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Quick & Dirty said:
I saw a video saying it also requires the electromechanical transfer case.
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I'm leery of an electromechanical transfer case as a "feature".
Like a refrigerator w/ bluetooth - GTFO with that bullshit, it's a fookin' fridge.
Pretty sure the base model TC uses solenoids, so it's also "electromechanical".

I'll forgive moron-proofing the TC shift (prevent 2H --> 4L shift at speed) because morons.
But that's my limit of tolerance for electronic intervention on a simple range selection.
I don't hate technology, but frivolous "smart" tech. pisses me off. Simpler are gooder.

Reading about computer-controlled TC & terrain modes, I think "pushbutton dipshit enablers".
I don't want 47 "terrain modes" - do I select "sphagnum moss" when driving on peat moss?
2H, 4H, 4L --> DONE (unless offering selectable F/R output or multiple ranges, then we're OK).

I hope they offer a "dumb as fookin' toast" edition (it doesn't need a trendy name or badges :laughing:).
If you want a confuser to gage your traction needs, buy the Bronco & I'll trade you my Outback :flipoff2:
 
I’m amazed by all the people bemoaning the manual transmission not really being an option. An automatic is better at everything now. As long as they have modes to make sure it doesn’t do anything dumb when slippage happens off-road, why would anyone want to add operating complexity while losing function? Granted, ultra-low first gear is cool. That’s it.

I drive a Focus ST daily. And while the manual is fine, I’m amazed by the greatness of the 10speed in the wife’s Mustang.
 
OHV Wildcat said:
I’m amazed by all the people bemoaning the manual transmission not really being an option. An automatic is better at everything now. As long as they have modes to make sure it doesn’t do anything dumb when slippage happens off-road, why would anyone want to add operating complexity while losing function? Granted, ultra-low first gear is cool. That’s it.

I drive a Focus ST daily. And while the manual is fine, I’m amazed by the greatness of the 10speed in the wife’s Mustang.
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Manuals are the most beloved of relics. I have a '13 Mustang GT, 6 speed and wouldn't want it any other way, but I have heard that the 10 speeds are amazing. I don't knee-jerk discredit things that I've never tried, so I'm neutral on it all. I just know that I really enjoy rowing gears, and that's good enough for me. If anything I'm all for options though, so I'll always root for a manual option as well.

I don't get the anger though. If you want a manual just get the 2.3 and add 35's and all that stuff yourself. Not fast enough? Tune it. Remember building things and making them the way you want? Or does everyone just want to write a check these days and stomp and cry because a company won't make things exactly the way 2% of the people want them.
 
OHV Wildcat said:
I’m amazed by all the people bemoaning the manual transmission not really being an option. An automatic is better at everything now. As long as they have modes to make sure it doesn’t do anything dumb when slippage happens off-road, why would anyone want to add operating complexity while losing function? Granted, ultra-low first gear is cool. That’s it.

I drive a Focus ST daily. And while the manual is fine, I’m amazed by the greatness of the 10speed in the wife’s Mustang.
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Because wheeling a stick is fun
 
Welby said:
Manuals are the most beloved of relics. I have a '13 Mustang GT, 6 speed and wouldn't want it any other way, but I have heard that the 10 speeds are amazing. I don't knee-jerk discredit things that I've never tried, so I'm neutral on it all. I just know that I really enjoy rowing gears, and that's good enough for me. If anything I'm all for options though, so I'll always root for a manual option as well.

I don't get the anger though. If you want a manual just get the 2.3 and add 35's and all that stuff yourself. Not fast enough? Tune it. Remember building things and making them the way you want? Or does everyone just want to write a check these days and stomp and cry because a company won't make things exactly the way 2% of the people want them.
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Because warranty, because reliability, because cost....there's a lot of reasons that people don't want to muck that much with the powertrain.

