In the vein of ancient apocalypse.

[Splib]

Just listen to it when you can. It is some fascinating stuff.

Can’t really cliffs 3 hours of content but these guys think the eye of the Sahara is Atlantis, they have compelling evidence as to why that span thousands of years of history

That is an easily explained geologic phenomena, a geomorphologic landform. Instantly recognizable as a very well preserved mildly eroded low level or angle anticline. It's 1st semester landforms with Dr Bechtol, 1983. There is absolutely nothing mystic about it other than nature is endlessly awesome and this leads to rampant speculation. Sometimes to the benefit of the soothsayer. Not much different than some religions regarding the creation of the planet. Based on the fact that this 3 hr time sink includes at least some obvious bulllshit that is an affront to my understanding of the planet, like gravity and plate tectonics and shit, I cant see wading into it much farther. I think I have seen this guy on YouTube and he did have some other shit that was truly fascinating regarding paleontology and archeology and some of it linked to geology. He had some good revealing information and presented it well enough to merit further narative, even if academic. At about what point, what time stamp in the video is the part about the granite vases ?

 

[Stuck]

Was posting about this in another thread.
It's fair enough to claim rogans guests are quacks. (wether you actually listen to them or not ) That's a matter of opinion.

After spending 20 years behind a lathe bed/mill table I'm far more interested in the fact that someone managed to cut and bore these vases out of the hardest most brittle materials on earth down to a .040 thousands wall thickness while holding a .001 thou tolerance accross the board with multiple processes. All at a time when we were told they could barely lift a loin cloth to wipe their own ass with a copper chisel. If you think this sort of work is no big deal then let's fucking see you pull it off super dave.

Fact is we have been lied to our whole lives by clowns like Zahi Hawass and all his academic goons because they don't know shit about fuck but still claim to know the whole story while writing books about nonsense that set the agenda and discrediting anyone with a fresh idea. Oh and don't bother trying to debate these people. It's about as effective as having a discussion with a 4 year old throwing a temper tantrum. No refutation of real data. Just name calling and slander from the establishment. Sound familiar??

My opinion is I think ancient people were far more capable than theyre given credit for. Not .001 capable but not the incompetant neanderthal most believe.

2nd I dont believe those vases were made thousands of yers ago.

3rd Did you measure those vases? No? Than how do you know those tolerances are what they say they are? I think theyre full of shit. What method did they use to measure them? How many are truly hlding the spec? Has anybody actually seen all ot these vases together? Have they been subjected to independent testing or just pronounced perfect by some charlatan trying to sell something?

Again just my opinion but I think Rogans either got his tinfoil squeezed to tight, or he really knows his market and just what to feed the schmucks to keep his viewership up.

 

[power_by_429]

A trained eye can see the symmetry immediately even in a video. No I didn't measure them down to the thousanth but it's pretty obvious what they are made of and the high level of perfection involved just looking at them on screen. There were approximately 10,000 found under the step pyramid hundreds of years ago and my only real point is I highly doubt they could be duplicated in 2023. Make a granite container of similar shape with a .040 wall thickness and I'll tip my hat to you without a 3d scan or a .001 tolerance.

 

[Ebs]

 

[Pocahontas]

You can go down the yt rabbit hole. There are guys that actually measure with straight edges and squares.

The conventional theories definitely don’t add up. I might be able to buy that after the old kingdom there was a dark age because of changing weather or war but you don’t go from hunters gather to making what the old kingdom is claimed to have made.

 

[east_beast]

I don't think it's a conspiracy or anything. I think it's just human nature. Being first to set the narrative is more important than being right. Once the narrative is set it takes heaven and earth to force a change in the narrative as you have entire generations of scholars who have spent their entire careers being taught something and teaching something and admitting it's wrong is a bitter pill to swallow.

 

[Stuck]

A trained eye can see the symmetry immediately even in a video. No I didn't measure them down to the thousanth but it's pretty obvious what they are made of and the high level of perfection involved just looking at them on screen. There were approximately 10,000 found under the step pyramid hundreds of years ago and my only real point is I highly doubt they could be duplicated in 2023. Make a granite container of similar shape with a .040 wall thickness and I'll tip my hat to you without a 3d scan or a .001 tolerance.

Just fucking stop. You cant tell shit in a fucking video. You dont know shit about these things other than what they told you in the video.

Wheres the other 9,999 of them? If they truly found that many and theyre that perfect there should be one in every museum in the world and everyone should have heard about them.

Its a fucking con job. They arent that old, they arent made to the tolerances they claim. You dont even know for sure its real granite and not corian. You dont even know for sure its not CGI.

 

[power_by_429]

There is alot more to the ancient stone cutting picture than some vases. Keep up the bullet proof skepticism my guy.

