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In the vein of ancient apocalypse.

Stuck said:
Jesus some of you are just stupid.
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:lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao:

any time you want to explain your ramps there smart guy, I'm all ears.


Just like a petulant child to cry when they don't have the intelligence to explain themselves.
 

Shipping the stone blocks for the pyramids on the Nile and the Nile channel

Shipping the stone blocks for the pyramids on the Nile and the Nile channel- a new method by Franz Löhner. Loading and unloading heavy stones - Steering the barges
www.cheops-pyramide.ch

Rollers are easy. The ships are easy. A lot of this is elaborated on ad infinitum in addition to the glyphs, the writing by the Egyptinas themselves depicting the floating and rolling of blocks for the pyramids. I already posted this , but OK. I don't claim to be knowledgeable in Egyptology or applied mechanical engineering but some of this is elementary.
 
45acp said:
I don't think you realize what all we're finding in recent years with lidar drones and ground penetrating radar. The rain forest is covered with huge cities. There's 15k year old shit all up under the 3-4k year old shit we've previously considered the beginnings of civilization.

Homo's were not just simple hunters gatherers during the last ice age.
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I agree. That was my point all along. I believe they did have some forms of "technology" cranes and such. May not have been CAT powered, more like slave powered but it wasnt all push and pull.
 
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Capacity of transporting:
There are chronicles on papyrus [2], where ships are listed, which transported sandstone blocks from the quarries of Gebel Silsila to the Ramesseum. Calculations [1] show, that five to seven stone blocks (of 1 to 5 tons) resulting in a total of 15 to 20 tons were loaded on each ship and that daily about 64 stone blocks arrived from the quarries. When Franz Löhner calculates that 69 stones arrived daily in Giza by ship from the quarries in Tura this is actually very realistic.
arrow-right-braun.gif Detailed calculations how many workers were necessary to build the pyramid
arrow-right-braun.gif Quarrying stones for the pyramid

Transporting really large loads with ships on the Nile is also documented. A well known engraving in the temple of queen Hatshepsut shows the transport of two obelisks (each 323 tons [1]) on a barque from Aswan to Karnak (reconstruction from a partial relief from Deir el-Bahari). The ship should actually lay much lower in the water than shown. Another well known engraving is on a relief in the pyramid complex of Unas in Saqqara, which shows how columns were transported by ship.
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Transporting columns illustration
 
Splib said:
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Capacity of transporting:
There are chronicles on papyrus [2], where ships are listed, which transported sandstone blocks from the quarries of Gebel Silsila to the Ramesseum. Calculations [1] show, that five to seven stone blocks (of 1 to 5 tons) resulting in a total of 15 to 20 tons were loaded on each ship and that daily about 64 stone blocks arrived from the quarries. When Franz Löhner calculates that 69 stones arrived daily in Giza by ship from the quarries in Tura this is actually very realistic.
arrow-right-braun.gif Detailed calculations how many workers were necessary to build the pyramid
arrow-right-braun.gif Quarrying stones for the pyramid

Transporting really large loads with ships on the Nile is also documented. A well known engraving in the temple of queen Hatshepsut shows the transport of two obelisks (each 323 tons [1]) on a barque from Aswan to Karnak (reconstruction from a partial relief from Deir el-Bahari). The ship should actually lay much lower in the water than shown. Another well known engraving is on a relief in the pyramid complex of Unas in Saqqara, which shows how columns were transported by ship.
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Transporting columns illustration
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Dont confuse them with facts. It was aliens.
 
Splib said:

Shipping the stone blocks for the pyramids on the Nile and the Nile channel

Shipping the stone blocks for the pyramids on the Nile and the Nile channel- a new method by Franz Löhner. Loading and unloading heavy stones - Steering the barges
www.cheops-pyramide.ch

Rollers are easy. The ships are easy. A lot of this is elaborated on ad infinitum in addition to the glyphs, the writing by the Egyptinas themselves depicting the floating and rolling of blocks for the pyramids. I already posted this , but OK. I don't claim to be knowledgeable in Egyptology or applied mechanical engineering but some of this is elementary.
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yabut. That's either a lot of barges or a lot of trips for a few barges since they're only going to be able to haul 1 - 2 blocks each way.