The reason for the decline in the manual is because the manufacturers keep offering the manual only on the undesirable models and then complain when nobody buys them. Or hell, someone like Porsche puts a brilliant 6 speed manual in the Cayman GT4/GTS 4.0 and then fucks it up by putting stupid long gears that you can't even hit redline in 2nd gear without breaking every speed limit in the country.
 
Slander said:
Because wheeling a stick is fun
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I used to be in your camp. Found rock crawling around 1998, built an EB with prerequisite granny 4spd. Thought autos were stupid in 4x4's and sports cars. Then a friend let me run his rig up a trail (auto) and I had a C4 and doubler by the end of the year.

I still love the idea of manuals, but I'll never go back to having one in a crawler. Especially now with the 13 speed/paddle shifter stuff.
 
OHV Wildcat said:
I’m amazed by all the people bemoaning the manual transmission not really being an option. An automatic is better at everything now. As long as they have modes to make sure it doesn’t do anything dumb when slippage happens off-road, why would anyone want to add operating complexity while losing function?
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Why do you give your woman the sexings yourself?
Someone else could do it for you, and be better at it. :flipoff2:
I'd rather fook up da' fookin' meself, thank you :laughing:

But seriously: feeling more directly connected to the machine & the trail.

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Slander said:
Because wheeling a stick is fun
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Yep, that^. I've had a '10 2-door Rubicon on 32s, 35s, & 37s; on 4.10s and 4.88s, at stock WB and at 100" WB, and the only time I've wanted an automatic transmission was in crawling traffic (where I hate the 3rd pedal). The auto that came with the 3.8l sucks donkey cawk, so in retrospect I've been very happy with the 6MT choice.

I'd convinced myself my next wheeler would rock a slushbox, but that 6.xx:1 1st gear in the Bronco has me very interested. I used to get stuck in traffic in a 1st-gen Super Duty flatbed w/granny low, and could usually get behind a semi in 1st & stay off the clutch.


Welby said:
I don't get the anger though. If you want a manual just get the 2.3 and add 35's and all that stuff yourself. Not fast enough? Tune it. Remember building things and making them the way you want? Or does everyone just want to write a check these days and stomp and cry because a company won't make things exactly the way 2% of the people want them.
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I'm with you, and not opposed to building what I want / need. Hell, I'm not opposed to spending hours creating shit I want & don't need :laughing:. However, after spending 1000s of hours over the last 10 years working on my Jeep, I'm kinda' interested in buying a stock Bronco that I can just drive & not fawk with until the wild hair to modify becomes unbearable.

So: not angry, just disappointed - they almost offer the best combination of features.
Almost awesome.
Almost nailed it.
 
ExWrench said:
Why do you give your woman the sexings yourself?
Someone else could do it for you, and be better at it. :flipoff2:
I'd rather fook up da' fookin' meself, thank you :laughing:

But seriously: feeling more directly connected to the machine & the trail.

Also, this:




Yep, that^. I've had a '10 2-door Rubicon on 32s, 35s, & 37s; on 4.10s and 4.88s, at stock WB and at 100" WB, and the only time I've wanted an automatic transmission was in crawling traffic (where I hate the 3rd pedal). The auto that came with the 3.8l sucks donkey cawk, so in retrospect I've been very happy with the 6MT choice.

I'd convinced myself my next wheeler would rock a slushbox, but that 6.xx:1 1st gear in the Bronco has me very interested. I used to get stuck in traffic in a 1st-gen Super Duty flatbed w/granny low, and could usually get behind a semi in 1st & stay off the clutch.
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:lmao: like the fawking analogy!

If I had a buggy it would be an auto, but my trail wheeler that I drive to the trail is stick and it's fun. I want to actually drive and not manage systems. You do either need a motor with stupid low torque or stupid low gears for it to be fun. The stock tacoma with the 3 4 and 5apd kind of sucked compared to my 4 0 jeep 5spd, but once I put the doubler in the Toyota it's fun. I used to DD the Tacoma in shit chicago traffic and I would just hang out behind a semi in 1st and life was good.

