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TRINDU said:
I will never see the value. I dont need a soft, normal, or aggressive throttle... I need it to be directly proportional to my foot. That goes for any other input as well.

I want to drive/operate the vehicle. Not it do what it thinks I may think I possibly want to do, maybe.
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Yes, it is kinda comical when you think about it. My 1970 Bronco responds exactly how I'm thinking, like voodoo magic.

For typical trail wheeling, flipping a locker on is all that's really needed. I've often been annoyed when wheeling with other "modern" vehicles plugging the trail while they eff with their buttons at every obstacle. I get it. Used properly, the goat modes should help speed up the slow pokes.

The goat modes start to shine when you get into a little speed. Changing the throttle response, shift points, and keeping the turbos spooled up really changes the performance. And the traction control is pretty amazing when it comes to maintaining control in poor traction situations.

Then of course there's the trail control, one pedal, and trail turn assist party trick.
 
WashingtonMatt said:
Then of course there's the trail control, one pedal, and trail turn assist party trick.
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Go me excited then it was some front dig I was unaware of. Nope, just a cutting brake.

With little effort from you, the system will reduce your turning radius by applying brakes to the inside rear wheel, provided you are engaging in low-speed high-steering-angle maneuvers.
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TRINDU said:
I will never see the value. I dont need a soft, normal, or aggressive throttle... I need it to be directly proportional to my foot. That goes for any other input as well.

I want to drive/operate the vehicle. Not it do what it thinks I may think I possibly want to do, maybe.
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This. I argued for months why a lower HP NA V-8 is better than the ecoboosts for harder core technical stuff (and even the coyote ain't that great really), but I gave up. I drive a 2.7 in a "lighter" fusion every day. Even tuned, still has just enough turbo lag.
 
muddyrover said:
Only a $200 difference between invoice and MSRP on a base 4 door when I bought mine.
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$2000, Maybe?? My current build 6G of 2D, 2.7, and SAS would be $47K with about $2500 "savings" is you got it for invoice.
 
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$2000, Maybe?? My current build 6G of 2D, 2.7, and SAS would be $47K with about $2500 "savings" is you got it for invoice.
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Nope, not on a base. I saw the paperwork. No margins on the ones with no options. You are also building something that Ford is not at the present time. One matching that with a 2.3l did just sell for MSRP of $46k and change at the dealer i bought mine at, though. Wait a month and MSRP will probably be jacked again.
 
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white-rhino said:
Been holding off responding to this thread till we had a few more Broncos in our classes. We see more Jeeps than anything else but have had everything from Jeeps, Bronco Sports, multiple versions of Bronco, multiple Toyoda's, Land Rover, Mercedes and even a Porsche. Now that we have seen several Broncos, I have a few basic thoughts. Note that 95% of our driving school clients are driving showroom vehicles, which may include dealer added lifts and tires, but otherwise most don't have any mods. My assessments are based on teaching people how to drive slow and controlled, who have zero to minimum off-road experience.

No comments on the Bronco Sport other than it handles off road about like the Jeep Renegade.

Ford marketing vs Jeep. Ford wins hands down. We have had a couple events at the local ORV park where both Ford and Jeep had displays and ride alongs. Jeep won't let you drive and the cute girl driving didn't know shit about her vehicle other than to say "doesn't that 392 sound awesome?". I asked about downhill descent and the lockers and she was clueless. Then we did the Bronco ride along. My wife got to drive, they had a great route planned out where you could see how the sway disconnect made a difference, lockers worked and the turn assist. Jeep needs to up their game in that area. Bronco +1

I've not driven one but have been a passenger on the road and the ride seems nicer than the Jeep.

Snow, ice and sand, the tires on the Bronco kick ass over the Jeep tires. Bronco +1

Out of the gate, the IFS suspension does not do as well as the stock Jeep suspension when getting into mild irregular terrain that will lift a tire. Ford should have provided the sway disconnect on all models, as it makes a significant difference. In similar terrain, the Rubicons don't need to disconnect. Jeep +1

The button placement for sway and lockers is awesome and they seem to engage quicker than the Rubicon. I have a place where I bring people through and they lose traction, tell them to engage the locker to see the difference, immediately unlock when they move a foot forward and repeat. This shows them how their traction works - or doesn't. The Rubicons take longer to engage and disengage, sometimes needing to click to N or R to get them to unlock. Bronco +1

Turn assist. Works Awesome. Should be standard on all models. Jeep needs this feature. Bronco +1

Transfer case shifting. Hard to beat electric for a woman. Manual shift is more direct and positive, but for whatever reason, the Rubicon cases seem hard to shift and many women struggle with it. So again, Ford was thinking about the general consumer more than the hardcore wheeler. Bronco +1
That said, all the different rock, sand, snow settings is dumb.

Speed control/downhill descent. Bronco and JL work equally well for downhill. I don't teach auto speed control for uphill so no opinion. I actually like the Jeep a little better as you are shifting the shifter to change speed rather than the button on the steering wheel. That way, a person is steering and shifting vs steering while trying to select the up/down button on the wheel. Jeep +1

All in all, we really like what we have seen with the Bronco. If we were in the market for a new mid level daily/wheeler on 35's, we would certainly shop for both Bronco and Rubicon. But we're not. LOL

Bronco has too many options on the various rigs. Lots of people show up thinking they have sway disconnect and they don't. For the general consumer, understanding the difference of the option package is a bit confusing.
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Thank you!

Deciphering the packages and options is a huge time suck. Scattered sparse info.

I’m guessing You give 101 classes?
 
YotaAtieToo said:
Right? Factory cutting brakes? How lame :homer:

Some people believe 3 wheel peel works better than front dig anyway. I think it depends on the situation.
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It works surprisingly well. You shoulda seen my wife doing donuts when we test drove it. LOL


Poke said:
Thank you!

