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Doesn't sound like he did, according to Tiha.
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Doesn't sound like he did, according to Tiha.
Tiha
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I simplified it as much as possible. Over simplified maybe.
Just trying to get people to see why it was wrong.
It isn't just that he did it on purpose as much as he did it over and over and over with a single intention of using monsanto products without buying from Monsanto.
That proves the intent to defraud.
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OK, so he bought a mix of seed? Had some Monsanto stuff in it?
And then tested it to determine what was and what wasn't?
I'm open to being wrong, how did he get the Monsanto seed without paying for it?
Tiha
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He bought seed harvested from Monsanto seed.
Bowman v. Monsanto Co. - Wikipedia.
In EDIT: in case y'all don't know, up until this point hybrid seeds were unable to reproduce an exact duplicate of itself in a current years crop. That is part of what made Monsato's seed unique and why they had such air tight wording in their end use agreements.
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So he DID buy them from Monsanto in the first place.
My opinion stands.
SCOTUS has made a lot of bad decisions...eminent domain, civil asset forfeiture.
Tiha
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Never bought from Monsanto.
Bowman purchased these soybean seeds from the same elevator to which he and neighbors sold their soybean crops, many of which were transgenic,[7] and the elevator sold these soybeans as commodities, not as seeds for planting.[7][8][9] He tested the new seeds, and found that, as he had expected, some were transgenic and thus were resistant to glyphosate.
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It doesn't take a lab to find round up ready beans. They look different and taste different. You can pick them out of a basket pretty easy if you wanted to.
I was farming when this all went down. My dad and a few neighbors refused to use the seed because congress was talking about banning it. Or the FDA or someone and nobody knew for sure that the elevator would take them when they were harvested in the fall.
We also saw guys kill entire crops because apparently you can use too much round up. They are apparently round up resistant, not immune LOL
Bowman purchased these soybean seeds from the same elevator to which he and neighbors sold their soybean crops, many of which were transgenic,[7] and the elevator sold these soybeans as commodities, not as seeds for planting.[7][8][9] He tested the new seeds, and found that, as he had expected, some were transgenic and thus were resistant to glyphosate.
[Actually I will add more info to help clarify.
It doesn't take a lab to find round up ready beans. They look different and taste different. You can pick them out of a basket pretty easy if you wanted to.
I was farming when this all went down. My dad and a few neighbors refused to use the seed because congress was talking about banning it. Or the FDA or someone and nobody knew for sure that the elevator would take them when they were harvested in the fall.
We also saw guys kill entire crops because apparently you can use too much round up. They are apparently round up resistant, not immune LOL
Tiha
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I agree completely and I think most of the time I would agree with you. I think I have a very different opinion on this one because it did hit very close to home.
That farmer wasn't just stealing from Monsanto, he was stealing from us or every other farmer that was playing by the rules. The more seed sold properly the price comes down eventually. Enough people cheat the system and the price stays up.
I am sure there are other farmers still getting away with that stuff, good for them but I don't want to know about it.
He did not.
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ugh, that guy again?
I recall some of that shit was about cross-pollination
had to cut the tassles off the gene-mod corn to keep it from turning all the corn in fields all around into gene-mod corn too
because the corn's genes is half and half from the plant and the pollen
guys were getting sued for having corn that had been pollinated with monsanto's patented genetics, as though it was intentional or whatever
had to cut the tassles off the gene-mod corn to keep it from turning all the corn in fields all around into gene-mod corn too
because the corn's genes is half and half from the plant and the pollen
guys were getting sued for having corn that had been pollinated with monsanto's patented genetics, as though it was intentional or whatever
Tiha is doing a good job of covering it.
What this guy did was smart, but still illegal.
He just bought soybeans from a mill knowing that odds are there was Monsanto beans in the mix. You don’t have to buy actual seed, you can plant the beans and they’ll grow. They just don’t have the herbicide/pesticide etc additives that a true seed does.
If you sort though all of the info out there on this, he knew that if he planted the seeds and sprayed with roundup only the Monsanto seeds would survive. So he did that to sort them out and then kept back x-amount of the bean harvest every year to reuse as seed for the next year.
He knowingly and intentionally worked around their copyright.
Those are the lawsuits that are over-reaching. There’s no intent to steal the genetics.
