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Libertarians- “keep getting your 3% every four years”

Roc Doc said:
You don't think prison gangs, street gangs and cartels don't have org charts?
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Yeah they have org charts and "process" but it's generally not codified and even if it's codified it's not generally written down and generally the boss can overrule all within the scope of his authority. When you add all that up I'm sure if I'd call that "due process"

Drug trafficking is really interesting because they basically have to find a DIY way to settle all their petty business disputes normal businesses use courts for. Makes for a good illustrative example for how courts are just vending machines for state violence.
 
Again,
I'm no .gov promoter or "rah-rah" guy, but.......
Now, seat belts, airbags and third brake lights are a bad thing?
I get the "Let me decide when I want to use them" mentality.
I also know that "I don't want to pay for your Vegitible Ass" when you "decide" you don't want to use simple safety devices.

Am I the bad person for that?
Again, do I think stuff should be "mandated"? Some yes, most, NO.

I think the biggest problem today is that people:
A) Don't pay attention to actual "language"
B) Don't look at what is best for the "Greater Good" (there's some historical document about that :homer:)
C) Don't fucking care, which has led to our current condition
 
Bogus One said:
Again,
I'm no .gov promoter or "rah-rah" guy, but.......
Now, seat belts, airbags and third brake lights are a bad thing?
I get the "Let me decide when I want to use them" mentality.
I also know that "I don't want to pay for your Vegitible Ass" when you "decide" you don't want to use simple safety devices.

Am I the bad person for that?
Again, do I think stuff should be "mandated"? Some yes, most, NO.

I think the biggest problem today is that people:
A) Don't pay attention to actual "language"
B) Don't look at what is best for the "Greater Good" (there's some historical document about that :homer:)
C) Don't fucking care, which has led to our current condition
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I don't want all this nanny shit forced on me, fuck you for wanting me to have any of that, you want it make it an option and you can pay for it.
 
FJC11 said:
I don't want all this nanny shit forced on me, fuck you for wanting me to have any of that, you want it make it an option and you can pay for it.
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Hey, Dipshit
You think I want any of this forced on me? Hell No
Guess what, it's already forced on you.
 
Bogus One said:
Again,
I'm no .gov promoter or "rah-rah" guy, but.......
Now, seat belts, airbags and third brake lights are a bad thing?
I get the "Let me decide when I want to use them" mentality.
I also know that "I don't want to pay for your Vegitible Ass" when you "decide" you don't want to use simple safety devices.

Am I the bad person for that?
Again, do I think stuff should be "mandated"? Some yes, most, NO.

I think the biggest problem today is that people:
A) Don't pay attention to actual "language"
B) Don't look at what is best for the "Greater Good" (there's some historical document about that :homer:)
C) Don't fucking care, which has led to our current condition
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A friend of mines father worked for a state govt when they were looking at eliminating their helmet law. The recomendation from his dept was for eliminating the mandatory helmet law.

The depts reasoning for the decision was that it cost the state too much money caring for invalids caused by people surviving motorcycle accidents.

Getting rid of the helmet law decreased the number of people surviving with major disabilities that the state would have to help pay for, in one form or another.
 
Stuck said:
A friend of mines father worked for a state govt when they were looking at eliminating their helmet law. The recomendation from his dept was for eliminating the mandatory helmet law.

The depts reasoning for the decision was that it cost the state too much money caring for invalids caused by people surviving motorcycle accidents.

Getting rid of the helmet law decreased the number of people surviving with major disabilities that the state would have to help pay for, in one form or another.
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The price of freedom, you choose and deal with the outcome.
 
Stuck said:
A friend of mines father worked for a state govt when they were looking at eliminating their helmet law. The recomendation from his dept was for eliminating the mandatory helmet law.

The depts reasoning for the decision was that it cost the state too much money caring for invalids caused by people surviving motorcycle accidents.

Getting rid of the helmet law decreased the number of people surviving with major disabilities that the state would have to help pay for, in one form or another.
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Sounds like sound "Goverment" decisions
 
FJC11 said:
Yes but it's your choice to do so, thumbs up.
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Exactly
If it was a '22 Runner, I would expect (and accept) all the air-bag bullshit. I'd never own a '22 Runner, but I think you get my point.
 
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Bogus One said:
Again,
I'm no .gov promoter or "rah-rah" guy, but.......
Now, seat belts, airbags and third brake lights are a bad thing?
I get the "Let me decide when I want to use them" mentality.
I also know that "I don't want to pay for your Vegitible Ass" when you "decide" you don't want to use simple safety devices.

Am I the bad person for that?
Again, do I think stuff should be "mandated"? Some yes, most, NO.

I think the biggest problem today is that people:
A) Don't pay attention to actual "language"
B) Don't look at what is best for the "Greater Good" (there's some historical document about that :homer:)
C) Don't fucking care, which has led to our current condition
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Who said you would have to pay if someone isn't using those installed safety devices and crashes? The fact our current socialist system is setup in a way that you would even make that statement is the problem. "You need to use those safety devices by force so I don't have to pay if you crash..... Well I have to pay anyway even if you do get hurt using those, but still!!". Let the market decide what safety devices are needed and what aren't, there is an incentive to sell the safest car out there vs a death trap.