Here's the part that doesn't jive well with me about the entire thing-

They're carving these blocks out of a quarry, so in theory, they could make the blocks any size they want. Somehow, with their method of moving them, it made sense to cut 1 big ass block, rather than sever smaller, more manageable blocks. If you look at all of the techniques suggested by people studying this type of thing so far, every single one of them would be easier done if the blocks were smaller in size.

So for me, it comes down to what technique were they using that it made sense to have huge blocks instead?
 
Splib said:
Capacity of transporting:
There are chronicles on papyrus [2], where ships are listed, which transported sandstone blocks from the quarries of Gebel Silsila to the Ramesseum. Calculations [1] show, that five to seven stone blocks (of 1 to 5 tons) resulting in a total of 15 to 20 tons were loaded on each ship and that daily about 64 stone blocks arrived from the quarries.
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Everything else that I've read calculates the pyramid blocks as being much heavier, but maybe I suck at searching?
 
Stuck said:
Dont confuse them with facts. It was aliens.
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Who the fuck has been talking about aliens in this thread? One guy maybe? So one guy is "them"?

You seem 'stuck' on this. Nobody here, or in the Rogan podcast on page 1, is saying aliens built shit for us.

:laughing:
 
Stuck said:
The dancing theory is plausible. Although not really in the way youre thinking. I saw a video just this past week wherea small group of people, maybe 12, danced a 15-20' easter island statue across a field pretty quickly. They used ropes tied up high spread forward to the sides and to the back and "walked" it like you would a tall cabinet up on end to move it by yourself. Just rocking it side to side and twisting. With a larger group you could move a much larger statue.

And for what itsworththedid have drummers keeping the tempo. So yeah they danced it across with music. I guess when simple fools even back then see the results of what they dont understand it must be magic or.......aliens.
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Link to watched video?



Splib said:
On rollers ?? :confused:
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Rollers made out of what, from where and how long will they last under a 100 ton block?
 
Tech Tim said:
Link to watched video?





Rollers made out of what, from where and how long will they last under a 100 ton block?
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It was either on youtube or the news feed when I opened MS Edge. Google should find it for you..
 
Sandy Johnson said:
So it looks like the average size of one of those blocks is 25 tons, or they can get up to 80 ish tons in some cases. How do you stack a 25 ton block on top of another 25 ton block using slaves and primitive tools? Seems like you'd need a ramp in there somewhere.
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Levers? Counterweights? Rollers? Pivots?

Jeezus, you are one helpless individual. Hope you never have to self-recover your rig with just the basics.
 
plym49.2 said:
Levers? Counterweights? Rollers? Pivots?

Jeezus, you are one helpless individual. Hope you never have to self-recover your rig with just the basics.
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Yes, because figuring out how to get a truck out of a mud hole with a broken ball joint is pretty much the same thing as hanging a 120 ton block in a ceiling 300 feet off the ground.

:laughing:
 
Moving large stones would be way easier if they were suspended between 2 barges. Displacement is on your side then. Also no need to struggle bus it onto the deck, just roll it in the water and strap it up.

All loads were going downstream so the block shape wouldnt be an issue.
 
Ever read Fingerprints of the Gods? Goes into pretty good detail on antiquities all across the globe. Tolerances on the pyramids, age of the sphinx, plus Central and South America ancient ruins. Crazy stuff.

Plus how much stuff from around the ice age time is 100+ feet deep in the ocean now?
 
45acp said:
Yes, because figuring out how to get a truck out of a mud hole with a broken ball joint is pretty much the same thing as hanging a 120 ton block in a ceiling 300 feet off the ground.

