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Major Bridge in Baltimore Collapses After Being Struck by Cargo Ship

shortbus4x4 said:
We'll be back, got the wrong house this time. Do you have a dog? We need some target practice.
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Slander said:
Remember the last time the feds had the idea to blow a wreck up? How did that work out in Ohio. Those dumbfucks would probably blow the ship in half, dump everything on it/all the fuel in the water and blame it on climate change and white supremacy, and levy a 50% tax on any imported consumer good to create a department to prevent that from happening again.
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Oklahoma City?

Waco?
 
Soooo... I'm not normally a paranoid person, but I noticed something weird in all the social media posts about this. Normally the fringe tinfoil hat theories about major events are ignored. This time there sure are a lot of memes out there making fun of the very unprobeable idea that this was some sort of deliberate attack. I chuckled at the first one I saw... then a saw a lot more, and I found that odd.

One thing I do know about a lot of politically charged memes is that it's just as likely that some big organization/country/think tank has cranked this out and pushed it to the masses using bots or whatever as it is that some dude in his mom's basement had a moment of inspiration and fired up Microsoft paint.

My limited knowledge how big ships work combined with the tiny bit of research did to learn more about this accident tells me it's very unlikely that crashing a commercial shipping vessel into a bridge in Baltimore at 1am isn't likely to be a deliberate attack, but it also seems odd that there are some groups out there that feel the theory worthy enough to fire up the presses to try and shoot that idea down.
 
Sandy Johnson said:
Soooo... I'm not normally a paranoid person, but I noticed something weird in all the social media posts about this. Normally the fringe tinfoil hat theories about major events are ignored. This time there sure are a lot of memes out there making fun of the very unprobeable idea that this was some sort of deliberate attack. I chuckled at the first one I saw... then a saw a lot more, and I found that odd.

One thing I do know about a lot of politically charged memes is that it's just as likely that some big organization/country/think tank has cranked this out and pushed it to the masses using bots or whatever as it is that some dude in his mom's basement had a moment of inspiration and fired up Microsoft paint.

My limited knowledge how big ships work combined with the tiny bit of research did to learn more about this accident tells me it's very unlikely that crashing a commercial shipping vessel into a bridge in Baltimore at 1am isn't likely to be a deliberate attack, but it also seems odd that there are some groups out there that feel the theory worthy enough to fire up the presses to try and shoot that idea down.
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Like I said earlier...within mere hours the FBI stated it was not malicious, purely an accident.

There was absolutely NO way for them to have performed even a cursory investigation at that point.

I know, they're trying to keep people from panicking...but to categorically state that seems awfully strange.
 
are there backround checks and the like for the crews done before they are hired?

I'd think so given how much money the ship+cargo is worth.

They may have already had much of the backround information. Maybe the insurance company checks them all out?
 
JD Mark said:
Like I said earlier...within mere hours the FBI stated it was not malicious, purely an accident.

There was absolutely NO way for them to have performed even a cursory investigation at that point.

I know, they're trying to keep people from panicking...but to categorically state that seems awfully strange.
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In before we learn two of the pilots names were both Mohamed.
 
87manche said:
are there backround checks and the like for the crews done before they are hired?
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If it was one of those types of scenarios, I would think there would be some terrorist organization loudly tooting their horn about their successful attack.

Which, if deliberate, kind of makes the whole thing more scary if you think about it. Terrorist attacks are there to cause maximum fear/panic.

If some other organization that has an interest in keeping who did it quiet, it could be to further something with a much greater impact farther down the road.

...or I watch too many movies and I need to chill out.
 
Sandy Johnson said:
If it was one of those types of scenarios, I would think there would be some terrorist organization loudly tooting their horn about their successful attack.

Which, if deliberate, kind of makes the whole thing more scary if you think about it. Terrorist attacks are there to cause maximum fear/panic.

If some other organization that has an interest in keeping who did it quiet, it could be to further something with a much greater impact farther down the road.

