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rockota said:
If the private sector provides the government with $10.
And the government uses $6 of that to pay workers.
And those workers have a piece of paper that says $2 was withheld for taxes.

How much of the government funds does the government employee contribute?

None.

Your point about fed isn't incorrect.... sort of... when you consider CA gets $1 back in every dollar it sends to the Fed, however, then it's hard to argue that a CA government employee contributes to tax revenues.
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Oh yeah, I forgot California was no longer a donor state. Fair point. At its root though, I was hired with the promise of a set salary, and they are taking some of that away for taxes. So if it's a wash, then you could say I'm being charitable by working for less than my worth by being a government employee rather than in the private sector.

What about contractors who are hired by government organizations? Do you also consider them to not be contributing? Their income comes from the state or fed as well.
 
Harry Johnson said:
Oh yeah, I forgot California was no longer a donor state. Fair point. At its root though, I was hired with the promise of a set salary, and they are taking some of that away for taxes. So if it's a wash, then you could say I'm being charitable by working for less than my worth by being a government employee rather than in the private sector.

What about contractors who are hired by government organizations? Do you also consider them to not be contributing? Their income comes from the state or fed as well.
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Contractors is a good question. I've often struggled with that question, to be honest.

I don't have a "good" answer for it other than to say "probably."

That the fed government is the largest employer is jacked... There was a time that Target was the largest employer in MN... now it's Fed and State leading the way.

That's not sustainable.
 
rockota said:
That the fed government is the largest employer is jacked... There was a time that Target was the largest employer in MN... now it's Fed and State leading the way.

That's not sustainable.
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It could be as long as the fed is providing services that help private business continue to grow. I know that's a far cry from reality right now.

Disney and Google are the only two private organizations in the top 10 largest employers in California. I think Disney is like 5th and google is 8th or something to that effect.
 
Harry Johnson said:
It could be as long as the fed is providing services that help private business continue to grow. I know that's a far cry from reality right now.

Disney and Google are the only two private organizations in the top 10 largest employers in California. I think Disney is like 5th and google is 8th or something to that effect.
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can you name one? Serious question.
 
Thatg9659 said:
We didn't get the highest GDP in the world by encouraging freeloaders to freeload. No matter the intention. Shit will be exploited and gov will deny it. Follow the fucking rules and wait your fucking turn. I do wish 45 would have made the process more efficient maybe for some he has I dunno.

My friend Jauncho came here 15 years ago on a plane with a greencard and a 5 gal bucket of tools, still has the greencard but his toolkit has grown and it sure wasn't from handouts. His son and grandson are now here after waiting years and spending thousands of American earned dollars. You want me to tell you what he thinks about border hoppers?
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I'd like to see survey of all LEGAL immigrants and what they think about illegal immigration.
I bet 95% of them are dead set against it with a passion.
 
Just build an alligator mote along the wall. Or piranhas, can they survive down there?
The pipe layers get to dig a ditch. Headlines: Biden provides 75,000 jobs.
The jumpers that are injured get treatment via being put out of their horrible pain and suffering. Harry is happy they don't suffer while being tossed back over.
Animal rights activists are happy because we are providing a home and food for animals.
Majority of IBBers sleep easy knowing they aren't spending tax money on medical for illegals.

Win-Win-Win-Win? :flipoff2:

Although, it could turn into a deterrent. Which would replace item 3 and the animal people go back to normal bitching, but we should probably find some food for them gators before they do.
 
Harry Johnson said:
Worker training, low interest loans, infrastructure improvements(roads, gentrification, etc.), government funded business incubators... That's about all I can come up with off the top of my head.
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First two - shouldn't be gov't in any way shape or form.
Infrastructure improvements - perhaps. But i'm not sure how that helps businesses grow, per se. I.e. they don't make up for bad business plans.
Business incubators? Again... not a place that gov't should be involved, IMHO.

But... I guess others would disagree.
 
Yota Up said:
I'd like to see survey of all LEGAL immigrants and what they think about illegal immigration.
I bet 95% of them are dead set against it with a passion.
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You are correct. All the legal Mexicans I talk to down here despise the illegals. Like wouldn't piss on one to put out a fire type despise. :smokin:
 
Harry Johnson said:
Does your vote count more if you contribute more money? Or does it count more if you contribute a higher percentage of your AGI? How do states with no income tax handle that? Do you suddenly have to provide proof that you bought things and paid sales tax? Or does everyone get a vote?
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no federal income taxes, not that hard. and every tax paying citizens vote counts..
 
rockota said:
First two - shouldn't be gov't in any way shape or form.
Infrastructure improvements - perhaps. But i'm not sure how that helps businesses grow, per se. I.e. they don't make up for bad business plans.
Business incubators? Again... not a place that gov't should be involved, IMHO.