:laughing:
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Yes, because typing out an ignorant response on a laptop is pretty much the same as photolithography at the nanometer scale.

Just because you can't doesn't mean no one else can.
 
Sandy Johnson said:
You either need to look up "decry" in a dictionary or you haven't read anything I've posted.

I'm impressed with what they did and don't believe anyone is close to figuring out the techniques they used yet.
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I think it’s pretty obvious what they would’ve had to work with. The issue is that no one believes that they could’ve done it.
 
plym49.2 said:
I think it’s pretty obvious what they would’ve had to work with. The issue is that no one believes that they could’ve done it.
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I think the theories people have don't make any sense if it is taken into consideration they purposely cut the blocks large and heavy. There had to be a reason for that. I like the wet sand theory because having something with greater surface area might have been an advantage to floating on and sliding across the sand.

I also don't believe they could have built something like the great pyramid in the 20 year timeline some of the old texts claim with conventional techniques. So either that timeline is wrong or they figured out a way to move these blocks around really quickly.
 
45acp said:
Homo sapien is what, 400k years old? (probably more) How many "almost wiped out" world cataclysms have happened in the last half a million years? Quite a few I'd guess. Think about homo's (lol) in 2022 compared to 1522. Quite a bit of progress in 500 years. Imagine this happening over and over every 10k years or so. We get more advanced, a comet comes, bam we're cave people again. Thousands of years later we're cutting stone with sound generators and living in huge cities- bam another comet and we're back to the caves again.

This has probably happened several times. Maybe even many times.
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That would also explain why we’re so obsessed with catastrophes.
 
Sandy Johnson said:
I think the theories people have don't make any sense if it is taken into consideration they purposely cut the blocks large and heavy. There had to be a reason for that. I like the wet sand theory because having something with greater surface area might have been an advantage to floating on and sliding across the sand.

I also don't believe they could have built something like the great pyramid in the 20 year timeline some of the old texts claim with conventional techniques. So either that timeline is wrong or they figured out a way to move these blocks around really quickly.
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Or maybe they were cleverer than you know?
 
Stuck said:
The dancing theory is plausible. Although not really in the way youre thinking. I saw a video just this past week wherea small group of people, maybe 12, danced a 15-20' easter island statue across a field pretty quickly. They used ropes tied up high spread forward to the sides and to the back and "walked" it like you would a tall cabinet up on end to move it by yourself. Just rocking it side to side and twisting. With a larger group you could move a much larger statue.

And for what itsworththedid have drummers keeping the tempo. So yeah they danced it across with music. I guess when simple fools even back then see the results of what they dont understand it must be magic or.......aliens.
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Stuck said:


I watched a longer version but thats a clip of it, and without the stupid music.
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OK, that's pretty cool and quite plausible with a 9' tall, 4 ton statue.

Just curious, if that worked so well, why didn't they try it with a 32' tall, 80 ton statue like the real ones.

Scaling is a huge thing, especially when it comes to leverage and control.

From an article on the test:
The successful demonstration at Kualoa Ranch in Hawaii with a three metre tall, 4.35-tonne concrete replica moai, captured on video by the researchers, offers an alternative to the traditional hypothesis that the 887 statues, which stand as high as 32 feet and weigh up to 80 tons each, were rolled across the island, now know as Rapa Nui, on wooden logs.
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Sandy Johnson said:
They're carving these blocks out of a quarry, so in theory, they could make the blocks any size they want. Somehow, with their method of moving them, it made sense to cut 1 big ass block, rather than sever smaller, more manageable blocks. If you look at all of the techniques suggested by people studying this type of thing so far, every single one of them would be easier done if the blocks were smaller in size.

So for me, it comes down to what technique were they using that it made sense to have huge blocks instead?
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U-Pull Quarry Yard. Priced per block, you cut, no torches.
 
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