Migrants wounded falling from border wall being sent back to Mexico without help

[Provience]

Would it not be easier to liberate Mexico like the US does to many other countries and slowly turn it into an extension of the US. Think of all the new voters and work force the government would have at their disposal. I get not wanting to absorb Canada but Mexico has some prime land worth taking. I have friends who are always going to Baja and they come back and tell me how they were hanging out on the beaches with all the hall of fame racers who retired and live there like kings.

name a place in the last 150 years that the US has "liberated and made an extension" of

 

[Sandy Johnson]

Should it?





Should we give them a meal?

How about a house?

You know, "a cell phone should be a right" . . . (scope creep --> Venezuela)

I'm not going to say that your position is wrong, because it's not.Those questions are why people in the US have been arguing about healthcare for a long time. Wouldn't it be great if those in the US got the medical help they needed without worrying if they could pay for it? Wouldn't it be great if no one was hungry? Would it be great if only those who actually needed the assistance requested it and there were not leeches in society who didn't game the system?

I lean left, so I guess you could say I'm good with the parasitic drag of the assholes, if we can help those in need. I think if we are extending aid to people, someone smarter than me would have to be in charge of defining where that line of what type of aid they get should be drawn... or better yet, find a better way to help those in need. There are probably some people out there that are able to pull themselves out of poverty just by getting their medical bills covered for a while. There are probably those that could do the same if they didn't have to worry about housing for a bit.. It goes on and on.

 

[Sandy Johnson]

name a place in the last 150 years that the US has "liberated and made an extension" of

The Philippines. That's all I got tho.

 

[Provience]

The Philippines. That's all I got tho.

huh, based on the nonsense that Duerte has been pulling over the past few years and the great autonomy they have and the still not free and open travel there, I have a hard time believing you

 

[ExWrench]

I'm not going to say that your position is wrong, because it's not.Those questions are why people in the US have been arguing about healthcare for a long time. Wouldn't it be great if those in the US got the medical help they needed without worrying if they could pay for it? Wouldn't it be great if no one was hungry? Would it be great if only those who actually needed the assistance requested it and there were not leeches in society who didn't game the system?

I lean left, so I guess you could say I'm good with the parasitic drag of the assholes, if we can help those in need. I think if we are extending aid to people, someone smarter than me would have to be in charge of defining where that line of what type of aid they get should be drawn... or better yet, find a better way to help those in need. There are probably some people out there that are able to pull themselves out of poverty just by getting their medical bills covered for a while. There are probably those that could do the same if they didn't have to worry about housing for a bit.. It goes on and on.

Yeah, and I could probably be a bitchin' sculptor if someone paid for my house, food, and comfort . . .

. . . BUT . . . I'm a realist and responsible adult so I go the fuck to work to pay for my existence . . .

. . . and to pay my taxes so that the fuckheaded socialist programs you love don't collapse

 

[Sandy Johnson]

huh, based on the nonsense that Duerte has been pulling over the past few years and the great autonomy they have and the still not free and open travel there, I have a hard time believing you

We gave it back after WWII.

 

[Provience]

We gave it back after WWII.

the USA is about the most shit at being an imperialist colonizing country, despite all of our labels.

 

[Sandy Johnson]

Yeah, and I could probably be a bitchin' sculptor if someone paid for my house, food, and comfort . . .

. . . BUT . . . I'm a realist and responsible adult so I go the fuck to work to pay for my existence . . .

. . . and to pay my taxes so that the fuckheaded socialist programs you love don't collapse

Right. I also pay taxes for those socialist programs. We're all here because we like to throw piles of cash into a money pit crawler remember?

There are people out there that genuinely need help. Our country has the economic power to be able to help them. The problem is the systems we have in place or are proposing to put in place aren't advanced enough to weed out those who would take advantage of it.

 

[gunracer1]

I'm not going to say that your position is wrong, because it's not.Those questions are why people in the US have been arguing about healthcare for a long time. Wouldn't it be great if those in the US got the medical help they needed without worrying if they could pay for it? Wouldn't it be great if no one was hungry? Would it be great if only those who actually needed the assistance requested it and there were not leeches in society who didn't game the system?