The Broncos sweet, glad to see more factory wheelers! Que Toyota coming out with another badge and floor mat offroad package to compete with this.
 
SomeGuy said:
Because warranty, because reliability, because cost....there's a lot of reasons that people don't want to muck that much with the powertrain.
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This is a point I have been trying to make to people who keep saying to buy one and swap in a 5.0L and solid axle if I want them so bad. If I am paying over $40,000 for a factory vehicle, I want it to be pretty much exactly what I want. I shouldn't need to put another $10,000+ and untold amounts of time and labor and completely ruin the factory warranty to get what I want. I suppose that is why I have never bought a new vehicle and probably never will at the rate manufacturers are going :laughing:


ExWrench said:
Why do you give your woman the sexings yourself?
Someone else could do it for you, and be better at it. :flipoff2:
I'd rather fook up da' fookin' meself, thank you :laughing:

But seriously: feeling more directly connected to the machine & the trail.

Also, this:




Yep, that^. I've had a '10 2-door Rubicon on 32s, 35s, & 37s; on 4.10s and 4.88s, at stock WB and at 100" WB, and the only time I've wanted an automatic transmission was in crawling traffic (where I hate the 3rd pedal). The auto that came with the 3.8l sucks donkey cawk, so in retrospect I've been very happy with the 6MT choice.

I'd convinced myself my next wheeler would rock a slushbox, but that 6.xx:1 1st gear in the Bronco has me very interested. I used to get stuck in traffic in a 1st-gen Super Duty flatbed w/granny low, and could usually get behind a semi in 1st & stay off the clutch.




I'm with you, and not opposed to building what I want / need. Hell, I'm not opposed to spending hours creating shit I want & don't need :laughing:. However, after spending 1000s of hours over the last 10 years working on my Jeep, I'm kinda' interested in buying a stock Bronco that I can just drive & not fawk with until the wild hair to modify becomes unbearable.

So: not angry, just disappointed - they almost offer the best combination of features.
Almost awesome.
Almost nailed it.
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This is pretty much my sentiments exactly. I know an auto (really it is the torque converter vs. the clutch) is better for hardcore crawling, but I simply prefer driving a manual. I enjoy doing my own shifting. Every vehicle I have ever owned (that was driveable anyways) was/is a manual. I like not having to worry about tranny temperatures, and manuals rarely just up and quit without much warning like automatics can tend to do.

I will be building my first automatic rig here pretty soon, so we'll see if that changes me and I sell off all my manual tranny junk, but for now I am pretty much a manual trans-only sort of guy just for the pure enjoyment of it.
 
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There are probably 10,000 people in the entire country that are having a fit over the manual trans and when push comes to shove only 10 percent of them would have even bought one if ford checked all the boxes they want. You guys just want something to cry about..
 
I don't get the manual bitch. You can get it in several trims, and you can add the lockers and 35's to every trim level. Unless you HAVE TO have the 12" screen and every luxury option, which let's be honest, the people who need that don't care about rowing their own, you can get the stick. Sure, you can't get it with the 2.7, but the 2.3 isn't a slouch.

Good on Ford, we are excited to get ours. Just hate that we have to wait until April at the earliest. Probably going to be May/June realistically.
 
Joez said:
I don't get the manual bitch. You can get it in several trims, and you can add the lockers and 35's to every trim level. Unless you HAVE TO have the 12" screen and every luxury option, which let's be honest, the people who need that don't care about rowing their own, you can get the stick. Sure, you can't get it with the 2.7, but the 2.3 isn't a slouch.

Good on Ford, we are excited to get ours. Just hate that we have to wait until April at the earliest. Probably going to be May/June realistically.
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You obviously don't read too well :shaking: The news that started the discussion about the availability of the manual was that the "Sasquatch" package will not be available with the manual transmission. So no lockers, sway bar disconnect, or 35" tires if you want a manual transmission.

