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Nvr-enough said:
Interesting thread-

'I think im gonna buy a tundra, what are my other options to consider?'


IBB collective- X, Y and Z are worth a test drive..


'I hate everything but toyotas.. im gonna go buy a tundra'




I've got nothing to add here.
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My first post pretty much outlined my hatred for everything. :flipoff2:

I’ve placed Ford in my mental running a couple times and I still can’t get past how much of a pain in the ass everything is to work on. I know I’ll be motherfucking it every time I have to fix it.
 
There’s a lot of things that can mitigate the suck. I just remembered I did a CV on my Chevy and I ended up having to tear apart the whole front end just to get it to clear. It was an absolute nightmare.

At the shop I recall many frustrating times working on Fords. Adding lift kits to them, running compressors for air bags, installing air bags, etc. Every time it was a nightmare.

I’ve turned enough wrenches on my Chevys to know how much I hate Chevy engineers. The 4WD shop concreted my hatred for all domestics.

It would take a lot to sell me on a Ford or a Chevy at this point. I want solid stories of 300k miles on these trucks and I’m just making up the shitty engineering. So I guess that’s what I was looking for.

I’ve torn my 4Runner apart quite a bit since owning it and other than having to disconnect the rear brake line to pull axle shafts it’s been a breeze. That’s been all upgraded suspension/lift, new 4.56 third members, ran air locker lines, lots of electronics added, etc. It’s the little things that I’ve noticed on those vehicles that make life easier. Sometimes it’s impossible to make something easy to get to, but Chevy and Ford are like hold my beer…like Chevy sticking an oil pressure sending unit against the firewall. :homer:

I knew the Ford F-150 and GMT800 HD would be recommendations.

But have you guys owned Tundras and hated them, or has it always been Chevy or Ford?
 
Snowy said:
I’ve put 180k on a 2500 LBZ, 100k on a 7.3 F250, and 40k on a 6.7 F350. None of them hold a candle maintenance wise to any of the various Toyotas that I’ve had to 200k-300k. Just get a Tundra and be happy with the hood welded shut and no ass massagers you can get in the latest domestic.

I do not understand the love boner this forum has for GMT800’s. That LBZ drivetrain was insanely good but everything else sucked. Sticky HVAC blend doors, multiple blower resistors, leaky trans lines, blown brake lines, a fusable link that tried to burn the truck down and I’m sure other shit I’ve forgotten about. It always needed something. Always.

The Fords have less repetitive body related issues but the 6.7 has crunchy plastics. Charge air cooler tube exploded and the sunroof tracks imploded and jammed it open.
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Maybe I’m the only one, but my 6.7 F350 has 307,000 on it and the only thing I’ve done to it has been oil and filters, brakes, couple sets of bilsteins, tires, and did the front end around 200,000. The 6.7 before it needed a radiator around 150,000 and o rings on the turbo oil lines sometime after that. Turbo went out at 320,000 so it got parked.
 
FleshEater said:
My first post pretty much outlined my hatred for everything. :flipoff2:

I’ve placed Ford in my mental running a couple times and I still can’t get past how much of a pain in the ass everything is to work on. I know I’ll be motherfucking it every time I have to fix it.
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I’ve motherfucked everything I’ve ever worked on because I had to.
 
Gbkeith said:
Maybe I’m the only one, but my 6.7 F350 has 307,000 on it and the only thing I’ve done to it has been oil and filters, brakes, couple sets of bilsteins, tires, and did the front end around 200,000. The 6.7 before it needed a radiator around 150,000 and o rings on the turbo oil lines sometime after that. Turbo went out at 320,000 so it got parked.
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If I wouldn’t kill a diesel with lack of driving a 7.3 Ford would be at the top of my list. It’s just not going to drive enough to live.

My dad drove 7.3’s from 1992 until about 2018. Millions of miles on them. But they started at 5:30 am and shut down at 5:30pm five days a week. His last one had 780,000 miles on the original drivetrain. He bought it brand new and ran it until the oil pan rusted out. Since it was a 1 ton van he sold it for $500.

Looking back, I should have bought it off him. But we were not in the same place we are now.
 
I also have to say, and I hate to agree with him, but Arsesideways always said Toyotas last so long because most owners baby them for the first 150k miles. Damn if that’s not what I’m seeing with 90% of the Tundras I’m looking at.

The Carfaxes are almost all Toyota dealer maintenance records. Mint exteriors and interiors. Probably never towed or hauled. They’re like status symbols for yuppies that do Home Depot or Lowes runs twice a year and lay a blanket in the bed. This is even true for the base SR5’s.

I can’t say the same about the Fords. The only Fords I’m finding mint are the Lariats and higher/special models. Those are mint. The rest look like they’ve been used like a truck. It’s not a bad thing, but given the prices people want now, it’s a factor.
 
