X plan.

I think that method was stopped too.

However, as of June 1st, 2022, that will no longer be the case as the Ford shareholder vehicle discount program is now set to end. The program was originally created with the intention of putting shareholders behind the wheel of new Blue Oval vehicles at pre-determined prices, but that will soon no longer be the case.May 26, 2022

That is how I bought this truck applied for the stock based X plan pin and called a few dealers to ask about ordering a truck at that price.
This dealer was the first that agreed.
I also tried that same method at the Lincoln dealers to order a Aviator and could not make it happen. They would order one but would not even quote a price.

 

[rockota]

I think that method was stopped too.


That is how I bought this truck applied for the stock based X plan pin and called a few dealers to ask about ordering a truck at that price.
This dealer was the first that agreed.
I also tried that same method at the Lincoln dealers to order a Aviator and could not make it happen. They would order one but would not even quote a price.

Not all dealers participate... IIRC, says so right in the X plan language.

 

[Wheelerfreak]

I ordered my 22 back last thanksgiving and got it before they changed anything I guess, picked it up in June. The dealer I ordered at under invoice from said they plan on doing the same on ‘23 orders once the order banks open.

 

[CarterKraft]

I ordered my 22 back last thanksgiving and got it before they changed anything I guess, picked it up in June. The dealer I ordered at under invoice from said they plan on doing the same on ‘23 orders once the order banks open.

Yeah they can still deal if they want but the formal X plan was discontinued.

 

[brantb]

I called quite a few ford dealers and none of them would do x-plan pricing. They said they wouldnt add to MSRP.

Then called around to chevy dealers until one said they would honor employee pricing. Sent them the build i want and they said they would expect 4-7 months which is fine. I dont need it until early June of 2023. I do think i am going to call a few other dealers and put in a few orders and the first one that shows up i will pick up.

 

[Howdy]

I called quite a few ford dealers and none of them would do x-plan pricing. They said they wouldnt add to MSRP.

Then called around to chevy dealers until one said they would honor employee pricing. Sent them the build i want and they said they would expect 4-7 months which is fine. I dont need it until early June of 2023. I do think i am going to call a few other dealers and put in a few orders and the first one that shows up i will pick up.

Since you are in CO, head to Granger Ford in IA and order/purchase a Ford for 2% below invoice. They are expected to continue the 2% below invoice on the 2023 Super Dutys. The '23 order window is supposed to open somewhere around Oct 17th. Sounds like the '23 run is going to be a short one so Ford can get back on more normal build cycle instead of how is it like now, cranking out '22 orders in October and November.

 

[Aggie06]

I think that method was stopped too.


That is how I bought this truck applied for the stock based X plan pin and called a few dealers to ask about ordering a truck at that price.
This dealer was the first that agreed.
I also tried that same method at the Lincoln dealers to order a Aviator and could not make it happen. They would order one but would not even quote a price.

It might have, I was holding ford stock circa 2017 or 18, but sold it, which was probably dumb.

 

[brantb]

Since you are in CO, head to Granger Ford in IA and order/purchase a Ford for 2% below invoice. They are expected to continue the 2% below invoice on the 2023 Super Dutys. The '23 order window is supposed to open somewhere around Oct 17th. Sounds like the '23 run is going to be a short one so Ford can get back on more normal build cycle instead of how is it like now, cranking out '22 orders in October and November.

Thanks. I will be giving them a call this afternoon.

 

[rockota]

Not all dealers participate... IIRC, says so right in the X plan language.

EDIT: just checked our company benefits/discount sites... X Plan no longer listed.

 

[brantb]

Granger Ford in IA is selling 23s at invoice. They have 90 allocations and 100 people on the waitlist already.

 

[CarterKraft]

And It appears the truck will have massaging seats, the trucks built May-September did not.

 

[brantb]

Those with the 7.3, any regrets not getting the 6.7? I am on the waitlist at granger so if my number gets pulled i will order a 350 with the 7.3 since it is still rated to pull 21k with 4.30 gears and 10k cheaper. I will either be pulling a 3-4k boat or a gooseneck ranging from 10-20k or if I BDL it might hit 25k but that would be very rare or never. I will be leaving CO and going back to 800ish feet elevation so no mountain passes anymore.

