In the vein of ancient apocalypse.

[Splib]

"“Science based chemical time measurements” can never be proven correct cause no baseline measurements were taken at the beginning, but they have been proven incorrect on many occasions with fresh lava rocks that we saw molten still dating way older than they are…But hey, trust the science (tm) amirite?"

You know there are at least 4 geologic dating methods I can recount off the top of my head. All part of accepted and widely used earth science for DECADES. No one ever said they were PROVEN to be entirely correct. But they are used every day by thousands of people and they get good results using them. I think if you had any basic classical science education, say a first semester chemistry class, you might modify your belief to be more inclusive. Atoms and subatomic particles do not lie or cheat. They dont care. They exist and can be detected, quantitated and measured. Not taking a dig at you but attempting to get you to open your mind a little. If you believe in the atom bomb, you believe in radiometric dating. Tell me you do not believe in the atomic explosion over Hiroshima.

 

[DirtRoads]

They've almost lost me with all bickering about reputations and Twitter posts. Very unfortunate that they can't have a genuine discussion. Makes it very unlikely that Rogan will want to get in the middle of something similar in the future.

I finally finished it. They ended up chilling out a little as time went on.

They both sound a little nutty. Flint leans too hard into the woke perspective of Graham disenfranchising brown people because he says there was a (color unknown, could be green) third party.

 

[JK13]

"“Science based chemical time measurements” can never be proven correct cause no baseline measurements were taken at the beginning, but they have been proven incorrect on many occasions with fresh lava rocks that we saw molten still dating way older than they are…But hey, trust the science (tm) amirite?"

You know there are at least 4 geologic dating methods I can recount off the top of my head. All part of accepted and widely used earth science for DECADES. No one ever said they were PROVEN to be entirely correct. But they are used every day by thousands of people and they get good results using them. I think if you had any basic classical science education, say a first semester chemistry class, you might modify your belief to be more inclusive. Atoms and subatomic particles do not lie or cheat. They dont care. They exist and can be detected, quantitated and measured. Not taking a dig at you but attempting to get you to open your mind a little. If you believe in the atom bomb, you believe in radiometric dating. Tell me you do not believe in the atomic explosion over Hiroshima.

I’ve taken chemistry, as well as other basic sciences as well as researched shit myself cause the world around us is absolutely fascinating and I like learning how it all intertwines. I understand the concepts behind the dating methods. My point is with no baseline measurements of the quantities of different atoms, its all just a WAG. To say otherwise is disingenuous at best.

My mind has been open a long time and I’ve looked at both sides of the debate in depth. I’ve come to my conclusion and can’t change my mind at this point, once you see it you really cant unsee it.

It doesn’t sound like you have looked at it with an open mind, only trying to reinforce your preconceived beliefs which I totally understand, as once one domino falls its hard to stop the rest, once you see the matrix for what it is and all…

 

[Splib]

I’I understand the concepts behind the dating methods. My point is with no baseline measurements of the quantities of different atoms, its all just a WAG. To say otherwise is disingenuous at best.

You do not understand what you think you do. There is no change in the number of atoms. There is no change in mass. Just the decay from one form into another with resultant daughter products. Your statement proves you fo not understand the fundamental concepts. Proven fact

 

[JK13]

You do not understand what you think you do. There is no change in the number of atoms. There is no change in mass. Just the decay from one form into another with resultant daughter products. Your statement proves you fo not understand the fundamental concepts. Proven fact

Fuck man, I guess I understand why Iowaoffroad spells everything out in novel form. I feel you’re much more invested in “knowledge” cause aren’t you like a geologist or something? (Besides a Fed )

Im no scientist for sure, and I can’t eloquently elaborate on a bunch. I’m just a dumb welder, but I love this world and the internet is a wealth of information at your fingertips. I’ve looked at your side TRYING to disprove God, I honestly don’t believe you’ve given my side a fair shake Splib. Look up rebuttals for questions you would ask and answers from dudes who actually went to school for this shit (creation scientists) with the mindset of trying to prove yourself wrong. Or don’t, but the info is out there. There’s just way too much sophistication in the universe for this all to be through chance.

Like most everything in this world, Sin has corrupted the science.
The big bang and evolution, real original there! They rip off the order from Bible which has been saying this all for many thousands of years before “science” did
1)the bang, where everything came from nothing? Vs. Let there be light
2)the formation of the world flying through space from all that nothingness, hitting shit to gather enough different minerals to sustain live, the formation of the perfect atmosphere vs. God starting with a rock and some water, gave it the atmosphere, raised the land through volcanic activity, and raised the plants out of the ground (needed first there to sustain life)
3) single cells crawling from the oceans and evolving into everything ever alive on this planet vs. aquatic animals first then birds and land animals
4) then comes man from apes, what has “evolved” after man? Vs. Man is the pinnacle of creation, made in the image/likeness of our Creator with a consciousness not seen anywhere else in nature, made special to steward this world.