A five year old can tell that shit aint cgi.

 

[east_beast]

Yeah, in the past it was primarily archaeologists and historians trying to figure out this type of stuff. Those opinions were based almost entirely on what they thought they understood about civilization and technology of the time and formulating theories that fit into those preexisting theories. With the internet opening up access to info to a wider audience you're starting to have engineers and people of actual technical expertise in fabrication and manufacturing looking at this stuff and basically saying that yeah, you're out of your fucking gourd if you think these people were chipping this stuff out by hand to these types of tolerances.

 

[Pocahontas]

The people that discovered a lot of the artifacts came to the conclusion that whoever carved the artifacts had much more craftsmanship/tech than was currently given to them. In the1850s when some of the artifacts were discovered archaeologists even rased the question if they could be recreated with the current technology.

A lot of the artifacts have been in a museum for 150 plus years but keep telling yourself that.

We are talking about making jars out of stone as thick as a playing card. Some of them are broken so you can see how thick they are.

Here are some examples, you can see they are definitely not symmetrical or that they don’t balance on the point.

 

[45acp]

The people that discovered a lot of the artifacts came to the conclusion that whoever carved the artifacts had much more craftsmanship/tech than was currently given to them. In the1850s when some of the artifacts were discovered archaeologists even rased the question if they could be recreated with the current technology.

A lot of the artifacts have been in a museum for 150 plus years but keep telling yourself that.

We are talking about making jars out of stone as thick as a playing card. Some of them are broken so you can see how thick they are.

Here are some examples, you can see they are definitely not symmetrical or that they don’t balance on the point.

"It's all a scam. They got those plastic hunks of shit at Target"

 

[Stuck]

The people that discovered a lot of the artifacts came to the conclusion that whoever carved the artifacts had much more craftsmanship/tech than was currently given to them. In the1850s when some of the artifacts were discovered archaeologists even rased the question if they could be recreated with the current technology.

A lot of the artifacts have been in a museum for 150 plus years but keep telling yourself that.

We are talking about making jars out of stone as thick as a playing card. Some of them are broken so you can see how thick they are.

Here are some examples, you can see they are definitely not symmetrical or that they don’t balance on the point.

Im not saying the ancients didnt make some incredible stuff. Quite the opposite. But to make claims that they could hold symetrical tolerances to .001"? No. Or that whatshisnuts above could tell how accurate they are ON A VIDEO because hes been a machinist for 20 years? Thats just bullshit. Not to mention the claim that they held the thickness all over to a couple thousandths? I want to know how they measured it. And how many pieces of the 10k they compared.

Fwiw I dont doubt that hundreds or thousands of years ago slave labor could have produced some pretty amazing granite pieces by "sanding or polishing" the stone down. I believe they were capable of some incredible things. Time and forced. labor can do wonders Im saying the current tolerance claims and othe propaganda about it is bullshit.

 

[Will12785]

Now I see why your user name is Stuck because your a real stick in the mud

 

[Stuck]

Now I see why your user name is Stuck because your a real stick in the mud

Because I dont think the claims are true? I think the shit the ancients really did is far more interesting and cool than some fake "aliens did it bullshit". Petra for example.

 

[east_beast]

Lots of assumptions here. Haven't watched the video but everything they said is wrong because... well, reasons. And now he's talking about aliens.

Just watch the video and then comment or STFU already.

 

[Splib]

The people that discovered a lot of the artifacts came to the conclusion that whoever carved the artifacts had much more craftsmanship/tech than was currently given to them. In the1850s when some of the artifacts were discovered archaeologists even rased the question if they could be recreated with the current technology.

A lot of the artifacts have been in a museum for 150 plus years but keep telling yourself that.

We are talking about making jars out of stone as thick as a playing card. Some of them are broken so you can see how thick they are.

Here are some examples, you can see they are definitely not symmetrical or that they don’t balance on the point.

I dont see anything that's remotely as thin as a a playing card, or anything thats broken. I cant even zoom in and see if that is rock or its porcelain. What is Petra ?

 

[Splib]

Lots of assumptions here. Haven't watched the video but everything they said is wrong because... well, reasons. And now he's talking about aliens.

Just watch the video and then comment or STFU already.

That doesnt work here or in any other thread Its three fucking hours. Is there some psychiatric, some technical term for making a simple discussion, a presentation and making it so drawn out that it is irrefutable because any critics fall asleep ??

 

[Pocahontas]

I am no expert in this stuff that was just random vases I found on google.



@23:45 he starts talking about vases and you can see them in this video.

 

[Splib]

I am no expert in this stuff that was just random vases I found on google.

@23:45 he starts talking about vases and you can see them in this video.