I lean left, so I guess you could say I'm good with the parasitic drag of the assholes, if we can help those in need. I think if we are extending aid to people, someone smarter than me would have to be in charge of defining where that line of what type of aid they get should be drawn... or better yet, find a better way to help those in need. There are probably some people out there that are able to pull themselves out of poverty just by getting their medical bills covered for a while. There are probably those that could do the same if they didn't have to worry about housing for a bit.. It goes on and on.

where has it ever worked where someone is given something for nothing that didn't go to shit? hell 51% of this country pays no taxes but makes demands for the government to steal them some money from people who earn it.

 

[Sandy Johnson]

the USA is about the most shit at being an imperialist colonizing country, despite all of our labels.

I don't disagree. It seems like most of the time we try to flex our influence, it comes back to bite us. Look what filipinos did to the jeep for example.

 

[Sandy Johnson]

where has it ever worked where someone is given something for nothing that didn't go to shit? hell 51% of this country pays no taxes but makes makes demands for the government to steal them some money from people who earn it.

51%? Where'd you get that number? Genuinely interested, not doubting your claims... well, ok, doubting it a little bit because that number seems high.

I had a friend with cystic fibrosis. There was no way in hell she could afford all the medical treatment she required, especially because her immune system required her to live in fear of the common cold and the flu the way the most liberal of liberals lives in fear of COVID now. She had to wear an N95 mask in public and basically shelter in place every flu season, so holding down a job was hard. She wasn't trying to milk the system, she was just trying not to die.

 

[Sterlingfire]

51%? Where'd you get that number? Genuinely interested, not doubting your claims... well, ok, doubting it a little bit because that number seems high.

I had a friend with cystic fibrosis. There was no way in hell she could afford all the medical treatment she required, especially because her immune system required her to live in fear of the common cold and the flu the way the most liberal of liberals lives in fear of COVID now. She had to wear an N95 mask in public and basically shelter in place every flu season, so holding down a job was hard. She wasn't trying to milk the system, she was just trying not to die.

Hurrdurr some people need help. That's a given. The system is supposed to help those folks, but allowing a fuck ton of free loaders with no repercussions hurt themselves then get a free ride home isn't how it's designed:rolleyes:

 

[ExWrench]

There are people out there that genuinely need help.
Our country has the economic power to be able to help them.

There are cats in your county that genuinely need help.

Most of them will be killed if you don't help.​

You have the economic power to be able to help them.
Go, right now, and adopt all the stray cats at your local shelter.

Or . . . are there are limits to your philanthropy?

You can donate your cash* to Handjobs for the Homeless - I won't complain.
But leave my tax dollars outta' your dream of jerkin' off bums - fair deal?


EDIT: *or time - I'm not judging if you prefer "hands-on" donations

 

[bgaidan]

51%? Where'd you get that number? Genuinely interested, not doubting your claims... well, ok, doubting it a little bit because that number seems high.

I had a friend with cystic fibrosis. There was no way in hell she could afford all the medical treatment she required, especially because her immune system required her to live in fear of the common cold and the flu the way the most liberal of liberals lives in fear of COVID now. She had to wear an N95 mask in public and basically shelter in place every flu season, so holding down a job was hard. She wasn't trying to milk the system, she was just trying not to die.

https://taxfoundation.org/summary-o...n 2017, the top 1,percent of all income taxes.

In 2017, the top 1 percent of taxpayers accounted for more income taxes paid than the bottom 90 percent combined. The top 1 percent of taxpayers paid roughly $616 billion, or 38.5 percent of all income taxes, while the bottom 90 percent paid about $479 billion, or 29.9 percent of all income taxes.

In contrast, the top 1 percent of all taxpayers (taxpayers with AGI of $515,371 and above) earned 21.0 percent of all AGI in 2017 and paid 38.5 percent of all federal income taxes.

The 2017 IRS data shows that taxpayers with higher incomes paid much higher average income tax rates than lower-income taxpayers.[3]

The bottom 50 percent of taxpayers (taxpayers with AGIs below $41,740) faced an average income tax rate of 4.0 percent. As household income increases, the IRS data shows that average income tax rates rise. For example, taxpayers with AGIs between the 10th and 5th percentiles ($145,135 and $208,053) paid an average effective rate of 14.3 percent—3.5 times the rate paid by those in the bottom 50 percent.

The top 1 percent of taxpayers (AGI of $515,371 and above) paid the highest effective income tax rate, roughly 26.8 percent, more than six times the rate faced by the bottom 50 percent of taxpayers.

https://taxfoundation.org/summary-latest-federal-income-tax-data-2018-update/

In 2016, the bottom 50 percent of taxpayers (those with AGI below $40,078) earned 11.6 percent of total AGI. This group of taxpayers paid $43.9 billion in taxes, or roughly 3 percent of all income taxes in 2016.