Go read up on regulatory capture and you will start to be enlightened on the regulatory state and why big corporations support it. Also start looking at the gov like it's a mob and it will change your views.
 
Bogus One said:
Again,
I'm no .gov promoter or "rah-rah" guy, but.......
Now, seat belts, airbags and third brake lights are a bad thing?
I get the "Let me decide when I want to use them" mentality.
I also know that "I don't want to pay for your Vegitible Ass" when you "decide" you don't want to use simple safety devices.

Am I the bad person for that?
Again, do I think stuff should be "mandated"? Some yes, most, NO.

I think the biggest problem today is that people:
A) Don't pay attention to actual "language"
B) Don't look at what is best for the "Greater Good" (there's some historical document about that :homer:)
C) Don't fucking care, which has led to our current condition
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No. Good ideas implemented voluntarily via market demand vs "good" ideas forced by govt strongarm. The spaghetti under the hood of the normal new vehicle is because of compliance, not efficiency. Dont pretend that a seat belt, which was implemented before govt mandate, is bad because now it is a requirement.
 
Bogus One said:
You're missing my point
For a Society to exist prosperisly, "someone" needs to be the "final say"

It's up to "us" to make sure that "someone" stays in their lane

Unfortunately, (obviously) that went away decades ago.

What I'm saying is, all you MFers are "Fuck .Gov", when deep down inside I would "hope" you realize that some form is necessary.

And, [486], I don't lie :mad3:
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You're pissing in the wind. Libertarians exist in a world where the concept of "property rights" or the right to "ownership" is some sort of cosmic rationality. It's not. They live on a figurative societal mountain supported totally by western Christian morality. Free from the actual, real existence of all of humanity, which is the Robert Mugabe Longhouse. An existence similar to Somalia or the Congo today. That's been our life experience as humanity for 5 million years. And only one secular human society created the conditions in which they can type into a keyboard their naive nonsense.


But hey man, "do unto others as you would yourself" or whatever I muster out of my weed fueled haze.
 
Slander said:
Who said you would have to pay if someone isn't using those installed safety devices and crashes?
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How are your Insurance Rates calculated?
Slander said:
The fact our current socialist system is setup in a way that you would even make that statement is the problem.
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Thank you for seeing my point
Slander said:
"You need to use those safety devices by force so I don't have to pay if you crash..... Well I have to pay anyway even if you do get hurt using those, but still!!".
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See above (although, take out the "by force" part)
Slander said:
Let the market decide what safety devices are needed and what aren't, there is an incentive to sell the safest car out there vs a death trap.
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I get that, and agree
Slander said:
Go read up on regulatory capture and you will start to be enlightened on the regulatory state and why big corporations support it. Also start looking at the gov like it's a mob and it will change your views.
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If you think my views are "pro gov", well, whatever
 
Ebs said:
Regulatory agencies need to be gutted across the board, they are unchecked and out of control.
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I wholeheartedly agree with this, and I think some of you are not picking up what I'm throwing down.
 
Bogus One said:
I wholeheartedly agree with this, and I think some of you are not picking up what I'm throwing down.
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Maybe off on the wrong foot since "I'm responsible for your hospital bills" has been the default for the advocates of more regulatory horse shit.
 
Bogus One said:
I think the biggest problem today is that people:

B) Don't look at what is best for the "Greater Good"
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There’s no such thing. Greater good for who? Not the big strong guy who is expected to do the work of 5 so the other 4 can subsist having contributed fucking nothing. The greater good is kicking you off a piece of land you’ve slaved for so a road can be built on it. Fuck your work, fuck your rights, fuck your dreams.

Take that Covid vaccine. Everyone is going to die if you don’t take this shit you plague rat. Fuck your free will, fuck your common sense, if you don’t take it you’ll be terminated from work and without you shouldn’t be allowed into an emergency room. It’s for the greater good after all.
 
YZRider said:
Maybe off on the wrong foot since "I'm responsible for your hospital bills" has been the default for the advocates of more regulatory horse shit.
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I get it.
Do your stupid shit, as long as I don't have to pay for it.
BUT.......
We all know that the dipshits we all watch on YT or Insta that end up in the hospital cost us money

welcome to Society

It's a no win argument,

All you assholes are the reason my life is so expensive :flipoff2:
 
Bogus One said:
How are your Insurance Rates calculated?

Thank you for seeing my point

See above (although, take out the "by force" part)

I get that, and agree

If you think my views are "pro gov", well, whatever
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Any law is the by force part because that's the only lever the government has to pull on you. As for insurance, that's also mandated by the state, by force/by law.

And yes I view your views as very pro government be a use you are literally arguing as to why we need a government.
 
Slander said:
As for insurance, that's also mandated by the state, by force/by law.
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Ever had a 3 vehicles totaled by an uninsured "non-citizen"? Glad I paid for the extra coverage.
You total my shit, I'll just take it out of your hide, that OK?

AGAIN,
Gov't has a limited place.

Slander
"Any law is the by force part"

Give us your wisdom to "Make This Country Great"
 
Bogus One said:
welcome to Society
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gobbless borther
our boys on patrol gotta get some SUPPORT they keep the clibbins off the road so we don't gotta layerdown
oughta be a law against questioning the GOVERNMENT us of A not us of GAY, ok?

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