 

[Wheelerfreak]

Those with the 7.3, any regrets not getting the 6.7? I am on the waitlist at granger so if my number gets pulled i will order a 350 with the 7.3 since it is still rated to pull 21k with 4.30 gears and 10k cheaper. I will either be pulling a 3-4k boat or a gooseneck ranging from 10-20k or if I BDL it might hit 25k but that would be very rare or never. I will be leaving CO and going back to 800ish feet elevation so no mountain passes anymore.

I just got a 7.3 with 4.30's from Granger about 2 months ago. No regrets so far, all I've towed so far is my '73 Bronco on a 18' Big Tex trailer. It got about 9 MPG doing that, but it was at 6k-8k elevations in the mountains. On the drive back from Granger I got 14-15 MPG on the highways unloaded. I hauled a full IBC tote of water, genny, cement mixer, and tools in the bed and it handled fine and had plenty of power with all that in the bed.

 

[CarterKraft]

It's hard to tell but it looks like the 7.3 resale is holding up.

 

[1oddtech]

The X-plan site is still working and the dealership that I bought my truck from said they are still accepting it.

 

[gunracer1]

Those with the 7.3, any regrets not getting the 6.7? I am on the waitlist at granger so if my number gets pulled i will order a 350 with the 7.3 since it is still rated to pull 21k with 4.30 gears and 10k cheaper. I will either be pulling a 3-4k boat or a gooseneck ranging from 10-20k or if I BDL it might hit 25k but that would be very rare or never. I will be leaving CO and going back to 800ish feet elevation so no mountain passes anymore.

i have a 7.3 with 3;73 gears, i can't see a need for the 4;30s. i have grossed over 26k a couple of times, power is not the problem. i usually just lock out 8th 9th and 10 gear and roll on. the first gear is pretty low on the trans so getting a big load going is not a problem, i would not order 4;30s unless i was planning on a set of 37 or 38" tires. there is my 2 cents

 

[JR4X]

EDIT: just checked our company benefits/discount sites... X Plan no longer listed.

That’s good info. I thought it was a to good to be true thing in the first place so not surprised that they’d take it away.

I used an X plan number to buy a new truck in 2014. It knocked 8,000 off the window price. When I walked into the dealership I was already braced for it to be some stupid coupon type nightmare but it didn’t make anything more difficult. Just took the bullshit rebate thing off the table.

 

[JR4X]

I test drove a 22 CC/SB with the 7.3 and 4.30 gears with 35’s on it. I wasn’t blown away by anything but I didn’t get to tow anything. Probably feels like meh because of dork management. It’s averaging 13 mpg with a slight lift 35’s and 4.30’s. If I were buying one I wouldn’t want 3.73’s, with 3 overdrives and 10th being steep the rpm’s are plenty low still.

i have a 7.3 with 3;73 gears, i can't see a need for the 4;30s. i have grossed over 26k a couple of times, power is not the problem. i usually just lock out 8th 9th and 10 gear and roll on. the first gear is pretty low on the trans so getting a big load going is not a problem, i would not order 4;30s unless i was planning on a set of 37 or 38" tires. there is my 2 cents

 

[Wheelerfreak]

If I were buying one I wouldn’t want 3.73’s, with 3 overdrives and 10th being steep the rpm’s are plenty low still.

I’m only at 2100RPM at 76mph with 4.30 gears and stock tires.

 

[gunracer1]

 

[gunracer1]

3:73s single wheel which is basically a 35 for tires.

 

[CarterKraft]

3:73s single wheel which is basically a 35 for tires.

Yeah I was going to add the 20" stock tire/wheel is pretty large, 34"+ if I remember correctly.
But if you need a dually the tire is quite a bit shorter. Just stuff to consider.

My buddy that sold his '22 had 37's on it and didn't like the hunting from the 3.55 gears, which he should have ordered 4.10s with the intent of putting that big of tires on it.

 

[JR4X]

Thread highjack but kind of pertinent to the OP. Does anyone know what’s up with 6.7 PSD’s blowing up and needing replaced/warrantied?