But... I guess others would disagree.
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With regards to the first one- we have something called the Salinas Valley Promise at our local community college. If you're local, you don't pay tuition if you're a first time, full time student. They have really strong programs that can be used in the local Ag industries (Welding & fabrication degree, diesel engine tech, Ag business and technology, manufacturing technology, etc). Lots of local kids have jumped on that in recent years and my buddies in Ag have said it's been much easier to hire quality people out of those programs.

Also business incubators- if the government doesn't fund it, I don't see how the private sector could make something like the profitable without preying on those trying to get off the ground.
 
Harry Johnson said:
Also business incubators- if the government doesn't fund it, I don't see how the private sector could make something like the profitable without preying on those trying to get off the ground.
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I'm not following.
 
Harry Johnson said:
Edit: I didn't pay federal taxes while I was in college because I barely made any money and all of it went to pay for school. Should I have not been allowed to vote while that happened? Should anyone who's poor not be able to vote?
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Honestly? No.

If you dont have skin in the game you dont get a say in the rules. The framers had it right if your not a landowner, or in modern times a net taxpayer, you dont get to vote. Military members excluded they literally put their skin in the game. Im sorry but if youre supported by the govt for sitting on your ass at home, you dont deserve the right to cast a vote for how things get done.

You want to make it fair? Use a set tax point say 5 or even 10% with a minimum tax paid by everyone except those truly unable, children, infirm, maybe even seniors after a certain age and amount of tax paid over a lifetime or even a set age which ever comes first.

Then Ill agree everyone votes. Till then fuck off you socialist prick.
 
Harry Johnson said:
Also business incubators- if the government doesn't fund it, I don't see how the private sector could make something like the profitable without preying on those trying to get off the ground.
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Jesus christ you are fucking stupid. Its how 99% of successful small businesses are started. Its called investment. Successful businesses or individuals invest capital in to small businesses that show promise. When the small business is successful it repays the first party with interest or through shares of the company.

You and other socialists call it preying on because you think everything should be given to you risk free, succesful people call it business. Incubators are often welfare for businesses that shouldnt exist OR in most cases operate the same way as venture capitalism just with a smaller payout. They give a small business a low interest loan or cheap rent but they still expect to be paid back or a small return on profits to fund further projects. The difference is an incubator is run by a govt entity usually at a loss because the people in charge generally dont have any business sense and arent using their own money so they dont care.
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Stuck said:
Honestly? No.

If you dont have skin in the game you dont get a say in the rules. The framers had it right if your not a landowner, or in modern times a net taxpayer, you dont get to vote. Military members excluded they literally put their skin in the game. Im sorry but if youre supported by the govt for sitting on your ass at home, you dont deserve the right to cast a vote for how things get done.

You want to make it fair? Use a set tax point say 5 or even 10% with a minimum tax paid by everyone except those truly unable, children, infirm, maybe even seniors after a certain age and amount of tax paid over a lifetime or even a set age which ever comes first.

Then Ill agree everyone votes. Till then fuck off you socialist prick.
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I mean fuck income tax completely. Why not go to a sales tax based system? Everyone pays the same, no matter your social status.
The argument usually end up at the "well the rich would have even MORE money then":rolleyes:
 
SLOWPOKE693 said:
You are correct. All the legal Mexicans I talk to down here despise the illegals. Like wouldn't piss on one to put out a fire type despise. :smokin:
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That lines up with the responses I got from those I've asked. None of them like :mr-t:'s that have the man holding em down mindset. Not fond of the rican's with the ebt's cards and 8 kids either.
 
SLOWPOKE693 said:
All of this is 100% true. Personally I find it awesome! :laughing:
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To sum it up, Ungrateful, blind to opportunity and don't know what havin it bad really means.