Evidence for an Ice age, yeah after a global flood and mass volcanic activity ripped this world a new one that will happen with all that precipitation. Erosion can happen quick with all that water. Valleys are fertile AF cause they’re the basins that caught all the shit settling in the water. All that water weight pushing down on everything settling, making fossils, volcanoes cooling, tectonics chilling out, the water being able to permeate and create the aquifers. The science is there if you can reconcile the whole God part.

“Science” thinks it can explain away God and the Bible because we don’t want that eternal accountability, but the deeper you dig the more it points to Him, Man. ✌🏻

 

[JK13]

Quick follow up, Demons are fallen angels and Angels can do some crazy stuff. I see no reason why demons couldn’t do some freaky shit to help alters get built to other “gods”. But that’s all like, helping them lift shit that the people already cut and made and such, not creating things out of nothing…That’s God territory

ETA: Aliens? Ghosts? Or Demons fuckin with us? Trying to distract us from the supernatural side of the world?

ETA2 Electric Boogaloo:
1)The Bible, the most widespread, most translated, most faithfully reproduced book by such a large margin its not even close.
2)All these other religions, they can get close (islam=justice, buddhist=love, afterlives, Native Americans w/ nature, “science” with knowledge) but they all rely on doing the “right things” not the grace and love of God.
3) worldwide christian music. Theres no other widespread themed religion music out there, cause its roots are in the truth. Singing songs to mohammed in Central America would be retarded

ETA the Third: I normally wouldn’t be all pushy in other threads, but it seems to fit with the theme nicely

 

[gladman]

only dicks spoil the santa thing for the chilluns. so, rock on amigo!

 

[Stuck]

Quick follow up, Demons are fallen angels and Angels can do some crazy stuff. I see no reason why demons couldn’t do some freaky shit to help alters get built to other “gods”. But that’s all like, helping them lift shit that the people already cut and made and such, not creating things out of nothing…That’s God territory

ETA: Aliens? Ghosts? Or Demons fuckin with us? Trying to distract us from the supernatural side of the world?

ETA2 Electric Boogaloo:
1)The Bible, the most widespread, most translated, most faithfully reproduced book by such a large margin its not even close.
2)All these other religions, they can get close (islam=justice, buddhist=love, afterlives, Native Americans w/ nature, “science” with knowledge) but they all rely on doing the “right things” not the grace and love of God.
3) worldwide christian music. Theres no other widespread themed religion music out there, cause its roots are in the truth. Singing songs to mohammed in Central America would be retarded

ETA the Third: I normally wouldn’t be all pushy in other threads, but it seems to fit with the theme nicely

Well I know one thing youve proven but it sure aint your timeline. I do know the world would be a much better place without ideologues, (zealots) whether they be religous or political, in it. Im sure your Jesus is so proud of his "Christians" and the death theyve caused in his name. It still never ceases to amaze me that whenever Im dealing with someone, in any kind of transaction, when then bullshit starts flowing its followed by Im a christian you can trust me. Ive found there are two types of religous people. The devout (ignorant and naive), and hucksters.

 

[ev13wt]

It lists the genealogy leading to Jesus from the first man Adam, with ages. So people have connected the dots to come up with roughly 4000 years to Jesus and then about 2024 years from then to now.

To be fair, that is assuming that the creation week was really a week and not poetic phrasing for longer ages.

Ok, in a different context: We terraformed Earth 10K years ago. ... It's as possible as the Jesus story. Actually, it would explain the Jesus story and all of it too.

 

[ev13wt]

Being outside of time is a tough concept to wrestle with for sure.

Based on SCIENCE, it would not be there if no life existed to observe the universe. The universe is one big wave function.
Light, once emitted, reaches its destination INSTANTLY, unless someone observes it. That right there would be "time".

If you are outside of time, you cannot see anything - because you have no eyes.

 

[JK13]

Well I know one thing youve proven but it sure aint your timeline. I do know the world would be a much better place without ideologues, (zealots) whether they be religous or political, in it. Im sure your Jesus is so proud of his "Christians" and the death theyve caused in his name. It still never ceases to amaze me that whenever Im dealing with someone, in any kind of transaction, when then bullshit starts flowing its followed by Im a christian you can trust me. Ive found there are two types of religous people. The devout (ignorant and naive), and hucksters.

People are messed up man, thats why we need Jesus. People no doubt have done horrible things in His name, but blaming God for what humans have done is like blaming gun manufacturers for the deaths caused by firearms

Feel free to keep lashing out with labels and assumptions, no doubt someone toting the “Christian” label has done you wrong, but theres the hucksters and naive everywhere (especially science and atheism). I already said don’t take my word for it, the research is out there on the internet, you just have to be willing to look at the evidence…or don’t, thats your call. God gives us the ability to make choices.