ChiScouter said:
There are probably 10,000 people in the entire country that are having a fit over the manual trans and when push comes to shove only 10 percent of them would have even bought one if ford checked all the boxes they want. You guys just want something to cry about..
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Got it, so we should just be happy with whatever Ford does and shut up and buy something that isn't what we want :shaking: This is such a stupid argument. By that logic, manufacturers shouldn't offer anything other than crossovers since crossovers are 90% of the new car market. Who cares about the 10% of schmucks who want something different from the majority. They probably weren't even going to buy a new car anyway :shaking:

Ford lost me as a buyer, and I am sure I am not the only one.
 
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I just think it's dumb that you have a sweet manual trans with a crawler gear (literally marked with a C on the shifter) but you can't get the rock crawler package with that trans :confused:​​​​​​

Just doesn't make sense.

Obviously we all know the manual is a dieing beast. But Ford obviously thought it would sell enough to develop a proprietary trans just for the bronco.

I've loosely shooed for Jk's a few times and came across plenty of Rubicons with manuals, so people will definitely buy them.

All the tq bias bs is a big turn off also, like the stupid "i-4wd" on my sxs, (basically like traction control, aply brake to spinning wheel) so many people think this is better than a locker, when in life it sucks ass for real wheelin.

Nothing will ever beat all 4 tires locked together. :homer:
 
'84 Bronco II said:
I shouldn't need to put another $10,000+ and untold amounts of time and labor and completely ruin the factory warranty to get what I want. I suppose that is why I have never bought a new vehicle and probably never will at the rate manufacturers are going :laughing:

I know an auto (really it is the torque converter vs. the clutch) is better for hardcore crawling, but I simply prefer driving a manual. I enjoy doing my own shifting.
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If you mean a Coyote based 5.0 and not a pushrod 5.0 you wouldn't be able to pull off the motor and SAS for 10k. The crate engine alone is 9k, without the control pack, etc. You could junkyard it, as getting a decent Gen I/II Coyote for 4-5k? Might be doable if you do all the labor.

I'd guess the combo of the 2.7 with the crawl gear exceeds the rated TQ capacity of the TC or front axle components maybe? don't know for sure.

Joez said:
Sure, you can't get it with the 2.7, but the 2.3 isn't a slouch.
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You can build a 500-600hp 2.3. I'm not sure if the component sizing to get it there and resulting powerband will play well off road/crawling. Will be interesting to see people try though!
 
ChiScouter said:
There are probably 10,000 people in the entire country that are having a fit over the manual trans and when push comes to shove only 10 percent of them would have even bought one if ford checked all the boxes they want. You guys just want something to cry about..
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Millennial anti-theft device + factory 4.70s & 35s would sell to me, no shit.

I'm cash-in-hand serious about it, not looking for "something to cry about".

Your kuntiness is misguided.
 
'84 Bronco II said:
You obviously don't read too well :shaking: The news that started the discussion about the availability of the manual was that the "Sasquatch" package will not be available with the manual transmission. So no lockers, sway bar disconnect, or 35" tires if you want a manual transmission.



Got it, so we should just be happy with whatever Ford does and shut up and buy something that isn't what we want :shaking: This is such a stupid argument. By that logic, manufacturers shouldn't offer anything other than crossovers since crossovers are 90% of the new car market. Who cares about the 10% of schmucks who want something different from the majority. They probably weren't even going to buy a new car anyway :shaking:

Ford lost me as a buyer, and I am sure I am not the only one.
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So Ford lost you and about 10 other guys who SAY they would have bought one, I am sure they will be heartbroken by the news.
 