Gbkeith said:
Maybe I’m the only one, but my 6.7 F350 has 307,000 on it and the only thing I’ve done to it has been oil and filters, brakes, couple sets of bilsteins, tires, and did the front end around 200,000. The 6.7 before it needed a radiator around 150,000 and o rings on the turbo oil lines sometime after that. Turbo went out at 320,000 so it got parked.
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My 6.7 has been pretty good otherwise. Bought it at 60k miles. and now right at 100k. It needed a wheel bearing and brake pads/rear calipers aside from the stuff I mentioned but at close to 100k, I’d call that stuff routine. I really like the truck overall, zero regret on selling my 7.3 for it. That thing always needed rotors or a caliper or some sort of seal to fix a leak.

TrailTamer said:
And love gas. A lot of it.
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So? Who gives a fuck whether you’re getting 14 mpg or 18 mpg when both the ecoboost needs cam phasers and the GM needs a new cam and lifters at 100k. Also, over a 100k span, the Toyota might cost an extra $6k in fuel that it’s going to make up for in less maintenance and better resale than a domestic.
 
Look here. You see the side effect of owning a Toyota :flipoff2:


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FleshEater said:
If I wouldn’t kill a diesel with lack of driving a 7.3 Ford would be at the top of my list. It’s just not going to drive enough to live.

My dad drove 7.3’s from 1992 until about 2018. Millions of miles on them. But they started at 5:30 am and shut down at 5:30pm five days a week. His last one had 780,000 miles on the original drivetrain. He bought it brand new and ran it until the oil pan rusted out. Since it was a 1 ton van he sold it for $500.

Looking back, I should have bought it off him. But we were not in the same place we are now.
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Fly to Texas and buy my 7.3. For enough money I'll even fill the bed with Tracker buggy axles, PSC steering and a 4 link kit. :laughing:
 
Gbkeith said:
How hard are you trying to sell it?
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Not very hard. Im sure if i washed it and put it out in front of the shop at work it would be sold in a day at $15k. I just really want FleshEater to come get these buggy parts out of my shop so I'm not tempted to build something out of them. :lmao:
 
FleshEater said:
There’s a lot of things that can mitigate the suck. I just remembered I did a CV on my Chevy and I ended up having to tear apart the whole front end just to get it to clear. It was an absolute nightmare.

At the shop I recall many frustrating times working on Fords. Adding lift kits to them, running compressors for air bags, installing air bags, etc. Every time it was a nightmare.

I’ve turned enough wrenches on my Chevys to know how much I hate Chevy engineers. The 4WD shop concreted my hatred for all domestics.

It would take a lot to sell me on a Ford or a Chevy at this point. I want solid stories of 300k miles on these trucks and I’m just making up the shitty engineering. So I guess that’s what I was looking for.

I’ve torn my 4Runner apart quite a bit since owning it and other than having to disconnect the rear brake line to pull axle shafts it’s been a breeze. That’s been all upgraded suspension/lift, new 4.56 third members, ran air locker lines, lots of electronics added, etc. It’s the little things that I’ve noticed on those vehicles that make life easier. Sometimes it’s impossible to make something easy to get to, but Chevy and Ford are like hold my beer…like Chevy sticking an oil pressure sending unit against the firewall. :homer:

I knew the Ford F-150 and GMT800 HD would be recommendations.

But have you guys owned Tundras and hated them, or has it always been Chevy or Ford?
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I bought my F150 because a tundra would have been way more money and i wanted to try out stuff like the 10 speed and aluminum body.
 
Mike Honcho said:
This trip I averaged 11mpg loaded down with gear and towing my MJ. What do the other 1/2 tons average towing?
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my 5.0 is 10-12 on average. Have got 8.5 empty a few times. Fucker sure sounds good after you pass 5k rpm:laughing:
 
Obviously eco boost is the only answer :flipoff2:


Really though, sounds like you need a van or small rv if that's all it's going to be doing.
 
Mattafact said:
I'd kill for $250/yr for registration. My truck is $900. I really liked my 3.5 ecoboost f150. The 10 speed auto was impressive. I'd avoid a 1st gen tundra because the 2UZ is anemic. I've had 3 2UZs and love them for everything except towing.

My buddy has a 2014 Tundra and it tows fine but gets thirsty doing it.
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Your friends/family/neighbors voted for the people who gave you $900 registration. Go stack bodies or quit bitching.

FleshEater said:
I am very hesitant to buy Chevy. Just an FYI.

I’ve owned quite a few brands, and maybe it’s just the Japanese 4Runners that do it, but nothing has been as well built as my 4Runner. 130,000 miles and all of it feels and drives like a brand new vehicle. It even did that with stock suspension at 116,000 miles.
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Because anybody who can afford a 4Runner can also affort to not treat it the way Pablo treats his Grand Caravan.
FleshEater said:
I fucking HATE wrenching on Fords. Some of the worst engineering and hardest to get to parts I’ve ever dealt with. No way I’d run a turbo. When those cause issues they’re not easy to fix, at least not for me because I’ve never bought a turbo and most likely never will.
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Their European staff is typical European textbook engineers and it shows in every vehicle system they have any involvement in.


