In the vein of ancient apocalypse.

[Sandy Johnson]

It's not linear. The lower courses have more blocks and do not have to be lifted as high.

Then that would mean the lower parts would need to do better than 55 blocks a day, because the upper sections wouldn't move as quickly.

 

[plym49.2]

Then that would mean the lower parts would need to do better than 55 blocks a day, because the upper sections wouldn't move as quickly.

It also means you can rock the lower courses a lot quicker because there is less material handling. Also way more internal blocks that don't need the same tight tolerances.

See how it all comes together when you think it through as a person would who has to do it?

 

[TimJus]

It's not linear. The lower courses have more blocks and do not have to be lifted as high.

yes buts every block needs to be quarried and shaped and hauled to site. and egyptologist say pyramids where build in 20 years

 

[plym49.2]

yes buts every block needs to be quarried and shaped and hauled to site. and egyptologist say pyramids where build in 20 years

So what's your point? That it was hard and took good project management? 'Cuz getting to the moon in less than 10 years was tough, too: no computers or CAD or CNC. Wonder how they did it?

 

[Tech Tim]

SNIP.....The pyramids took decades.........

We have no record on how they took to build. Could've been 100 years or could've been 6 mos. We don't know.

...... and they were basically the only large-scale building project for a (by the times) rich empire coupled with the religious fervor inherent with the project

More than likely it wasn't the Egyptians (meaning the people who are currently credited with building the pyramids) who built the pyramids. Weather dating of the Sphinx says it was built before 10,000 BC (Younger-Dryas era). Long before the "Egyptian Era".

There are multiple megalithic sites around the world that have a lot of similarities. Saying that the culture that built the pyramids only built the pyramids is selling them short.

Give me 100,000 slaves, an unlimited budget and 100 years. I will build you a pyramid.

But you won't live 100 years, so would it actually get finished?

 

[plym49.2]

But you won't live 100 years, so would it actually get finished?

As long as he is paid in full at contract signing, he's good.

 

[Splib]

Weather dating of the Sphinx says it was built before 10,000 BC (Younger-Dryas era). Long before the "Egyptian Era".

Curious as to this process. Is it the analysis of the minerals, their breakdown into daughter products into secondary minerals from normal pressure and temperature or is it something else ?

 

[Sandy Johnson]

Curious as to this process. Is it the analysis of the minerals, their breakdown into daughter products into secondary minerals from normal pressure and temperature or is it something else ?

I thought it was just based on the erosion on and around the sphinx compared the rest of the area, but maybe I missed something

 

[Tech Tim]

Curious as to this process. Is it the analysis of the minerals, their breakdown into daughter products into secondary minerals from normal pressure and temperature or is it something else ?

I thought it was just based on the erosion on and around the sphinx compared the rest of the area, but maybe I missed something

This ^^^

Study done by Robert Schoch - Robert M. Schoch - Wikipedia

Mainstream archeologists denounce him quite a bit, saying he must be wrong because his theories don't align with theirs....

He basically says he doesn't have a theory, just dating according to accepted geological erosion dating methods.

 

[east_beast]

Go back to when Schoch first released his findings.

Sphinx's New Riddle--Is It Older Than Experts Say? : Archeology: Geologists cite study of weathering patterns. But Egyptologists say findings can't be right.

New evidence that Egypt's Great Sphinx may be twice as old as had been thought has triggered a fierce argument between geologists who say it must be older and archeologists who say such a conclusion contradicts everything they know about ancient Egypt.

www.latimes.com

Schoch and other geologists: the Sphinx is a shit ton older than archaeologists are saying and here's a shit ton of geological evidence as to why

Egyptologist and archaeologists: unpossible

Schoch: how do you explain the geological anomalies?

E & A: it doesn't matter, we know it isn't older because if it is then we don't know who built them

 

[plym49.2]

Go back to when Schoch first released his findings.

Sphinx's New Riddle--Is It Older Than Experts Say? : Archeology: Geologists cite study of weathering patterns. But Egyptologists say findings can't be right.

New evidence that Egypt's Great Sphinx may be twice as old as had been thought has triggered a fierce argument between geologists who say it must be older and archeologists who say such a conclusion contradicts everything they know about ancient Egypt.

www.latimes.com

Schoch and other geologists: the Sphinx is a shit ton older than archaeologists are saying and here's a shit ton of geological evidence as to why

Egyptologist and archaeologists: unpossible

Schoch: how do you explain the geological anomalies?

