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John Deere workers on strike

jimmy123456789 said:
Yes I’m aware of that and I agree that there should be some kind of dealer approved scan tool that should be available to those who wish to service their own equipment, which they could charge a hefty premium for. Not having that option is complete bullshit I agree, IMO they can charge quite a bit and make some serious money by doing so.

Chrysler did a similar thing in 2017-18, making you pay for a yearly subscription fee (and either the factory scan tool or a Snap On one) in order to access anything besides the PCM, read codes and data, use bidirectional controls, etc. Autel had a workaround that involved bypassing the security gateway module, but that’s no longer viable as Chrysler fixed that in a flash update. It sucks, it’s bullshit, but it’s what I have to do in order to keep current with what’s out there. Another reason I despise CDJR.

Until John Deere decides (read: is forced to) to play ball, jail breaking or going to the dealer remains the only option. Or buying older equipment…but YMMV with that.

“I enjoy describing how things are, I have no interest in how they ought to be, and I certainly have no interest in fixing them. My motto: fuck hope.” - George Carlin
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Keep in mind general scale of equipment here. Comparing getting your chrysler hooked and towed a few miles to the nearest fixit shop where Jimmyalphabet has paid his access fee to troubleshoot is quite a bit different than having to half disassemble a combine in the field, get it pulled on to a heavy trailer, it is still too wide and generally needs a travel permit, then truck that beast several hundred miles to the JD dealer and have to sit in line waiting repair because every other JD operator has to do the same, and wait a few months to get a sensor swapped and do all that same shit to get your machine back, all the while watching profits evaporate in your field because you couldnt harvest when you should have. Many, if not most, of the AG equipment is not near any town and is extremely inconvenient to transport. Repair in the field is infinitely more logical, but it requires the owner to be able to troubleshoot. Or build a system that will allow non-JD businesses access to JD systems to provide timely field repair. Honestly, JD is shooting themselves in the foot on this. Ag people are at their core do-it-yourselfer types, not the suburban starbux sippers pay-others-to-fix types. The fact that JD is not taking advantage of that is really backward.
 
No shit. My loaders and excavators weigh in at 110,000#+. . It cost me a couple hundred bucks to put it on the trailer then $120/hr+ to get where it needs to go.
 
clodhopper said:
And to do that all to find and replace a $50 sensor that has sent the rig into limp mode or worse, brick mode.
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It's easy, just call the local service provider and at their earliest convenience they'll send out jimmyblahblah's equally as retarded cousin to scan it and then order the part. It should only take a week or so to get it and to find the time to return to the scene to replace, charging you for another service call. No problem though, they're happy to help you, peasant. Be happy they're around.
 
DWT said:
It's easy, just call the local service provider and at their earliest convenience they'll send out jimmyblahblah's equally as retarded cousin to scan it and then order the part. It should only take a week or so to get it and to find the time to return to the scene to replace, charging you for another service call. No problem though, they're happy to help you, peasant. Be happy they're around.
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Yeah, right. IF the dealer is even doing field visits, they are mostly scheduling out months in the future. Fuk yo schedule.
 
jimmy123456789 said:
The same shit that is happening to The agriculture industry that’s happening with cars. Need dealer level tools to program and calibrate modules and such. I’ve got news for you fuckers, it’s not going away. I’m sure guys whined about the switch from carbs to fuel injection saying it was the end of the average man being able to work on their own car, yet here we are 30+ years later still able to work on our cars, albeit with a few more tools in the box.

I’m all for right to repair but the notion that these modern machines should have the same “ease” of serviceability as older machines is fucking stupid. The way I see it you have two options, much like vehicles.

1. Buy older shit that doesn’t have all the bells and whistles and stop bitching.

2. Learn how to service the newer machines (OMG you might have to learn something/spend money :flipoff2:) and stop bitching.

Bitching about it ain’t gonna change it.

Just like all the fuckers that whine and cry about the price of this or that, bitching ain’t gonna lower the price, either fork over the money or do without, but please shut the fuck up about “shits so expensive nowadays” because it’s horseshit.
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Kiss my dick, bitch. After you slather it with anti-seize, of course.
 
clodhopper said:
If you can get your hands on it. JD says it is available. Call around and you will quickly see that the $4500 of "tools" to fix yer shit is rarer than hen's teeth.
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According to RDO they can have one to me by Tuesday but that's on the yellow iron side.

I'm more curious who doesn't require all of the same shit as Deere does. Cat does for sure, Ford and Toyota both require a $800 a year subscription. Who doesn't?
 
MuntCuffin said:
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Kiss my dick, bitch. After you slather it with anti-seize, of course.
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Reality sting too much? Bitch
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You either keep up with the times or the times overtake you.

Or buy old shit, dumbass

Didn’t expect a real response to a well thought out post, business as usual here on Irate, where a clever “insult” “wins” any argument.
 