Nvr-enough said:
Interesting thread-

'I think im gonna buy a tundra, what are my other options to consider?'


IBB collective- X, Y and Z are worth a test drive..


'I hate everything but toyotas.. im gonna go buy a tundra'




I've got nothing to add here.
:flipoff2::laughing:
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Now sure why you're surprised. This is how fanboys think. He was just fishing for confirmation. Should have gone to Reddit for that shit.
FleshEater said:
I also have to say, and I hate to agree with him, but Arsesideways always said Toyotas last so long because most owners baby them for the first 150k miles. Damn if that’s not what I’m seeing with 90% of the Tundras I’m looking at.

The Carfaxes are almost all Toyota dealer maintenance records. Mint exteriors and interiors. Probably never towed or hauled. They’re like status symbols for yuppies that do Home Depot or Lowes runs twice a year and lay a blanket in the bed. This is even true for the base SR5’s.

I can’t say the same about the Fords. The only Fords I’m finding mint are the Lariats and higher/special models. Those are mint. The rest look like they’ve been used like a truck. It’s not a bad thing, but given the prices people want now, it’s a factor.
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You're welcome. :flipoff2:
 
Steve300xcw said:
my 5.0 is 10-12 on average. Have got 8.5 empty a few times. Fucker sure sounds good after you pass 5k rpm:laughing:
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Mine is averaging 16.9 on the bigger tires. Includes some towing in the mountains.

I am putting the stock tires and wheels on for winter soon. I regularly beat 20 mpg on the highway with those. You may need a tuneup. Or something.
 
arse_sidewards said:
Your friends/family/neighbors voted for the people who gave you $900 registration. Go stack bodies or quit bitching.


Because anybody who can afford a 4Runner can also affort to not treat it the way Pablo treats his Grand Caravan.


Their European staff is typical European textbook engineers and it shows in every vehicle system they have any involvement in.



Now sure why you're surprised. This is how fanboys think. He was just fishing for confirmation. Should have gone to Reddit for that shit.

You're welcome. :flipoff2:
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Your opinion of Toyota’s and their owners is well known.

You need to get out more. Go to northern MO and see how the “Toyota fanbois” treat Toyota trucks. Many of them only see paved roads when the owners need to meet with their P.O. of get groceries that don’t come out of the chicken house. They are used like tractors that can run 60. I’m really not a Toyota super fan but the first time I saw one of those guys from down there bring their tortured T100 with a manual to a retirement farm auction pulling a 14k bumper hitch, load the box full of core batteries (over level), load the trailer full of scrap until the 10plys were squatty, then take off 75 miles south… you kinda come to the same conclusion about Toyota trucks that Jeremy Clarkson did. Before he took off I had to go talk to the guy about this truck. It was his 3rd Toyota he bought new or just a couple of years old, first T100 (1997 I think, this was in 2002). He’d done similar things to the previous 2 (‘81 truck and ‘89 truck IIRC) though he just had 7k trailers for the first 2. Apparently he ran them this way until rust weakened the frame enough to crack, welds them up and would sell them to local farmers for chore trucks. I asked him why the fuck he didn’t just buy a “real” truck and his response was ‘this does everything I ask it to do and all I do is change the oil”.
Then there’s the local vet that bought one of the first years of Tundra. Vet trucks with the vet box on the back don’t necessarily get overloaded, but between the box, pulling chutes, livestock trailers, running constantly for weeks on end in certain seasons… most vets around here buy an American 3/4t. His half ton lasted him about 18 years until he retired. Sold it and bought a brand new Tundra a few years ago with the intention of never buying another truck.
Just because the east and west coast yuppies buy them for status symbols doesn’t mean they won’t do real work and hold up to abuse. I’d argue that in this part of the country more people buy Ford, GM, and Ram for a status symbol than a Toyota. They are looked down upon by all the super-patriotic people here (who probably don’t realize that the US content of a Tundra is only rivaled by the F-series, and not by much, depending on the manufacturing year).
 
arse_sidewards said:
Your friends/family/neighbors voted for the people who gave you $900 registration. Go stack bodies or quit bitching.


Because anybody who can afford a 4Runner can also affort to not treat it the way Pablo treats his Grand Caravan.


Their European staff is typical European textbook engineers and it shows in every vehicle system they have any involvement in.



Now sure why you're surprised. This is how fanboys think. He was just fishing for confirmation. Should have gone to Reddit for that shit.

You're welcome. :flipoff2:
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Calling me a fanboy isn’t really accurate, I am driving more Chevys and Suzukis than Toyotas and have only owned ONE Toyota.

I’m a fanboy of not driving pieces of shit. That’s about where I am in life anymore. :flipoff2:
 
FleshEater said:
Calling me a fanboy isn’t really accurate, I am driving more Chevys and Suzukis than Toyotas and have only owned ONE Toyota.

I’m a fanboy of not driving pieces of shit. That’s about where I am in life anymore. :flipoff2:
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According to him, just being an owner makes you an overpaid fanboy…
 
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