If you wanna debate stuff related to the thread, cool beans
Edit:but I can’t help but notice that you didn’t even address any of my points

Otherwise feel free to PM me I’m happy to chat

 

[JK13]

Based on SCIENCE, it would not be there if no life existed to observe the universe. The universe is one big wave function.
Light, once emitted, reaches its destination INSTANTLY, unless someone observes it. That right there would be "time".

If you are outside of time, you cannot see anything - because you have no eyes.

Science is us observing the world around us and notating how it works. It cannot answer things we cannot directly observe like the supernatural. People often like to draw conclusions based on limited observations especially if you want to explain away God. You can always make excuses, but that doesn’t change the fact that nothing we have truly observed in nature contradicts the biblical narrative.

Light is a wave, visible or not, and like other waves it takes time to get from point A-B however short that time may be and no matter who is or is not watching. “Oh, but light would take millions of years to reach us!” Yeah, if it was operating outside of Divine creation as a “mature” entity sure. We look through some telescopes and do some math and think “fuck yeah, we got the answers” but that is just massive arrogance on humanities part.

You can only observe a reality within time, and cannot possibly understand being outside of it. To think otherwise is…wait for it…massive arrogance

 

[ORTitan]

In Montana. Who knew?

 

[JK13]

^^^ That’s dope 😎

 

[Icono]

Not sure this is the right thread for this, but it's cool.

Who's our resident concrete expert, rooney?

We Finally Know Why Ancient Roman Concrete Was Able to Last Thousands of Years

 

[grapehead]

Not sure this is the right thread for this, but it's cool.

Who's our resident concrete expert, rooney?

We Finally Know Why Ancient Roman Concrete Was Able to Last Thousands of Years

That’s fucking insane

 

[Pony_Driver]

That’s fucking insane

and AWESOME

 

[Splib]

In Montana. Who knew?

This was in the other thread, the Inca Walls one. That is an entirely natural formation. The property owner even states that. Nature IS insane

 

[Splib]

JK - " I’ve looked at your side TRYING to disprove God, " I have never tried to disprove God. And you have projected that as an argument. That's incorrect and corrupt. Actually, there are a lot more people trying to disbelieve science in the name of their own construct. Science, atomic or the electric sparkle that powers this keyboard simply exists, it is not created nor does it give a shit about anyone or anything or any belief. Faith in the almighty is exactly that. There is no need to prove anything, or take sides. God does not care either. Making faith a binary argument is spilled bong water. You can have your science and kneel at the Mosque or worship whatever you believe in.

 

[bdkw1]

One of the key things on the concrete was "unreinforced". This is what fucks up our concrete mostly today. A lot of new bridge projects are specing SS rebar for this reason. Green coated stuff is better, but still not great.

 

[east_beast]

There's just no money in building shit to last. The Romans actively used the Colosseum for over 500 years. These days of a stadium is over 30 or 40 years old they wanna tear it down to build a new one. That's just fucking crazy.

 

[JR4X]

There's just no money in building shit to last. The Romans actively used the Colosseum for over 500 years. These days of a stadium is over 30 or 40 years old they wanna tear it down to build a new one. That's just unacceptable

FTFM

 

[east_beast]

FTFM

But it gets better. They want to tear it down to build a new one paid for by government subsidies even though literally every economic study ever done on the matter shows that it's a completely terrible use of public funds.

 

[Splib]

Wrigley Field. Los Angeles Coliseum, and even Dodger Stadium. But they are the exception to the rule. As East said public funds. Fuvk that.

 

[east_beast]

Wrigley Field. Los Angeles Coliseum, and even Dodger Stadium. But they are the exception to the rule. As East said public funds. Fuvk that.

No clue how anyone could support it. We have homeless veterans, hungry kids, bridges falling apart, etc. but you want a new stadium because the old one doesn't have enough luxury suites. Start warming up that lot of tar and get the feathers...

 

[MuntCuffin]

Ok, in a different context: We terraformed Earth 10K years ago. ... It's as possible as the Jesus story. Actually, it would explain the Jesus story and all of it too.

So you got evidence of roman political figures talkin bout terraforming the earth?

Oh, thats right. I forgot who I was responding to.

 

[MuntCuffin]

This was in the other thread, the Inca Walls one. That is an entirely natural formation. The property owner even states that. Nature IS insane

Not buying it. Nature may do weird shit, but it can't make people ignore their own eyes.

What the property owner says is inconsequential. He could have said a ufo came down, shat it out, and went back to Mars. Would you hold that up as indisputable evidence that that built wall is, in fact, a ufo turd?

 

[Splib]

Munt, this was explained, ad nauseam in the referenced thread. Please be a good muffin and read that.

The property owner charges a fee and his disclaimer is very consequential, it shields him from litigation for scamming a falsehood. You think you know more about this in the flash of web page ? Or you are trolling ?

The nonsense starts at post 192 -

Inca stone walls

Kinda surprised Tsoukalos hasnt shown up yet.... :lmao: Post 5, and 80% of the thread thereafter.

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