E & A: it doesn't matter, we know it isn't older because if it is then we don't know who built them

We need to ask Gary

 

[Sandy Johnson]

We need to ask Gary

 

[Stuck]

yes buts every block needs to be quarried and shaped and hauled to site. and egyptologist say pyramids where build in 20 years

You do understand that the vast majority of the blocks in the great pyramid was only 5000lbs. Thats nothing to move and set into place with only ropes levers and manpower.

There were thousands if not tens of thousands of slaves on any given day working on the pyramids. 55 a day is nothing. Id bet for the bottom courses they were placing several hundreds per day if not thousands.

A group of 10 men with levers and a wheeled cart or rollers could easily move a 5000lb block miles and put it into place.

 

[45acp]

Give me 100,000 slaves, an unlimited budget and 100 years. I will build you a pyramid.

No you fuckin' won't, you'll build us the most expensive 3 acre stone high fence in the history of earth and maybe get mentioned in the New- Extra New Testament of the Y3K Bible.

 

[Splib]

I asked my question because I am a geologist and the post I referred to required clarification. I dont giz-post " you are fucking wrong" anymore, I try to be tactful and constructive.

Unless it's directed at the ancient one, the one in Idaho. Or one of the Texicans or the New Yawker

I have watched at least 4 hours of YouTube, Tube bore, quarry, lost engineering, and obelisk fabrication now on Youtube. Thanks a lot phuckers.

 

[Sandy Johnson]

I asked my question because I am a geologist and the post I referred to required clarification.

So does what Schoch say have merit? Or is he full of chit?

 

[Splib]

So does what Schoch say have merit? Or is he full of chit?

I am back on the couch watching Obelisk weirdness on Uncharted X and that Limey Bastard . .. . . They pronounce basalt as Bah' Salt. Irritating as fuck. They are just creepy limey fucks Have you ever worked with them ? Limeys ?

I have no education or training or experience really in granitic surface weathering type shit. That is very specialized specialization in a niche in geology. I also lack geochemistry and any remaining residual intelligence really But I can relate to it and will give it a try. I drilled through miles of hard rock core with my career at Caltrans. I know what diamond coring is. I liked the way the guy way way way back in 1895 analyzed the core and core hole geometry. Not bad for an engineer

He noted that the grooves on the core had the exact same signature as they cut through the various minerals comprising the granite rock. Quartz, Mica, Hornblende, orthoclase and mused that they while they differ in hardness by orders of magnitude, the cuts through them all are identical. WTF ? That would fuck up my man Ghetto Gumby. My head is Lopsided and shit. That gave me a mini geo-engineer woody

 

[IowaOffRoad]

I am back on the couch watching Obelisk weirdness on Uncharted X and that Limey Bastard . .. . . They pronounce basalt as Bah' Salt. Irritating as fuck. They are just creepy limey fucks Have you ever worked with them ? Limeys ?

I have no education or training or experience really in granitic surface weathering type shit. That is very specialized specialization in a niche in geology. I also lack geochemistry and any remaining residual intelligence really But I can relate to it and will give it a try. I drilled through miles of hard rock core with my career at Caltrans. I know what diamond coring is. I liked the way the guy way way way back in 1895 analyzed the core and core hole geometry. Not bad for an engineer

He noted that the grooves on the core had the exact same signature as they cut through the various minerals comprising the granite rock. Quartz, Mica, Hornblende, orthoclase and mused that they while they differ in hardness by orders of magnitude, the cuts through them all are identical. WTF ? That would fuck up my man Ghetto Gumby. My head is Lopsided and shit. That gave me a mini geo-engineer woody

Dammit man, translate for the plebs

 

[Splib]

When a single simple element of the artifacts in question is objectively analyzed by modern engineering, the existing explanations are rendered untenable. They cant cut it, literally.

 

[IowaOffRoad]

When a single simple element of the artifacts in question is objectively analyzed by modern engineering, the existing explanations are rendered untenable. They cant cut it, literally.

So... we couldn't replicate it today, or they shouldn't have been able to do it then with what we know?

 

[plym49.2]

When a single simple element of the artifacts in question is objectively analyzed by modern engineering, the existing explanations are rendered untenable. They cant cut it, literally.

No surprise there. Modern internal medicine/pharmacology/biology can't explain how most drugs work, either. For example, they know that Metformin, the most widely prescribed diabetes med, stops the pancreas from producing glucagen (sp) which in turn tells the liver not to procude glucose, but they don't know how it does it. The same goes for pretty much all psychotics.