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MuntCuffin said:
Nah, I don't expect reality from some cocky know nothing wyotech flunky that put sparkplugs in a Ford focus like a big boy mechanic.

There's workarounds for everything. :smokin:
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Yes there are work around, in the case of John Deere serviceability there’s jail breaking them or sending it to the dealer, my point being that bitching and whining that it’s bullshit or that it costs to much to fix it doesn’t change the fact that you have to adapt and deal with it. That’s life, bitch :flipoff2:
 

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clodhopper said:
You completely misunderstand the "right-to-repair" issue. Has nothing to do with laziness. Let me get you up to speed. JD refuses to allow access to on-board computers to allow people to troubleshoot and repair their own, or even for private repair shops to purchase the equipment to troubleshoot. Thereby forcing owners to transport unwieldy and oversized equipment back to a dealer for every little issue because the dealers have enough business that they cannot be bothered to make field visits. With thousands of sensors on a combine, you have to have access to the machine's computer to even start working through problems. The option is to jailbreak your combine and accept that you will never be able to take it to a JD servicer ever again.
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One thing I disagree with is you don’t have to haul your oversized equipment to a dealer to have a service tech plug his laptop into it. Most all Deere dealers have field service tech to go to the customers location to preform diagnostic test.
 
Landslide said:
One thing I disagree with is you don’t have to haul your oversized equipment to a dealer to have a service tech plug his laptop into it. Most all Deere dealers have field service tech to go to the customers location to preform diagnostic test.
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And they're booked way out already. Farming is a time sensitive job, ain't nobody got time to wait a week for a piece of equipment to get fixed. :homer:
 
DWT said:
And they're booked way out already. Farming is a time sensitive job, ain't nobody got time to wait a week for a piece of equipment to get fixed. :homer:
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Most jobs out there are time sensitive :homer:
 
I drive by thousands of acres of corn and bean ground every day. Some of these farmers run 4K+ acres. I never see a machine sitting waiting on a tech. I’m aware they occasionally break down but some of you are acting like this is a daily issue.
 
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Tin Roof said:
I drive by thousands of corn and bean ground every day. Some of these farmers run 4K+ acres. I never see a machine sitting waiting on a tech. I’m aware they occasionally break down but some of you are acting like this is a daily issue.
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Lol do you run equipment like this? Any day any time anything could happen. My neighbors combine was down for 2 days last week because the john Deere tech could not get it working. Took the tech over 15 hrs of diagnostic time to figure out the brushes on a motor where bad when running, they tested good when at rest. I was teasing him he’s gonna get a $2000 labor/mileage bill for a $200 part.

This is the stupid shit you have to deal with. All the while the beans are dry and need to be harvested.
 
my friend snapped a chain on the combine last week.
we all had to go walk a field at 10 pm to find the fucker to put it back in operation so it could be run until 3 am because beans needed harvesting and rain was coming in the next 24 hours.

now what if you couldn't fix the machine at 10PM because it needs a tech to login to it and tell it that the widget you just installed is it's actual widget?
FWIW she just bought a new new tractor and it was a Case.
I guess we're gonna see how that fiat life works out. She said all the controls are weird. I haven't fucked with it.
 
DWT said:
Sure but if you don't have the carpet for a remodel are bugs going to eat the house because you couldn't fumigate the place?

Agriculture is time sensitive on a schedule that isn't all that negotiable.
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A contractor has a time limit to get a job they bid done in a deadline. Equipment down cost them time and money. Paying labors to stand around because a machine is down cost the contractor. They don’t have time to wait a month for a service tech to come look at their equipment no matter what brand it is.

I guess you have bugs in your carpet, you should take care of that huh.
 
ThePanzerFuhrer said:
Lol do you run equipment like this? Any day any time anything could happen. My neighbors combine was down for 2 days last week because the john Deere tech could not get it working. Took the tech over 15 hrs of diagnostic time to figure out the brushes on a motor where bad when running, they tested good when at rest. I was teasing him he’s gonna get a $2000 labor/mileage bill for a $200 part.

This is the stupid shit you have to deal with. All the while the beans are dry and need to be harvested.
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Used to. Grew up farming and we ran older equipment so we had plenty of repairs to do. Two of my best friends run roughly 5k acres of crops between the two of them. One has 2 combines so he can run beans and corn at the same time. Now I use equipment on a smaller scale on construction sites. I also have customers that load to rail and barge, and get night/weekend calls when they are down.

I’m aware anything can happen at any time, I’m also aware that breakdowns are not so common during harvest that guys are constantly sitting for weeks because of them. Maybe a couple days and that’s not the end of the world.
 
Slight sidetrack, I’ve been seeing more CLAAS combines the last few years. What’s the skinny on that company? Good, bad?
 