Deciphering the packages and options is a huge time suck. Scattered sparse info.

I’m guessing You give 101 classes?
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Yeah, we call them Beginner 1 and Beginner 2 vs the traditional 101/102 that everyone else uses. Then move into intermediate, rock crawling and I do a spotting/recovery class. Most of our clients fall into the B1 & B2 category. Most people equipped for actual rock crawling are already experienced enough to not wanting some stranger telling them what to do. :lmao: Lots of people like the spotting/recovery class because most people can't pick a line for shit. :shaking:
 
YotaAtieToo said:
Right? Factory cutting brakes? How lame :homer:

Some people believe 3 wheel peel works better than front dig anyway. I think it depends on the situation.
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TTA should put a smile on anyones face. It's a hoot in the snow. Having it respond on the fly via steering input puts it on a different level than a front dig. Actual usefulness is debatable, I rarely use front dig on the EB. Unfortunately, starting to see reports of rosette welds popping and axle tubes twisting. Have to wonder if ford will keep offering it.
 
YotaAtieToo said:
Right? Factory cutting brakes? How lame :homer:

Some people believe 3 wheel peel works better than front dig anyway. I think it depends on the situation.
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Wait, what did I miss?
 
2big bronco said:
The automatics have trail turn assist. 3 wheel drive and automatically locks the inside rear tire. Front dig plus 1 rear wheel with power
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It is an automatically applied cutting brake. Cutting brake ≠ Front dig. Don't you deal in tractors? :flipoff2: :laughing:
 
2big bronco said:
Its in-between... doesnt it automatically engage the front locker and disconnect the rear?
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I have no idea if it engages the front locker, but that would be counter productive. It definitely will disengage the rear locker, otherwise the cutting brake wouldn't do anything.

It is kind of neat, but I don't think Broncos have enough steering angle (especially the 4 doors) to truly make use of it; especially on high-traction surfaces. It is dumb Ford doesn't program it in on the manuals :homer:
 
2big bronco said:
Its in-between... doesnt it automatically engage the front locker and disconnect the rear?
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Doesn't engage front lockers (you can use it in 4H) but will disengage rear.
It's actually a pretty cool feature especially in the snow/sand.
It's does make some horrific clicking noises sometimes.
I use it my 4 door enough to make me appreciate it. Except in Moab, I was afraid to use my front locker on griprock, let alone do a front diggish.
 
2big bronco said:
The automatics have trail turn assist. 3 wheel drive and automatically locks the inside rear tire. Front dig plus 1 rear wheel with power
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See, the options and features are very hard to figure out. All of the autos or just some models?
 
Poke said:
Thank you!

Deciphering the packages and options is a huge time suck. Scattered sparse info.

I’m guessing You give 101 classes?
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There is a massive amount of videos on Youtube comparing the two. Sometimes they throw in another model as well

 
Surprisingly, the local dealer has a Bronco raptor. They have it listed at msrp, which is $86k.

New 2023 Ford Bronco For Sale at Mike White Ford Sandpoint | VIN: 1FMEE5JR6PLB08760

New 2023 Ford Bronco from Mike White Ford Sandpoint in Ponderay, ID, 83852. Call (208) 263-3127 for more information.
www.mikewhitefordsandpoint.com www.mikewhitefordsandpoint.com

Did ford put a stop to markups?

Also, are these hard to find still? Should I snag it and list it for $120k:flipoff2:
 
YotaAtieToo said:
Surprisingly, the local dealer has a Bronco raptor. They have it listed at msrp, which is $86k.

New 2023 Ford Bronco For Sale at Mike White Ford Sandpoint | VIN: 1FMEE5JR6PLB08760

New 2023 Ford Bronco from Mike White Ford Sandpoint in Ponderay, ID, 83852. Call (208) 263-3127 for more information.
www.mikewhitefordsandpoint.com www.mikewhitefordsandpoint.com

Did ford put a stop to markups?

Also, are these hard to find still? Should I snag it and list it for $120k:flipoff2:
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Online or the Lot? Online, a Lot of the times will show Broncos that were special orders as inventory when it arrives at the dealer, even though it is already sold.
 
YotaAtieToo said:
Surprisingly, the local dealer has a Bronco raptor. They have it listed at msrp, which is $86k.

New 2023 Ford Bronco For Sale at Mike White Ford Sandpoint | VIN: 1FMEE5JR6PLB08760

New 2023 Ford Bronco from Mike White Ford Sandpoint in Ponderay, ID, 83852. Call (208) 263-3127 for more information.
www.mikewhitefordsandpoint.com www.mikewhitefordsandpoint.com

Did ford put a stop to markups?

Also, are these hard to find still? Should I snag it and list it for $120k:flipoff2:
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They sell quick at 99 on the fb groups
 
muddyrover said:
Nope, not on a base. I saw the paperwork. No margins on the ones with no options. You are also building something that Ford is not at the present time. One matching that with a 2.3l did just sell for MSRP of $46k and change at the dealer i bought mine at, though. Wait a month and MSRP will probably be jacked again.
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You really think a dealer was only getting $200 to sell any new bronco? Maybe Ford finally got "smart" and will make all the invoices real close to MSRP to get more from X-planners? (and people like me who start @ invoice, or at least used too). Don't care if they are building what I wanted or not, may never get one at this point.
 
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Jwredneck said:
Online or the Lot? Online, a Lot of the times will show Broncos that were special orders as inventory when it arrives at the dealer, even though it is already sold.
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I've seen it on the lot for about a week.

2big bronco said:
They sell quick at 99 on the fb groups
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Seems like by the time you pay all the tax and fee's, you're not going to make much?
 
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