It's like if you knew turning the distributor in the direction of rotation, a motor will stop pinging. But without any understanding of the 4 stroke cycle, ignition, etc.

Tons less is unknown than is known.

 

[plym49.2]

So... we couldn't replicate it today, or they shouldn't have been able to do it then with what we know?

I remember an old saw from the earlier days of engineering. According to known aerodynamic theory (at least at the time), a bumblebee can't fly. The bumblebee, not knowing this, flies anyway.

People have always been able to do stuff. Ancient techniques did not require magic to work. They were likely incredibly inefficient by current standards, but could be and were done. Modern frames of reference sometimes just don't align.

Another analogy is the guy who totally pinstriped a Cadillac with no lines more than .005 apart. All he did was paint the car with a really fine brush.

 

[surpip]

So... we couldn't replicate it today, or they shouldn't have been able to do it then with what we know?

Yes to both.

 

[plym49.2]

Yes to both.

When a modern mason says that he can't reproduce a granite object to such incredibly fine tolerances, what he's really saying is that no one has ever offered to make the investment in time and money to do so.

 

[Splib]

You have to watch the videos to get it straight. A 12-ft statue that is symmetrical about 3 axis. Perfectly symmetrical and mirror smooth polish. Both sides of the Ramses nose identical. A model, a statue is never symetrical like ths as the human nose used to fashion it after is not perfectly symmetrical. All done In rock much much harder than the tools of the day. A mason can not do this. You cant saw cut or dolerite dust grind this stuff at this application. It is mechanically unfeasible. I am convinced of this. I cant keep all the names straight quoted in the videos but the guy had an epiphany back over 120 years ago. An engineer no less. Its not a question of a modern attempt not made.

 

[plym49.2]

You have to watch the videos to get it straight. A 12-ft statue that is symmetrical about 3 axis. Perfectly symmetrical and mirror smooth polish. Both sides of the Ramses nose identical. A model, a statue is never symetrical like ths as the human nose used to fashion it after is not perfectly symmetrical. All done In rock much much harder than the tools of the day. A mason can not do this. You cant saw cut or dolerite dust grind this stuff at this application. It is mechanically unfeasible. I am convinced of this. I cant keep all the names straight quoted in the videos but the guy had an epiphany back over 120 years ago. An engineer no less. Its not a question of a modern attempt not made.

I daresay the videos you've watched are all biased towards the 'unbelievable!' side of the scale. How did man make tools more accurate that what they started with? How did man vreate perfecty smooth granite surface blocks?

Not impossible if someone puts in the time and effort. Has anyone ever bankrolled a credible attempt to duplicate. Of course not - would require millions of dollars and many, many years. Not to mention the inevitability of a few dead ends along the way.

So, I suppose its fair to say 'we can't reproduce that without resorting to modern tools and techniques because no one can afford to do the research and experimentation needed to attempt it'. That's a lot different than concluding that it just can't be done.

BTW, my son also has a degree in Geology. Also a master's in Biomechanics and Physiology and a doctorate in Comparative Biology. :)

 

[power_by_429]

I have watched at least 4 hours of YouTube, Tube bore, quarry, lost engineering, and obelisk fabrication now on Youtube. Thanks a lot phuckers.

 

[Tech Tim]

So does what Schoch say have merit? Or is he full of chit?

Yes, his specialty was weather dating geology. He was one of the well-known people in that field. But once he bucked the narrative, it was over. Now you can only find the mainstream saying how he is a quack.

 

[Tech Tim]

Dont confuse them with facts. It was aliens.

Who the fuck has been talking about aliens in this thread? One guy maybe? So one guy is "them"?

You seem 'stuck' on this. Nobody here, or in the Rogan podcast on page 1, is saying aliens built shit for us.

I'll bring up extraterrestrials..... There is some interesting stuff that cannot be ignored. Though I'm going to move away from Egypt again.

This time over to the Tiawanaku megalithic site in La Paz Bolivia. I was there in the early 2000s and the site blew me away. More so than the pyramids in Mexico.

Yep, that's me at Tiawanaku, 13,000 ft. above sea level. And if you know anything about the Aymara people that live in the Altiplano region, a black UtiliKilt was probably not the best of choices to wear that day....

Tiawanaku feels like an ancient airport, you walk around and it looks like a place of people coming and going. The topography of the area, the Nazca lines leading right to it.