Tiha
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Cross pollination is how Seed CORN is created. Or at least part of the process in creating a hybrid seed corn.
It is intentionally planted that way. 5 rows of corn, then 2 rows of the hybrid.
You detassel the 5 rows and the 2 rows of hybrid pollinate the remaining 5.
Did I say that right, I think so.
I am sure there are lawsuits like you are talking but I am not familiar with any of them.
That’s how I remember it. I spent a summer in the early 90’s walking those rows pulling tassels.
Tiha
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Me too, bought my first boom box with the money. LOL I did it mid 80s though.
I am thinking it was 4 rows not 5? Long time ago.
Anyway, yeah freezing and wet from the Dew till about 9 am then sweating wet and dying from the heat by noon. Good times!
We did the rogue pruning too. Where basically you ran down the 2 rows of tasseled corn and anything that was too tall or too short you kicked it over.
Every kid should do that and walk beans for a week of their life.
From what I understand, Monsanto doesn't go after people that accidentally get some cross pollination or end up with a small portion of their product. They're more likely to send you a sternly worded letter to tell you to knock it off or make sure you don't use any seed from the identified crops and you won't hear from them again. What they do go after are people like the one in question here that intentionally and knowingly violate their copyright or patents and even after being warned, keep thinking they're smarter than everyone else and eventually get their little peckers slapped. People that cite the "they've filed 144 lawsuits against farmers" seem to ignore that they've only taken 11 to trial. The others were likely dropped completely when the farmers agreed to knock it off, or they paid a fair price for the seed they were effectively stealing.
Tiha
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And the effect starts to trickle down.
Gates Corporation, a fluid power and power transmission solutions manufacturer, has announced it's laying off 41 workers at its Newton location later this year.
The closure was posted on the Iowa Workforce Development's WARN notification list.
Frank Liebl, the executive director of the Newton Development Corporation, said it wasn't that big of a shock considering John Deere is one of the company's primary partners.
"I was kind of surprised, and then, yet again, not surprised because I knew one of their big customers was John Deere," he said.
Liebl said the Gates Corporation has been a John Deere supplier since the business first came to Newton in 2017.
"When things happen, when your client, your customer stops ordering, you probably don't have a choice," he said.
He says for those who are left jobless, the city will work hard to find them new positions.
"We'll do what we can to it's just the those that are employed and will reach out to us and try to work with them the best way we can," Liebl said.
Liebl also said that every business comes with its own highs and lows.
And that while it's difficult to know exactly what's coming for John Deere, he sees a brighter future ahead.
"John Deere obviously depends on the farm economy," Liebl said. "If prices improve and costs come down, I think things will bounce back."
According to the posting, all of the workers will officially be laid off in November.
Gates Corporation, a fluid power and power transmission solutions manufacturer, has announced it's laying off 41 workers at its Newton location later this year.
The closure was posted on the Iowa Workforce Development's WARN notification list.
Frank Liebl, the executive director of the Newton Development Corporation, said it wasn't that big of a shock considering John Deere is one of the company's primary partners.
"I was kind of surprised, and then, yet again, not surprised because I knew one of their big customers was John Deere," he said.
Liebl said the Gates Corporation has been a John Deere supplier since the business first came to Newton in 2017.
"When things happen, when your client, your customer stops ordering, you probably don't have a choice," he said.
He says for those who are left jobless, the city will work hard to find them new positions.
"We'll do what we can to it's just the those that are employed and will reach out to us and try to work with them the best way we can," Liebl said.
Liebl also said that every business comes with its own highs and lows.
And that while it's difficult to know exactly what's coming for John Deere, he sees a brighter future ahead.
"John Deere obviously depends on the farm economy," Liebl said. "If prices improve and costs come down, I think things will bounce back."
According to the posting, all of the workers will officially be laid off in November.
The quality of product that's going to come out of that place from now until November will be sub par at best. Do they really think their soon to be laid off employees are going to give one single fuck about the quality of work they do from now to November?
I've talked to some of the guys that work at one of the Deere facilities, they said morale is at a snakes belly level. Even with the office staff. Now is when all of the backstabbing really ramps up too.
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Nobody is making them take that loan....
You should read up on the 80’s farm crisis and what lead up to it, and how this is starting to look familiar.
Yes, nobody is forcing them to take out those loans. However, if they are looking at large repair bills vs purchasing they are easily convinced.