In contrast, the top 1 percent of all taxpayers (taxpayers with AGI of $480,804 and above), earned 19.7 percent of all AGI in 2016, and paid 37.3 percent of all federal income taxes.

In 2016, the top 1 percent of taxpayers accounted for more income taxes paid than the bottom 90 percent combined. The top 1 percent of taxpayers paid roughly $538 billion, or 37.3 percent of all income taxes, while the bottom 90 percent paid about $440 billion, or 30.5 percent of all income taxes.

https://www.ntu.org/foundation/tax-page/who-pays-income-taxes

But new data from the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) shows that the income tax system has grown increasingly progressive since 1980, even as top marginal tax rates have been significantly reduced. The top income earners shoulder the majority of the income tax burden, far exceeding their adjusted gross income share, while those at the bottom are largely spared from income taxes.

The new data shows that the top 1 percent of earners (with incomes over $515,371) paid nearly 39 percent of all income taxes, up slightly from the previous tax year’s 37 percent share. The amount of taxes paid in this percentile is nearly twice as much their adjusted gross income (AGI) load.

The top 10 percent of earners bore responsibility for 70 percent of all income taxes paid – up slightly from 2016 – while half of all tax filers paid 97 percent of all income tax revenue. Indicating the degree of progressivity in the code, the bottom 50 percent of earners took home 11 percent of total nationwide income while owing 3 percent of all income taxes.

NTUF has compiled historical data tracking the distribution of the federal income tax burden back to 1980. In that year, the income tax share of the top one percent of filers was 19 percent – half of what it is now (38.5 percent). And this happened despite the top marginal income tax rate falling from 70 percent in 1980 to 39.6 percent in 2013 through 2017. On the other side of the spectrum, the bottom 50 percent’s share has been cut. In 1980, it stood at 7 percent. That dropped to a low of 2.4 percent in 2010 (during the recession) before gradually rising to 3.1 percent in 2017 as the economy improved.

This will be the last year of data from before the implementation of the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA). However, many of the provisions in the TCJA, including lower tax rates, nearly doubling the standard deduction, and expanding the child tax credit, are expected to result in the top earners bearing an even larger share of the income tax burden.

It's about time those evil billionaires start paying their fair share, right?

 

[Rockbuggy84]

There are cats in your county that genuinely need help.

Most of them will be killed if you don't help.​

You have the economic power to be able to help them.
Go, right now, and adopt all the stray cats at your local shelter.

Or . . . are there are limits to your philanthropy?

You can donate your cash* to Handjobs for the Homeless - I won't complain.
But leave my tax dollars outta' your dream of jerkin' off bums - fair deal?


EDIT: *or time - I'm not judging if you prefer "hands-on" donations

Where are the limits? Well, Liberals typically “draw the line” at their pocketbooks.

They’re good at virtue signaling, but when it truly comes to putting their money where their mouth is, they’re full of shit.

 

[Provience]

Since 1977 the USA has “liberated” Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Kuwait, Panama, Grenada, Haiti.
Now has the US truly "liberated" anyone or just gained control, influence, and or resources over the people and land?
The "American Empire" keeps expanding as well as the military presence all over the globe. The US does not need to own the land, in order to treat it as their own.
America's "Cultural Imperialism" is spreading across the globe as well. Why does every country need a McDonalds? Maybe so they can look at their Facebook account on their iPhone while they eat their Big Mac.

And the USA hasn't done anything significant in those places to make them mini USA type places. In the context of those, we've already liberated Mexico

 

[Mr Stubs]

Have you ever had to get out of somewhere remote all fucked up before? The pain is pretty intense. It seems cruel not to do something.

Yep, multiple times at a young age.

Were you trying to make a point?

 

[Hooligan]

Where are the limits? Well, Liberals typically “draw the line” at their pocketbooks.

They’re good at virtue signaling, but when it truly comes to putting their money where their mouth is, they’re full of shit.

Much easier to virtue signal and “do something “ with OPM. Don’t see Pelosi selling her $20k fridge paid by defrauding the system to help the poor or illegals, sure Governor Nuisance has a spare bedroom he could host a few a families of homeless.