I was at the parts counter at the Ford dealership getting a new sensor for my old truck when an acquaintance walked in to check on something. Dude owns a towing company and one of his rollbacks is a 550 with a bad engine. He’s been waiting for a warranty engine for over 6 months already. He wanted to where this truck is in line. Parts counter dude pulls up the info and tells customer he’s 641 in line for a replacement 6.7 long block exchange. Dude asked how many engines a day Ford is getting built. Counter jockey said he couldn’t say for sure but his guess was single to barely double digit. That’s countrywide. But think about that number. Dudes work truck has already been down 6 months, and looking at months more before they even start on the warranty engine swap. I don’t know how that compares to other years for engine failures but as someone who’s been shopping for a new 6.7 that sounds all my alarm bells. WTF is happening to so many 6.7 PSD’s?

Of course counter guys just said Covid and national shortages about 50 times. Told dude that he’s just going to have to understand it’s out of their control.

 

[arse_sidewards]

Thread highjack but kind of pertinent to the OP. Does anyone know what’s up with 6.7 PSD’s blowing up and needing replaced/warrantied?

I was at the parts counter at the Ford dealership getting a new sensor for my old truck when an acquaintance walked in to check on something. Dude owns a towing company and one of his rollbacks is a 550 with a bad engine. He’s been waiting for a warranty engine for over 6 months already. He wanted to where this truck is in line. Parts counter dude pulls up the info and tells customer he’s 641 in line for a replacement 6.7 long block exchange. Dude asked how many engines a day Ford is getting built. Counter jockey said he couldn’t say for sure but his guess was single to barely double digit. That’s countrywide. But think about that number. Dudes work truck has already been down 6 months, and looking at months more before they even start on the warranty engine swap. I don’t know how that compares to other years for engine failures but as someone who’s been shopping for a new 6.7 that sounds all my alarm bells. WTF is happening to so many 6.7 PSD’s?

Of course counter guys just said Covid and national shortages about 50 times. Told dude that he’s just going to have to understand it’s out of their control.

Now is a really great time to be running a fleet of old junk that can draw on god the multitude of warehouses with inventories of NOS and aftermarket parts that have been built up over the years.

Rebuild on an old 429 or 454 probably still comes in under 2k and 2wk.

 

[DRTDEVL]

Thread highjack but kind of pertinent to the OP. Does anyone know what’s up with 6.7 PSD’s blowing up and needing replaced/warrantied?

I was at the parts counter at the Ford dealership getting a new sensor for my old truck when an acquaintance walked in to check on something. Dude owns a towing company and one of his rollbacks is a 550 with a bad engine. He’s been waiting for a warranty engine for over 6 months already. He wanted to where this truck is in line. Parts counter dude pulls up the info and tells customer he’s 641 in line for a replacement 6.7 long block exchange. Dude asked how many engines a day Ford is getting built. Counter jockey said he couldn’t say for sure but his guess was single to barely double digit. That’s countrywide. But think about that number. Dudes work truck has already been down 6 months, and looking at months more before they even start on the warranty engine swap. I don’t know how that compares to other years for engine failures but as someone who’s been shopping for a new 6.7 that sounds all my alarm bells. WTF is happening to so many 6.7 PSD’s?

Of course counter guys just said Covid and national shortages about 50 times. Told dude that he’s just going to have to understand it’s out of their control.

Its not an inherent flaw, its now the age of the platform. Its been in-service for 12 years, and commercial guys are reaching the end of the lifespans of the engines every day. With the lack of new replacements available, they must purchase engines to keep their fleets running. This depletes the retail supply of remanufactured engines, and only after retail orders are filled will Ford "sell" a warranty engine (they don't make money there) to themselves.

At least that's my theory.

 

[Ghetto Fab.]

TParts counter dude pulls up the info and tells customer he’s 641 in line for a replacement 6.7 long block exchange. Dude asked how many engines a day Ford is getting built. Counter jockey said he couldn’t say for sure but his guess was single to barely double digit. That’s countrywide.

Seems fairly normal to me for a ford. But, really, that number (641) doesn't seem that high for the whole nation. Does that number also include canada? 641 failures out of how many hundreds of thousands of those motors are out there. The problem is more likely that fords engine production numbers are in the single or double digits and they simply can't meet the demand and demand has subsequently been stacking up.

 

[j20brett]

Granger Ford in IA is selling 23s at invoice. They have 90 allocations and 100 people on the waitlist already.

The update i just got from Granger is they will be selling the 23's at $1500 over invoice, and have 120 allocations. Im on the list for a call to order when things open up.