Tin Roof said:
Slight sidetrack, I’ve been seeing more CLAAS combines the last few years. What’s the skinny on that company? Good, bad?
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According to my buddy, only since I've asked about claas and kinze recently, the claas is better at production and loss or some efficiency metric...

Or something, he was throwing around too many farm terms.
 
Tin Roof said:
Slight sidetrack, I’ve been seeing more CLAAS combines the last few years. What’s the skinny on that company? Good, bad?
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Theres a huge farm here that runs a claas, chopping silage. Having walked a field after it, there is nothing on the ground. Other than stubble, you would be hard pressed to find a kernel of corn, a piece of leaf, or chunk of stalk.
 
Landslide said:
A contractor has a time limit to get a job they bid done in a deadline. Equipment down cost them time and money. Paying labors to stand around because a machine is down cost the contractor. They don’t have time to wait a month for a service tech to come look at their equipment no matter what brand it is.

I guess you have bugs in your carpet, you should take care of that huh.
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But the job can still get done. If your tractor is down so you can't plant the field you have no crop this no income. If a contractor doesn't get a job done on time or has guys standing around jerking their gherkin it just cost money not the entire livelihood. Stop channelling your inner :gary:
 
clodhopper said:
You completely misunderstand the "right-to-repair" issue. Has nothing to do with laziness. Let me get you up to speed. JD refuses to allow access to on-board computers to allow people to troubleshoot and repair their own, or even for private repair shops to purchase the equipment to troubleshoot. Thereby forcing owners to transport unwieldy and oversized equipment back to a dealer for every little issue because the dealers have enough business that they cannot be bothered to make field visits. With thousands of sensors on a combine, you have to have access to the machine's computer to even start working through problems. The option is to jailbreak your combine and accept that you will never be able to take it to a JD servicer ever again.
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I swear the people who post this shit on the internet have never touched a Deere machine and dont know dick about working on machines.
I own Deere/Cat/Komatsu machines from 2005-2019, all 3 of them show the codes in their monitor and the Deere/Komatsu show various readings in the monitor for troubleshooting. I purchased the manuals from the manufacturer that tell you what the codes are and even tell you how to troubleshoot things.
Ive never had the need for an EDL/Service Advisor, if you replace a controller then yes, you will need an EDL/Service advisor to program it. If you replace a calibrated engine component then you will need to have it programmed. Please tell me of a single manufacturer who does things differently? I own GM and Fords stuff to, its no different.

Fuck the union is what I say, I hope they burn, but they wont. They will come to an agreement and you retards will go back to posting false shit about working on equipment you know nothing about.
 
DWT said:
But the job can still get done. If your tractor is down so you can't plant the field you have no crop this no income. If a contractor doesn't get a job done on time or has guys standing around jerking their gherkin it just cost money not the entire livelihood. Stop channelling your inner :gary:
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Keeping those guys working is a contractors livelihood. It’s the exact same thing. Contractors are typically hard bidding big projects. Loss of revenue to downtime is a profit killer in any industry. Not just ag.
 
Tin Roof said:
Keeping those guys working is a contractors livelihood. It’s the exact same thing. Contractors are typically hard bidding big projects. Loss of revenue to downtime is a profit killer in any industry. Not just ag.
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But does the building fall down so the contractor is just flat out all the money in rated and has no other income if there is a delay?

If a farmers tractor goes down and it snows before they get winter wheat in the ground they're assed out on that crop.

I realize delays cost cash but a delay in construction is not the same as it can be in agriculture.
 
Baconator said:
I swear the people who post this shit on the internet have never touched a Deere machine and dont know dick about working on machines.
I own Deere/Cat/Komatsu machines from 2005-2019, all 3 of them show the codes in their monitor and the Deere/Komatsu show various readings in the monitor for troubleshooting. I purchased the manuals from the manufacturer that tell you what the codes are and even tell you how to troubleshoot things.
Ive never had the need for an EDL/Service Advisor, if you replace a controller then yes, you will need an EDL/Service advisor to program it. If you replace a calibrated engine component then you will need to have it programmed. Please tell me of a single manufacturer who does things differently? I own GM and Fords stuff to, its no different.

Fuck the union is what I say, I hope they burn, but they wont. They will come to an agreement and you retards will go back to posting false shit about working on equipment you know nothing about.
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Thank you sir, you are exactly right. And when I try to explain to people about the calibrated engine component being a result of the EPA they try saying stuff such as "well so and so doesn't!" And I say "it doesn't run like a Deere does it?"
 
DWT said:
But does the building fall down so the contractor is just flat out all the money in rated and has no other income if there is a delay?

If a farmers tractor goes down and it snows before they get winter wheat in the ground they're assed out on that crop.

I realize delays cost cash but a delay in construction is not the same as it can be in agriculture.
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That’s pretty fucking dramatic.
There‘s ways to get it done. Rentals, custom planters/harvesters, etc. I know the lifestyle very well, you are over dramatizing the situations.
 
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