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Yea they don't mind investing in that labor one bit.
Local rice farmer here got popped years ago. I think the "wind stolen seed" was an area along a road less than 2 acres.
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Local rice farmer here got popped years ago. I think the "wind stolen seed" was an area along a road less than 2 acres.
Which he knew was wrong and he could get in trouble for.
If it was an accident, then that’s a different story.
The farmer is butthurt he didn’t get away with it.
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My vote is for the farmer.
He bought the seeds initially.
He should be able to do what he wants with the seeds he collects/uses after that.
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I'm asking about the "grab some" part.
Seems like repo man type level of risky business to be in.
He bought beans from a mill knowing there was going to be monsanto beans in the batch. Took the time to test chemicals on them to see which ones would grow, which sorted out the monsanto beans. Then used them to grow crops for 6 or 8 years.
It's no different than just walking into a seed warehouse and taking them.
Like I said earlier, if he was doing this to a small company this would all be "that fucking thief" comments. But we blind ourselves when it's a large corporation.
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I dont know how you can see it that way
They are proprietary. The farmer knew that and purposely used them illegally. It would be different if he had no clue, but he methodically tested the beans until he sorted out the monsanto ones so he could use them.
Purposely and knowingly doing what he did makes the farmer wrong, which is why he lost the lawsuit.
It's pretty simple.
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Fuck bigseedco. Anything after initial purchase and what i do with it is mine. Engineer your shit to only grow once then.
Next time you go to the Dr they are going to tell you since the meds cured you your now owned by bigpharmaco.
Next time you go to the Dr they are going to tell you since the meds cured you your now owned by bigpharmaco.
That's why you just buy from other companies.
But if the one you buy from tells you up front not to do it, you can't act surprised when you get your hand slapped. That's my only point.
If monsanto didn't make it clear what their expectation were, that would be a different story.
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This is all bullshit though. The farmer had no contractual relationship with Monsanto nor did the grain mill. It was the grain mill's grain to sell. If Monsanto doesn't like it they should run their own grain mills and other infrastructure and stipulate that the people they sell seeds to only sell to them.
Its the intent. And knowing that it's ill intent.
Doing something you know is wrong and getting slapped for it shouldn't come as a surprise.
All this said, I agree with fuck monsanto. and BASF, and all of the companies that operate the way they do.
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Why is it wrong?
Articulate what is wrong about that.
Ain't no different than buying a tuner and unlocking a bunch of luxury options.
Monsanto doesn't allow you to use the seed as seed for ongoing years. This farmer knew that. He intentionally did what he did knowing he'd be in trouble if he got caught. That's the rub.
He did it on purpose, took a chance, got caught.
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It's fraud.
He took a product known to basically be copyrighted and copied it.
He took a product known to basically be copyrighted and copied it.
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So this is some wishy washy woman bullshit about morality?
The dude didn't violate any laws. Monsanto didn't suffer any loss beyond whatever bullshit their lawyers cooked up.
What the farmer did is little to no different than jumping through hoops to get your hands on something some company doesn't sell in your country.
Lolwat?
How is it fraud? Who was defrauded?
First sale doctrine. Look it up.
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His intent was to use monsanto products without paying Monsanto.
Let me use your credit card without paying you to use your credit card.
They lost sales/revenue on seeds they've purposely made proprietary to them due to the millions of dollars of development it's taken for the seeds to perform the way they do, which is well known in that industry. No different than stealing a patent.
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He paid for the seed initially.
Not from monsanto.
As far as I can tell, the misconceptions of the Monsanto lawsuits are right up there with the woman who got $1m from McDonalds because "her coffee was too hot". The vast people with negative opinions on them have never bothered to actually understands the facts and laws surrounding the cases.
Projectjunkie
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The Monsanto model is the subscription model, fuck them for that amongst other shit
But I get where tins example came from, the farmer tried to cheat the big money system and lost
Tin is only reporting the news
But I get where tins example came from, the farmer tried to cheat the big money system and lost
Tin is only reporting the news
Emotional reactions instead of taking the time to peel back the layers. It's easier to just say "fuck big corps, they can absorb a loss".
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Do tell.
Tell what?
Can you summarize the facts about the McDonald's lawsuit without looking it up?
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How I have misconceptions about Monsanto lawsuits.
Some old bag spilled hot coffee on her coochie and sued them. At that time, anyone with 1/10 of a functioning brain new McDonald's coffee was 1° lower than the hottest part of hell.
DWT
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The farmer mentioned above is a far cry from those that had no clue that their stuff was mixed by accident but they lose either way either through being nefarious or not.
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Not if he signed a contract saying he couldn't. He could have gone and bought someone else's seed because Im damn well confident Monsanto had a clause prohibiting reuse of the seed.
DWT
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I can't remember off the top of my head but there was a lawsuit involving natural bee pollination where the bee got pollen from Monsanto products and fertilized non Monsanto plants and the dude lost the lawsuit due to the DNA being cross pollinated with their stuff.
Absolutely fucked up way to force the whole area to buy their shit or suffer the same fate at the hands of innocent bees.