Well fuck me thanks a lot
So to make your point you just threw some shit out there. Sounds about right

 

[Pocahontas]

The vases I was talking about are at the time stamp in the video I linked. I could not find them on the internet. All the articles talking about them had similar vases to the ones I posted, where I stole them from. The vases are one of many things that can not be explained about the ancient civilizations let alone Egypt if you are interested listen to some podcasts if not go do what interests you.

 

[45acp]

Because I dont think the claims are true? I think the shit the ancients really did is far more interesting and cool than some fake "aliens did it bullshit". Petra for example.

Fuck a vase. Explain Gobekli Tepe.

 

[Will12785]

Because I dont think the claims are true? I think the shit the ancients really did is far more interesting and cool than some fake "aliens did it bullshit". Petra for example.

maybe take a listen? They didn't claim anything at all in that podcast and those guys have a YouTube channel where they also don't make any claims. What they do discuss is the precision and accuracy that Egyptian construction has achieved is far greater than what textbooks say they had for technology.

Your calling the podcast bullshit yet your the one refuting shit that isn't even discussed. So who's the bullshiter?

 

[surpip]

That doesnt work here or in any other thread Its three fucking hours. Is there some psychiatric, some technical term for making a simple discussion, a presentation and making it so drawn out that it is irrefutable because any critics fall asleep ??

What do you expect?
20min?
10?
For fucks sake what extremely technical thing could you learn in that amount of time?
These people are taking decades of experience and knowledge on multiple topics and distilling it down to three hours in the hopes a knucklehead like rogan will understand and that’s still not enough for you?
Why even bother at this point?

 

[power_by_429]

Plenty of evidence spread throughout the world that you can go out and see and touch for yourself. Just because I haven't personally measured it doesn't make the work any less impressive. It's clear one person in this conversation can't even be bothered to watch one video let alone look at all the rest of the evidence out there.

I'll say it again, let's see schmuck make a fake that looks half as good or shut the fuck up already. He can't and he won't. Dude couldn't even produce an aluminum version if I handed him a cad drawing with a slug of material and carefully written instructions.
He's just here to throw shade about something he clearly cares nothing about nor has he done 5 minutes of research on and it shows more with every short sighted comment. Another self appointed clown to the circus of shit shat.

 

[east_beast]

This is what archaeologists used to say about geologists claiming that a lot of the ancient Egyptian stuff is older than archaeologists claim based on precipitation erosion. They'd smugly say "Well, who did it then? Where's the other evidence of these ancient advanced civilizations?" As if a geologist gives a fuck. That's not their problem. That's not their specialty. They're just saying "Look fuck face, I know rock and I know how it weather's and that was done by water from precipitation, not sand and wind and that's obvious as fuck."

Then came the discovery of Gobekli Tepe and it's like, "Well, there's your other evidence of advanced ancient civilizations. Fuck face." Now there's Karahan Tepe and probably 20 other similar sites that are waiting for excavation.

 

[Splib]

I watched the video that Poca posted. There are comments made by professionals in the trade. The fabrication or making stone pots and vessels. Their comments have merit and are qualified. What is intriguing is that we will never have the answers that we seek. To cut the stone and not have it chip, flake or crack would take exceptional skill and expertise, never mind the tools required.

Where are the tools or any of this ?

Surpip you are agreeing with me really. My post was intended to be sarcasm. I do feel that Rogiane wastes 75% of his time. In the end, this web based shyte, its entertainment, or, whatever you want to call it. It's new shit really. Rogaine is no different in that aspect than say, David letterman at his peak. It poses thoughtful questions and shares similar information. However, It can never, ever replace true academic or forensic investigation or study.

Edit: And it's Bitch Chat, bitch

 

[Stuck]

Plenty of evidence spread throughout the world that you can go out and see and touch for yourself. Just because I haven't personally measured it doesn't make the work any less impressive. It's clear one person in this conversation can't even be bothered to watch one video let alone look at all the rest of the evidence out there.

I'll say it again, let's see schmuck make a fake that looks half as good or shut the fuck up already. He can't and he won't. Dude couldn't even produce an aluminum version if I handed him a cad drawing with a slug of material and carefully written instructions.
He's just here to throw shade about something he clearly cares nothing about nor has he done 5 minutes of research on and it shows more with every short sighted comment. Another self appointed clown to the circus of shit shat.

Awww. Does your pussy hurt because I called you out on your I can tell on the video cause Im a machinist bullshit? Youre a fucking moron.

 

[surpip]

Youre a fucking moron.

good lord, Imagine you calling someone dumb, that's a hoot.

 

[Stuck]

good lord, Imagine you calling someone dumb, that's a hoot.

What? Your pussy hurt too?

 

[surpip]

What? Your pussy hurt too?

My pussy feels terriffic, I just think its hilarious that you feel as though you're actually smart enough to call anyone dumb.