...or I watch too many movies and I need to chill out.
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The CIA has yet to claim responsibility for bombing Nordstream...
 
Sandy Johnson said:
Soooo... I'm not normally a paranoid person, but I noticed something weird in all the social media posts about this. Normally the fringe tinfoil hat theories about major events are ignored. This time there sure are a lot of memes out there making fun of the very unprobeable idea that this was some sort of deliberate attack. I chuckled at the first one I saw... then a saw a lot more, and I found that odd.

One thing I do know about a lot of politically charged memes is that it's just as likely that some big organization/country/think tank has cranked this out and pushed it to the masses using bots or whatever as it is that some dude in his mom's basement had a moment of inspiration and fired up Microsoft paint.

My limited knowledge how big ships work combined with the tiny bit of research did to learn more about this accident tells me it's very unlikely that crashing a commercial shipping vessel into a bridge in Baltimore at 1am isn't likely to be a deliberate attack, but it also seems odd that there are some groups out there that feel the theory worthy enough to fire up the presses to try and shoot that idea down.
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Also remember we are in a post thought society and ad revenue is driven by clicks. Which gets more clicks: system failure and the boat hit the bridge outside of the 11th busiest port in the USA, OR "this was a planned attack from inside the deep state designed to starve out the population at one of the busiest ports in the world, the grids going down in 2weeks!!!!"?

I enjoy a good conspiracy theory, but I'm still chalking this up to accident specifically because of all the dumbass tweets coming out of this. Especially after reading through various other industrial accidents and fuck ups people have made that led to disasters on a similar scale.
 
Slander said:
I enjoy a good conspiracy theory, but I'm still chalking this up to accident specifically because of all the dumbass tweets coming out of this. Especially after reading through various other industrial accidents and fuck ups people have made that led to disasters on a similar scale.
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You're a heathen and unbeliever!!!
 
Slander said:
Also remember we are in a post thought society and ad revenue is driven by clicks. Which gets more clicks: system failure and the boat hit the bridge outside of the 11th busiest port in the USA, OR "this was a planned attack from inside the deep state designed to starve out the population at one of the busiest ports in the world, the grids going down in 2weeks!!!!"?
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I don't actually see anything driving that other than stuff I see on irate and maybe 1 or 2 of my buddies voicing that opinion on Facebook.

What stood out to me was the flood of social media posts shooting that theory down or making fun of it. The response seems disproportionate to how much it's actually being thrown out there as a theory.
 
Sandy Johnson said:
I don't actually see anything driving that other than stuff I see on irate and maybe 1 or 2 of my buddies voicing that opinion on Facebook.

What stood out to me was the flood of social media posts shooting that theory down or making fun of it. The response seems disproportionate to how much it's actually being thrown out there as a theory.
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Ahhh ok I see now.

JD Mark I'm changing my opinion this was an inside fed op based on people shouting down conspiracy theories :lmao::lmao:
 
87manche said:
are there backround checks and the like for the crews done before they are hired?

I'd think so given how much money the ship+cargo is worth.

They may have already had much of the backround information. Maybe the insurance company checks them all out?
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Like a lot of commercial and other maritime it appears that Lloyds of London is the insurance company. I know they had my records on file, and I was a lowly 200 tonne offshore yachtmaster. The only claim in all my sailing was for a yacht under my command being hit by lightning at the dock in FL. I was not even aboard.

So investigate crew, not likely, but that could depend on the company itself.

But I suspect that the insurance company had some sort of file on the captain if he was ever listed as captain / chief engineer on any ship they insured. Used to be that being a member of Lloyds (not a customer) was a license to print money.
 
Lloyd's of London has been around a long time. They got to pay out for lost cargo and ships for British merchants lost to American privateers in 1775-1783.
 
Sandy Johnson said:
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I did have a pretty good laugh at this one tho.

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Well...from what I have seen out of most engineers...yes, I will argue with them.

