Fuck around and find out (Israel / Palestine version)

[rockmup]

Fuck both of those, give me a Galil.

I'd take the Tavor over the Galil, they can have the M16's

 

[Roc Doc]

I'd take the Tavor over the Galil, they can have the M16's

I wasn't impressed with the Tavor, New Frontier had a range day and I shot 10 or so rounds through it. Typical bullpup trigger killed it for me.

 

[smurfblue40]

Look at those guys rocking the old school M16A1s.

I qualified “Expert” in basic training with a clapped out M16A1

 

[6869704x4]

Look at those guys rocking the old school M16A1s.

Kinda looks more M4ish than M16ish

 

[shortbus4x4]

I qualified “Expert” in basic training with a clapped out M16A1

You old, I had a M16A2 service rifle in boot camp and her name was Staci.

 

[Yota Up]

You old, I had a M16A2 service rifle in boot camp and her name was Staci.

By the mid 90s it was all A2s. I thought they phased out the A1s not long after Vietnam?
If so, smurf is older than SDCJ!

 

[JK13]

I qualified “Expert” in basic training with a clapped out M16A1

(Almost) same here, but with a clapped out A2
🍻

 

[Animalmother]

 

[CDA 455 II]

In pictures

 

[smurfblue40]

By the mid 90s it was all A2s. I thought they phased out the A1s not long after Vietnam?
If so, smurf is older than SDCJ!

A2s started getting rotated in after I got back from my Korea tour in ‘86 IIRC.

The HMMVs were new too (fuck those things)

 

[Wades_76_cj7]

Jesus, Gaza is gonna look like Germany after WW2. nothing but rubble for miles..

 

[gunracer1]

my A1 was new in 81.

 

[Splib]

Flashback Friday for some of you guys.

 

[CDA 455 II]

In pictures

Air force’s giant missile-detecting balloon spotted along Lebanese border​

By EMANUEL FABIAN
Residents of northern Israel and southern Lebanon have spotted the Israeli Air Force’s new giant missile-detecting balloon, which has largely been out of service during the past year and a half.

The detection system, dubbed “Elevated Sensor,” or “Sky Dew” in Israel, is deployed at high altitudes to detect incoming long-range missiles, cruise missiles and drones.

The system is not yet operational and has seen significant setbacks with its deployment.

Kan news reports that the system was made airborne today after components ordered from the United States arrived.

 

[Chzbrgr]

Those balloons were all the rage here in Maryland when they were testing them at Aberdeen years ago. I think one even got away.

Military launches another blimp over Md.

 

[RusM]

Be pretty sweet if that thing was full of hydrogen and could go boom too!

 

[XtremeJ]

There were balloon’s deployed in the Bahamas in the late 80’s / early 90’s during peak drug war. I thought most of that had been replaced by satellite and e-surveillance about 20 years ago.

Probably reselling our recycled junk to the Jews.

 

[CDA 455 II]

Those balloons were all the rage here in Maryland when they were testing them at Aberdeen years ago. I think one even got away.

Military launches another blimp over Md.

Hey; Baltimore!

My birth place!

 

[CDA 455 II]

There were balloon’s deployed in the Bahamas in the late 80’s / early 90’s during peak drug war. I thought most of that had been replaced by satellite and e-surveillance about 20 years ago.

Probably reselling our recycled junk to the Jews.

They did a great job mod'ing old junkyard WWII Sherman tanks in the '60s.

 

[Lawless]

Jesus, Gaza is gonna look like Germany after WW2. nothing but rubble for miles..

Well I guess it should keep them busy enough rebuilding after this is over, no time to throw rocks at the Jews.

 

[dwygrsshpr]

There were balloon’s deployed in the Bahamas in the late 80’s / early 90’s during peak drug war. I thought most of that had been replaced by satellite and e-surveillance about 20 years ago.

Probably reselling our recycled junk to the Jews.

Technically they are "tethered aerostats". The network still exists and continues to fly. Think of it as a poor-man's AWACS but it points down instead of out and up. There used to be a mission out of the Keys that beamed US radio propaganda straight into Cuba. They couldn't jam it easily because the broadcast was powerful enough to burn through, but it just helped remind folks that freedom was merely 90 miles away.

Tethered Aerostat Radar System - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

There is a company that still makes them and sells specifically to our allies in the Middle East. They are much cheaper than satellites and easier to re-task. They have shortcomings, but Israel doesn't exactly have a space program to design, build, and launch LEO devices.

ETA: JLENS was the program that had the breakaway from APG.

 

[87manche]

A tethered balloon packed full of radar and elint gear makes a lot of sense.
A lot cheaper than an orbitting predator.

It seems like a great surveillance platform if your opponent doesn't have any way to knock it down.

 

[Splib]

At first glance it looks like a HUGE target with a radar signature and unable to evade incoming anything. Biplanes used the term balloon busters over a hundred years ago.

 

[87manche]

At first glance it looks like a HUGE target with a radar signature and unable to evade incoming anything. Biplanes used the term balloon busters over a hundred years ago.

Yeah but Hamas don't got stealth aircraft.
It's not like they're gonna sneak up on it in a Cessna and pop it with a RPG.

 

[[486]]

Yeah but Hamas don't got stealth aircraft.
It's not like they're gonna sneak up on it in a Cessna and pop it with a RPG.

helium expensive
hydrogen flammable

tracers make h burn with enough sent its way
bullets make he leak

 

[dwygrsshpr]

At first glance it looks like a HUGE target with a radar signature and unable to evade incoming anything. Biplanes used the term balloon busters over a hundred years ago.

It's actually a very small RADAR signature. Sounds like you probably don't understand how radio detection and ranging works. One actually has to have something that bounces the electromagnetic waves back to the receiver. That's how all stealth technology works - disrupting, interrupting, or otherwise not sending a signal back. Those "balloons" are made of fabrics that don't reflect any signals; the only thing that does reflect is the payload and that is much tinier than fighter aircraft systems are used to identifying. Any missile fired at it (if somehow it was locked on), would merely punch through the envelope.

The only way to take one down is to continually strafe it close in. And, there is so much Helium on board, that it will take hours to bring it down. And by that time, the local friendly AF has already been sortied and now it's a real dogfight. And, it can be reeled it in at any time.

What makes you think that none of this has already been solved? These systems have been fielded for decades....

 

[87manche]

helium expensive
hydrogen flammable

tracers make h burn with enough sent its way
bullets make he leak

I figure it will be flown far out of the reach of small arms.
Hamas has no air defense capable of hitting it
and it's going to be shielded by a friendly air defense system and surrounded by friendly aircraft.

I'd say the chances of it getting shot down are very slim.

 

[ExWrench]

I figure it will be flown far out of the reach of small arms.
Hamas has no air defense capable of hitting it
and it's going to be shielded by a friendly air defense system and surrounded by friendly aircraft.

I'd say the chances of it getting shot down are very slim.

And a bit of a flex to reinforce that you own the air.

"How do we deal with the missiles? Well see, we put up a balloon on a string and then . . . "

 

[Mikenike]

helium expensive
hydrogen

I figure it will be flown far out of the reach of small arms.
Hamas has no air defense capable of hitting it
and it's going to be shielded by a friendly air defense system and surrounded by friendly aircraft.

I'd say the chances of it getting shot down are very slim.

It would also take way more bullets than theyd get the chance to fire make enough helium leak to matter.

 

[realsquash]

Don't you think you could fly an RC plane or "drone" up to that balloon and damage it?