 

[Thatg9659]

We have the highest GDP in the world and we can't bother to do some first aid before deporting these fawkers? You're going to stand there and tell me that if you came upon one of these people so broke off that they couldn't even walk, you wouldn't bother to help them after calling the border patrol? I couldn't do that, and I wouldn't want to force our border patrol agents to do that.

We didn't get the highest GDP in the world by encouraging freeloaders to freeload. No matter the intention. Shit will be exploited and gov will deny it. Follow the fucking rules and wait your fucking turn. I do wish 45 would have made the process more efficient maybe for some he has I dunno.

My friend Jauncho came here 15 years ago on a plane with a greencard and a 5 gal bucket of tools, still has the greencard but his toolkit has grown and it sure wasn't from handouts. His son and grandson are now here after waiting years and spending thousands of American earned dollars. You want me to tell you what he thinks about border hoppers?

 

[Sandy Johnson]

It's about time those evil billionaires start paying their fair share, right?

Thanks! That does show the disparity in taxes paid at different income levels, but I don't see anywhere that "51% of americans don't pay taxes".

I always thought the magic number was 47%?

 

[Sandy Johnson]

Hurrdurr some people need help. That's a given. The system is supposed to help those folks, but allowing a fuck ton of free loaders with no repercussions hurt themselves then get a free ride home isn't how it's designed:rolleyes:

Hurrdurr there are free loaders. That's a a given. My point was if you kill those programs to fix the free loader problem, then you also screw over those who actually need help.
​​​​

 

[Sandy Johnson]

Yep, multiple times at a young age.

Were you trying to make a point?

It's inhumane to haul someone with broken bones back across the border without at least doing some sort of first aid.

 

[Sandy Johnson]

There are cats in your county that genuinely need help.

Most of them will be killed if you don't help.​

You have the economic power to be able to help them.
Go, right now, and adopt all the stray cats at your local shelter.

Or . . . are there are limits to your philanthropy?

You can donate your cash* to Handjobs for the Homeless - I won't complain.
But leave my tax dollars outta' your dream of jerkin' off bums - fair deal?


EDIT: *or time - I'm not judging if you prefer "hands-on" donations

We spayed and neutered 36 stray cats in our neighborhood two years ago to try and deal with a feral cat problem. There are indeed limits to my philanthropy though and hand jobs are pretty fawking far past that. Did you have a point?

 

[64Trvlr]

Pastor Rosalio Sosa, who runs a network of migrant shelters at US-Mexico border, told Dallas News a shelter in Palomas gets about seven injured migrants per week and the situation there looks like that of a “war zone,” with number of injured piling up. “This has become a war zone, with war injuries and no resources,”

Fuck em, throw em back.

 

[ExWrench]

We spayed and neutered 36 stray cats in our neighborhood two years ago to try and deal with a feral cat problem. There are indeed limits to my philanthropy though and hand jobs are pretty fawking far past that. Did you have a point?

If you couldn't see it on the first pass, it's not worth explaining to you. Best of luck, Forrest

 

[Sterlingfire]

Hurrdurr there are free loaders. That's a a given. My point was if you kill those programs to fix the free loader problem, then you also screw over those who actually need help.
​​​​

:rolleyes:Holy fuck you are dumb.
Did i miss where someone said they wanted to gut those programs? Are you making shit up again? Gunracer is literally talking about taking care of illegals, not our own that actually need help
It seems as though you've lost here. Now you're struggling to gain back some ground. Stop fighting the boogey man, he doesn't exist.

 

[CDA 455 II]

Thanks! That does show the disparity in taxes paid at different income levels, but I don't see anywhere that "51% of americans don't pay taxes".

I always thought the magic number was 47%?

The bottom 50% of households (<$130,000 annually) don't pay federal income tax.

 

[SLOWPOKE693]

The bottom 50% of households (<$130,000 annually) don't pay federal income tax.

How do I get on this no income tax program?????

 

[gunracer1]

It's inhumane to haul someone with broken bones back across the border without at least doing some sort of first aid.

they should have shot him. he was breaking our laws. I am sick of it, I am tired of paying for these fucking bums/criminals. it is not that hard to do it the right way. instead assholes like you encourage them to break the law coming here. and I love your show of compassion hiring government officials to steal from people to give to them, very compassionate.

 

[Filthy McChevy]

The bottom 50% of households (<$130,000 annually) don't pay federal income tax.

Negative Ghostrider. If that was true I would get a refund.