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Future of KOH 4400 chassis/car development?

Nascar style valve springs and pistons/rings solves those issues.

Hell, why aren't we using an SB2.2? Those are good for 800hp and will run all day at 10k RPM....

Wait, who was the guy on here that had a billet Dart block stroker SB2 built? It was for a street car but still.

Ya, that is me. It's a R07. The R07 replaced the SB2. Ford has their version and so does Dodge and so does Toyota. They're all badass engines.





I don't know why more racers aren't using them over the LS's. Could have something to do with the fact that outside of NASCAR, they don't really exist. The bare unported heads and compacted graphite blocks only come from GM. They're very expensive and don't show up even in the performance parts catalogs. That shouldn't be a hindrance to any known race engine builder though, they ain't top secrete. You just don't hear thhem mentioned very often.

They have certainly proven themselves to put out more than 900hp and run flat out for hours on end. They've been EFI with a 4bbl TB for years now.

If there is one draw back to them, it's that they are designed to run solid flat tappet lifters. That a NASCAR rule.

But like you said, they are designed to oil cool the valve springs and pistons.The valve springs actually sit down in pockets that fill with oil from the spray bars. That also dampens any harmonics in the valve springs. The cam is raised 1.4" if I remember right. So shorter pushrods and better geometry.

I might be picking up a compacted graphite block in a couple months. Nothing wrong with it, just needs the bores cleaned up and it's at the (1.85") bore limit of the rules so it can't be used. I already have everything to build it minus pistons, rods, pins and rings. Would be cool in the 69 Camaro.

The billet R07 block I have has a few modifications designed into it because I don't have to follow a rule book. Set up for .904 keyway roller lifters, taller deck height. Oiling system modified so it doesn't flood the lifter valley in oil cause no solid lifters). Lg journal SBC main size.
4.250"bore x 3.750" stroke should make for a screaming 425cid

Edit: I forgot probably the best part of the R07 design. They have a 4.5" bore spacing compared to the LS/SBC 4.4" bore spacing.That allows for better cooling between the cylinder walls. In My case with the billet block with liners in it, I am able to punch it out to 4.250" and still have .250" between cylinder walls. Most of the big cube LS's end up with a really long stroke and paper thin cylinder walls.

And one last thing is that the intake ports in the heads are asymmetrically placed so each manifold runner is exactly the same length. That tidbit I don't care about because I plan to run a Kinsler IR DBW intake set up and boost.
 
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Ya, that is me. It's a R07. The R07 replaced the SB2. Ford has their version and so does Dodge and so does Toyota. They're all badass engines.






I don't know why more racers aren't using them over the LS's. Could have something to do with the fact that outside of NASCAR, they don't really exist. The bare unported heads and compacted graphite blocks only come from GM. They're very expensive and don't show up even in the performance parts catalogs. That shouldn't be a hindrance to any known race engine builder though, they ain't top secrete. You just don't hear thhem mentioned very often.

They have certainly proven themselves to put out more than 900hp and run flat out for hours on end. They've been EFI with a 4bbl TB for years now.

If there is one draw back to them, it's that they are designed to run solid flat tappet lifters. That a NASCAR rule.

But like you said, they are designed to oil cool the valve springs and pistons.The valve springs actually sit down in pockets that fill with oil from the spray bars. That also dampens any harmonics in the valve springs. The cam is raised 1.4" if I remember right. So shorter pushrods and better geometry.

I might be picking up a compacted graphite block in a couple months. Nothing wrong with it, just needs the bores cleaned up and it's at the (1.85") bore limit of the rules so it can't be used. I already have everything to build it minus pistons, rods, pins and rings. Would be cool in the 69 Camaro.