Most of the blocks were not that big, though there were some big ones, like the gate of the sun:

Then there was this sunken courtyard or what was probably a room back in its day. On the walls were faces of all different racial types. Long faces, asiatic faces, large, flat nose faces

and then scattered in a few places were the classic gray extraterrestrial face. That big shaped head with large eyes, it was crazy.

We had a local Aymara indian guide, he was pretty cool, giving us an obviously well rehearsed, toe-the-line tour. With the established time-line of 2500 years and how they did this all with wooden roller etc. I started asking him all kinds of questions about the old stories of his people about the site and ended up basically bribing him with $20.00 US and he started going into some wild stuff about how the builders floated the blocks into place and that it was a place from ships to take off and land.

I was in LaPaz for business (back in the ARB days) and talked my client into taking me there on our day off. He had toured Tiawanaku many times since he was a child and had taken many visitors there and had always heard the standard "approved" tour guide spiel. He and his wife were amazed at the stories the guide told us, once we convinced him we weren't going to tell the guide service that he wasn't sticking to the trained tour guide talk. He seemed very honored that an American was interested in his people's history and their ancient stories.

At one point he asked us if we knew why the Spaniards could conquer the Incas, but not the Aymaras. The Incas thought the Spaniards were the white gods returning like legend says they would and turned over their kingdom (which the Spanish took advantage of by slaughtering all the royalty and leaders). BUT, the Aymara indians hid, they knew the Spaniards weren't the real gods, because their ships sailed on the water, the real gods ships sailed through the sky.

I've been to a bunch of the megalithic ruins in Central and South America and one thing that is consistent with the natives is the structures were built by the "gods" way earlier than the usual story and the gods had ships that sailed in the sky.

Yeah, cool story bro, but I wanted to share it. Cool stuff.

*First pic is mine, the others are randoms I grabbed off the Intardnet.

**Oh yeah.... 13,000' above sea level sucks!

 

[plym49.2]

I'll bring up extraterrestrials..... There is some interesting stuff that cannot be ignored. Though I'm going to move away from Egypt again.

This time over to the Tiawanaku megalithic site in La Paz Bolivia. I was there in the early 2000s and the site blew me away. More so than the pyramids in Mexico.

Yep, that's me at Tiawanaku, 13,000 ft. above sea level. And if you know anything about the Aymara people that live in the Altiplano region, a black UtiliKilt was probably not the best of choices to wear that day....

Tiawanaku feels like an ancient airport, you walk around and it looks like a place of people coming and going. The topography of the area, the Nazca lines leading right to it.

Most of the blocks were not that big, though there were some big ones, like the gate of the sun:

Then there was this sunken courtyard or what was probably a room back in its day. On the walls were faces of all different racial types. Long faces, asiatic faces, large, flat nose faces

and then scattered in a few places were the classic gray extraterrestrial face. That big shaped head with large eyes, it was crazy.

We had a local Aymara indian guide, he was pretty cool, giving us an obviously well rehearsed, toe-the-line tour. With the established time-line of 2500 years and how they did this all with wooden roller etc. I started asking him all kinds of questions about the old stories of his people about the site and ended up basically bribing him with $20.00 US and he started going into some wild stuff about how the builders floated the blocks into place and that it was a place from ships to take off and land.

I was in LaPaz for business (back in the ARB days) and talked my client into taking me there on our day off. He had toured Tiawanaku many times since he was a child and had taken many visitors there and had always heard the standard "approved" tour guide spiel. He and his wife were amazed at the stories the guide told us, once we convinced him we weren't going to tell the guide service that he wasn't sticking to the trained tour guide talk. He seemed very honored that an American was interested in his people's history and their ancient stories.

At one point he asked us if we knew why the Spaniards could conquer the Incas, but not the Aymaras. The Incas thought the Spaniards were the white gods returning like legend says they would and turned over their kingdom (which the Spanish took advantage of by slaughtering all the royalty and leaders). BUT, the Aymara indians hid, they knew the Spaniards weren't the real gods, because their ships sailed on the water, the real gods ships sailed through the sky.

I've been to a bunch of the megalithic ruins in Central and South America and one thing that is consistent with the natives is the structures were built by the "gods" way earlier than the usual story and the gods had ships that sailed in the sky.

Yeah, cool story bro, but I wanted to share it. Cool stuff.

*First pic is mine, the others are randoms I grabbed off the Intardnet.

**Oh yeah.... 13,000' above sea level sucks!

Why the fuck were you wearing a dress?