My niece is a civil engineer...and does bridge inspections and builds. I haven't talked to her yet, but she is one of very few engineers with common sense and brains. Her dad was one of those guys that could do anything...woodworking, mechanical, design, whatever. No college education and if you had met him, you'd think he was the biggest bumpkin you'd ever met.

He designed in his head, without blueprints and built a covered bridge in his barn. 80-85' long. Wanted it to hold 10k. Once he finished it, he tested it and it held.
 
JD Mark said:
Well...from what I have seen out of most engineers...yes, I will argue with them.

My niece is a civil engineer...and does bridge inspections and builds. I haven't talked to her yet, but she is one of very few engineers with common sense and brains. Her dad was one of those guys that could do anything...woodworking, mechanical, design, whatever. No college education and if you had met him, you'd think he was the biggest bumpkin you'd ever met.

He designed in his head, without blueprints and built a covered bridge in his barn. 80-85' long. Wanted it to hold 10k. Once he finished it, he tested it and it held.
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I thought it was sort of a strawman since most of the tinfoil guys seem to be focusing on the boat. Maybe I'm just not on the cool kids websites or something.
 
87manche said:
are there background checks and the like for the crews done before they are hired?

I'd think so given how much money the ship+cargo is worth.

They may have already had much of the background information. Maybe the insurance company checks them all out?
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Meander to a big dock/shipyard sometime and find out if the folks are "vetted" before being hired on. I'd bet $ to doughnuts only the pilot taking the ship out of the harbor was credentialed.

What's more the ship was registered in Singapore so anything US rules related won't necessarily apply except maybe needing a passport to get off ship and possibly some its gotta float type rules. There's a real good reason for having non US registries including lack of inspections and costs.
 
DVanVorous said:
Meander to a big dock/shipyard sometime and find out if the folks are "vetted" before being hired on. I'd bet $ to doughnuts only the pilot taking the ship out of the harbor was credentialed.

What's more the ship was registered in Singapore so anything US rules related won't necessarily apply except maybe needing a passport to get off ship and possibly some its gotta float type rules. There's a real good reason for having non US registries including lack of inspections and costs.
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that's why I wondered about the insurance company.

everyone has to get insurance.
 
MigGunslinger said:
Around here you put an ad on marketplace for free scrap metal and the tweakers would have it broken down and hauled off by lunch time. Might need to call in the amphibious tweaker squad also known as river rats.
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Right through the middle of town, 10mph under the speed limit, 91 chevy with what looks like 800k miles on it, pulling a trailer made from a mobile home frame, loaded with 2 sticks of bridge channel 60% longer than the trailer frame tied down with leftover nylon fishing trotline. Mismatched rubber boots upside down stuffed between the bed and the cab.
 
45acp said:
Right through the middle of town, 10mph under the speed limit, 91 chevy with what looks like 800k miles on it, pulling a trailer made from a mobile home frame, loaded with 2 sticks of bridge channel 60% longer than the trailer frame tied down with leftover nylon fishing trotline. Mismatched rubber boots upside down stuffed between the bed and the cab.
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I put that right into the ai image generator.

it does not understand you.
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Sandy Johnson said:
I don't actually see anything driving that other than stuff I see on irate and maybe 1 or 2 of my buddies voicing that opinion on Facebook.

What stood out to me was the flood of social media posts shooting that theory down or making fun of it. The response seems disproportionate to how much it's actually being thrown out there as a theory.
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I also have noticed this.

Overall, from what I'm seeing... there's a handful of conspiracy posts and 1000's of 'making fun of the tinfoil' on this one. The ratio is waaaay off compared to all other weird shit from the new roaring 20's. Usually it's the opposite. At best not even close to 50/50. But on this one, it's 2 guys saying Soros did it and 500 memes making fun of those 2 guys.

It's like the government admitting UFO's are real. Now I don't believe in UFO's.
 
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