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just threw up in my mouth a little:barf:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news...age=BB16PEDx|2
 
'84 Bronco II said:
Ford lost me as a buyer, and I am sure I am not the only one.
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Get the fuck out of here dude. :laughing::laughing: Did you skip all of the 2000's? 6.0 diesel?? F series "gotta pull the cab to get the heads off" engineering? 2004 Bronco concept that was a cool looking body on a front wheel drive Festiva?? Queer ass metric lug pattern nobody uses???? 7 lug 2500?? Ford engineering in general??? And now they won't offer a manual trans in the specific package you want and 'FoRd LoSt YoU aS A bUyEr'.... :laughing:
 
YotaAtieToo said:
All the tq bias bs is a big turn off also, like the stupid "i-4wd" on my sxs, (basically like traction control, aply brake to spinning wheel) so many people think this is better than a locker, when in life it sucks ass for real wheelin.

Nothing will ever beat all 4 tires locked together. :homer:
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Nothing? How about 4 independent torque vectoring electric motors, one on each wheel? I'd take that over lockers.
 
SomeGuy said:
Nothing? How about 4 independent torque vectoring electric motors, one on each wheel? I'd take that over lockers.
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Barring some sort of interface nobody has yet thought up you're not gonna be able to control that at any speed beyond the most technical of crawls. Rear steer is the same way.
 
'84 Bronco II said:
You obviously don't read too well :shaking: The news that started the discussion about the availability of the manual was that the "Sasquatch" package will not be available with the manual transmission. So no lockers, sway bar disconnect, or 35" tires if you want a manual transmission.



Got it, so we should just be happy with whatever Ford does and shut up and buy something that isn't what we want :shaking: This is such a stupid argument. By that logic, manufacturers shouldn't offer anything other than crossovers since crossovers are 90% of the new car market. Who cares about the 10% of schmucks who want something different from the majority. They probably weren't even going to buy a new car anyway :shaking:

Ford lost me as a buyer, and I am sure I am not the only one.
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Considering how much Ford themselves aee advertising the 95:1 manual transmission crawl ratio, that you can only get with the sasquatch package, I'm going to hold out that it will be offered. Not to mention that's the exact configurationoof the orange pre production truck that's running around. Yes, there was a tweet that it won't be available from one bigwig, but everything else from Ford seems to show that it will be. This smells more like a pr stunt than anything else.
 
Joez said:
Considering how much Ford themselves aee advertising the 95:1 manual transmission crawl ratio, that you can only get with the sasquatch package, I'm going to hold out that it will be offered. Not to mention that's the exact configurationoof the orange pre production truck that's running around. Yes, there was a tweet that it won't be available from one bigwig, but everything else from Ford seems to show that it will be. This smells more like a pr stunt than anything else.
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Good call^ :beer:

Free marketing via getting folks riled up about unavailability of a certain mechanical package combination.

Such artificial scarcity could make some buy it just to prove there's demand or to get what they "couldn't".

Look at the toilet paper hoarders - humans are impulsive little animals :laughing:
 
arse_sidewards said:
Barring some sort of interface nobody has yet thought up you're not gonna be able to control that at any speed beyond the most technical of crawls. Rear steer is the same way.
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They had and maybe still have some 4 hub motor prototypes....like 05 to 07 range ....the bearing load was very short. But awesome ...150 platform and several little cars.


I wait patiently for these to happen. Turn table steering.....we can dooooo eeeet.
 
'84 Bronco II said:
Got it, so we should just be happy with whatever Ford does and shut up and buy something that isn't what we want :shaking: This is such a stupid argument. By that logic, manufacturers shouldn't offer anything other than crossovers since crossovers are 90% of the new car market. Who cares about the 10% of schmucks who want something different from the majority. They probably weren't even going to buy a new car anyway :shaking:

Ford lost me as a buyer, and I am sure I am not the only one.
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Not one has rolled off the line yet...and the official configurations are indeed in flux ...


Call and bitch. Tweeters to Mike Levine. He is a good dude....crash his shit and the squatch will be available sooner then later..


https://twitter.com/mrlevine?ref_sr...69646.ampproject.net/2007040248002/frame.html
 
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