I found myself delivering pizzas in 2009 after being evicted from a comfy salary job, delivered to the projects often, most were chill, but I wanted to slap the shit out of this flatscreen havin cable tv watchin :mr-t: when he told me about the projeks where they have it so bad I had to tip him. looked that nig nog in the eye I said yeah you got it bad only spendin 30% of your income on rent and utilities, spending $17 on $3 worth of food, while my dumbass is dumping 60% to my landlord every month, didn't run ac all summer and eat leftover pizza 7 days a week. and fix my co workers, neighbors and friends junk in my garage to get by, yeah let me work up a tear. so expected to get bitched out when I got back. :laughing:

Rollin a 20" monster high bike for my daughters B day to the checkout behind a black family and the 10ish year old girl was staring at it with stars in her eyes axin me if I'm buying that, said yep got a daughter about your age and her B day is next week. meanwhile her parents have a cartfull of crap 3 times what I spent and will be gone next month.
 
Stuck said:
Jesus christ you are fucking stupid. Its how 99% of successful small businesses are started. Its called investment. Successful businesses or individuals invest capital in to small businesses that show promise. When the small business is successful it repays the first party with interest or through shares of the company.

You and other socialists call it preying on because you think everything should be given to you risk free, succesful people call it business. Incubators are often welfare for businesses that shouldnt exist OR in most cases operate the same way as venture capitalism just with a smaller payout. They give a small business a low interest loan or cheap rent but they still expect to be paid back or a small return on profits to fund further projects. The difference is an incubator is run by a govt entity usually at a loss because the people in charge generally dont have any business sense and arent using their own money so they dont care.
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Well, today I learned something new. I was using the wrong term. What do you call somewhere that provides office space, management training, use of shared manufacturing equipment, etc? That's what I was going for when I said business incubator. Maybe "fucking ignorant" would have been a better label :homer:
 
SLOWPOKE693 said:
A cooperative? Honestly I've never heard of suck a thing. :confused:
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No it is an incubator. There are several types. Some provide office space, some industrial space, some are a financial perk. A lot of times it will be a property that is sitting empty that either the govt seized in a tax forfeiture or the govt offered tax breaks to the owner to use the space and or grants to make a derelict space usable. There are both govt and private organzations either regular business or non profits that run them.

As usual the commie missed the point. The successful ones are generally no different than private investment sources. There is a repayment of some kind due at some point

I had more but Im tired and it may have been incoherent so I deleted it.

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Harry Johnson said:
Well, today I learned something new. I was using the wrong term. What do you call somewhere that provides office space, management training, use of shared manufacturing equipment, etc? That's what I was going for when I said business incubator. Maybe "fucking ignorant" would have been a better label :homer:
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So.... you now admit that you don’t know what you’re talking about... again... yet you’re still pro-big govt?
 
rockota said:
So.... you now admit that you don’t know what you’re talking about... again... yet you’re still pro-big govt?
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No. Now that I know the real definition of a business incubator, my life has changed. I have lost faith that the federal government would one day bring about a golden American economic revolution via strategic business incubators all across the country and I will forever hope and pray that every illegal who climbs over our majestic border wall falls into newly installed alligator pits and is eaten instead of helped and sent back across the border. Trump 2024! :flipoff2:
 
Stuck said:
No it is an incubator. There are several types. Some provide office space, some industrial space, some are a financial perk. A lot of times it will be a property that is sitting empty that either the govt seized in a tax forfeiture or the govt offered tax breaks to the owner to use the space and or grants to make a derelict space usable. There are both govt and private organzations either regular business or non profits that run them.

As usual the commie missed the point. The successful ones are generally no different than private investment sources. There is a repayment of some kind due at some point

I had more but Im tired and it may have been incoherent so I deleted it.

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I appreciate the education. I was under the impression that government backed versions of that were providing those services for free.
 
Harry Johnson said:
No. Now that I know the real definition of a business incubator, my life has changed. I have lost faith that the federal government would one day bring about a golden American economic revolution via strategic business incubators all across the country and I will forever hope and pray that every illegal who climbs over our majestic border wall falls into newly installed alligator pits and is eaten instead of helped and sent back across the border. Trump 2024! :flipoff2:
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Glad you finally came to your senses and woke the fuck up.

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Harry Johnson said:
I appreciate the education. I was under the impression that government backed versions of that were providing those services for free.
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Nothing is free...

Just curious - how much of your opinions of government, and by extension, government's role, are based on "impressions" vs knowledge?

I'm NOT intending to sound insulting with that question.... But I am very curious.
 
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rockota said:
Nothing is free...

Just curious - how much of your opinions of government, and by extension, government's role, are based on "impressions" vs knowledge?

I'm NOT intending to sound insulting with that question.... But I am very curious.
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Well... That's the thing- I don't know what I don't know. There may be things that I think are knowledge which are actually impressions. I try to be open to opposing view points as a result.
 
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