The billet R07 block I have has a few modifications designed into it because I don't have to follow a rule book. Set up for .904 keyway roller lifters, taller deck height. Oiling system modified so it doesn't flood the lifter valley in oil cause no solid lifters). Lg journal SBC main size.
4.250"bore x 3.750" stroke should make for a screaming 425cid

Edit: I forgot probably the best part of the R07 design. They have a 4.5" bore spacing compared to the LS/SBC 4.4" bore spacing.That allows for better cooling between the cylinder walls. In My case with the billet block with liners in it, I am able to punch it out to 4.250" and still have .250" between cylinder walls. Most of the big cube LS's end up with a really long stroke and paper thin cylinder walls.

And one last thing is that the intake ports in the heads are asymmetrically placed so each manifold runner is exactly the same length. That tidbit I don't care about because I plan to run a Kinsler IR DBW intake set up and boost.
Any idea what the iron block version weights? Your billet block?
 
I don't know the weight of the block. I can't remember ever reading the weight of one. I did weigh my billet block, that was a long time ago. I want to say it was 100lbs. I could pick it up without much trouble.

I would think that the CG block weighs a good bit less than a iron SBC block. GM designed it with saving weight in mind.
 
Whos car is this? Doubt its even ultra 4... maybe so.e European thing but its interesting

The dude sounds Rusky

#nazarprotosport




 
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The dude sounds Rusky

#nazarprotosport





His videos are quite underwhelming... like some sort of winch challenge truck meets 1999 top truck challenge course
 
Who wants to race KOH 2025 and be competitive for less than $100k?

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Yup, those are the old cars. I'd love to get my hands on those cars and race KOH. Use one as a prerunner/parts car and use one to race. I think doing that, if you could get both cars for $100k - $110k would literally be the cheapest way to jump right in and be competitive at KOH*


*Provided you can drive your ass off and have good pit support
 
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I saw last week that the price for Shannon Campbell's old Dragon Slayer was down to "only $110k" if someone wanted to scoop that one up.
 
I opened this thinking it would be month 7,328 of how a SXS is better and will overall KOH.

The fat lady hasn't sung yet... :flipoff2:

Until this weekend I had never seen a UFO chassis in person and in my mind they were SxS sized with 40" tires. Those fuckers are huge and not what I expected at all. There is definitely room for improvement in the smaller, lighter, more maneuverable category of the 4400 class IMHO.
 
Trickest car i saw all weekend was Dan Wyricks UFO built 4500 yota, that thing made my pants tight! Best way to describe it besides a work of art, is calling it a stadium truck with a solid front axle. Thing is low and lean and looks very different than the other 4500s out there. :smokin:

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Trickest car i saw all weekend was Dan Wyricks UFO built 4500 yota, that thing made my pants tight! Best way to describe it besides a work of art, is calling it a stadium truck with a solid front axle. Thing is low and lean and looks very different than the other 4500s out there. :smokin:

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Art for sure on Dan’s 4500.

Would be interesting to see if Dans 4500 was more expensive or Vaughn’s 4500 IFS Brocky 1.0 was more expensive (adjusted for inflation etc).
 
The fat lady hasn't sung yet... :flipoff2:

Until this weekend I had never seen a UFO chassis in person and in my mind they were SxS sized with 40" tires. Those fuckers are huge and not what I expected at all. There is definitely room for improvement in the smaller, lighter, more maneuverable category of the 4400 class IMHO.
UFO’s are thick that’s for sure but they have to somewhat hold up to a Gomez driving it so thickness is required.

Would be interesting to see a non-Gomez UFO that clicks all those boxes (smaller, lighter, etc) for a more meticulous driver.
 
Trickest car i saw all weekend was Dan Wyricks UFO built 4500 yota, that thing made my pants tight! Best way to describe it besides a work of art, is calling it a stadium truck with a solid front axle. Thing is low and lean and looks very different than the other 4500s out there. :smokin:

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That was the first new top flight 4500 car in how long? I think it's sweet, but with how small 4500 car counts are compared to 4800; I couldn't figure out the why portion.
 
That was the first new top flight 4500 car in how long? I think it's sweet, but with how small 4500 car counts are compared to 4800; I couldn't figure out the why portion.
big fish in a little pond if I had to guess. less cars in the class is less to compete against thus a better chance at a win?
 
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