Current Events and Bible Prophecy

[plym49.2]

I think of religion as an API. It's the user interface that we as men use to connect with God.

Kind of like an iPhone or Android. Different user interfaces/APIs. But they both get you to the internet.

Every credible religion follows basically the same rules: Don't mess with your fellow man, put God first. Mchat nicely quoted the Bible's wording of it up above.

I don't think the choreography matters much (which day is Sabbath, etc., etc.). Religion gives man a framework. Guardrails for doing right for yourself and others.

 

[Thefishguy77]

One in the same.

No its not. If you think so then every Catholic is to blame for the raping of boys in the church.

Its that thinking that keeps us from having conversations. A “Conventional Religion” is about your personal relationship with God. Am I wrong? So by not being able to separate the church from the personal relationship with God we run into the same barricades that we see in any other emotional issue.
Covid: dont believe then your dead to me on both sides.

The way old school Jesus believes look on to the younger evangelical churches. Catholic, Wisconsin and Missouri Lutherans

Y2K apocalypse believes. If your not part of us now, you won’t be part of us after.

Its all emotionally driven retaredness.

 

[rockota]

No its not. If you think so then every Catholic is to blame for the raping of boys in the church.

Its that thinking that keeps us from having conversations. A “Conventional Religion” is about your personal relationship with God. Am I wrong? So by not being able to separate the church from the personal relationship with God we run into the same barricades that we see in any other emotional issue.
Covid: dont believe then your dead to me on both sides.

The way old school Jesus believes look on to the younger evangelical churches. Catholic, Wisconsin and Missouri Lutherans

Y2K apocalypse believes. If your not part of us now, you won’t be part of us after.

Its all emotionally driven retaredness.

The church is the people… have your read the Gospels?

You acccusing me or any catholic of being to blame for “raping of boys” is beyond the pale. You claim it’s emotional retardness but you’re the one posting emotional stuff. And if you really want to have a conversation, then dismissing anyone/anything who disagrees with your anger isn’t a good way to start said conversation.


No idea why you’re pulling Covid or y2k into this… that’s confusing.

 

[rockota]

I think of religion as an API. It's the user interface that we as men use to connect with God.

Kind of like an iPhone or Android. Different user interfaces/APIs. But they both get you to the internet.

Every credible religion follows basically the same rules: Don't mess with your fellow man, put God first. Mchat nicely quoted the Bible's wording of it up above.

I don't think the choreography matters much (which day is Sabbath, etc., etc.). Religion gives man a framework. Guardrails for doing right for yourself and others.

API.. that’s an extremely interesting analogy!

 

[Thefishguy77]

The church is the people… have your read the Gospels?

You acccusing me or any catholic of being to blame for “raping of boys” is beyond the pale. You claim it’s emotional retardness but you’re the one posting emotional stuff. And if you really want to have a conversation, then dismissing anyone/anything who disagrees with your anger isn’t a good way to start said conversation.


No idea why you’re pulling Covid or y2k into this… that’s confusing.

I was answering a question that you tangented off of. I am not angry like you are accusing me of. Sorry if it comes off that way. The gospels are not how the church is run or has been run for probably close to over a 1000 years now if not linger.
Once again you Catholics seem to be getting upset when someone attacks the Vatican, an extremely large, powerful and secretive Church. One that has a very bad recent history of sexual abuse of man on boy, One that has committed many henase acts in the name of God. Not just wars but destruction of much of the philosophy from the greek and roman era because it didn’t support the Catholic Churches believes, like most all religions.


As to putting references like covid and Y2K and the old Jesus vs Evangelical. they were 3 easy examples of the You’re wrong because you’re not like us mentally.

Believe I am attacking you if you want. But thats some interesting train of thinking you have.

There just to make sure I am guilty of what you accuse me of.

Know why there are 4 gospels? Four corners of the earth, four pillers holding it up. Seems like some legit square flat earth reasoning for why to limit it to 4 gospels.

 

[Otto M@n]

had a college professor once address the topic to a class this way:

If I, as a Christian and turned out to be wrong, what I have lost?
If I, as a Chrisian and turned out to be right, what have i gained?

(edit for clarity)

Insert Christian with whatever 10,000 religions exist out there.

You're a Christian because you were raised in a Christian household.

[For discussion sake] Your best friend is a Muslim, because he was raised in a Muslim household.

There's 3 options at the end of your life: You were right, your friend was right, both of you are wrong.

Either way, according to the thoughts of religion, there is a 33.3% chance one of you is going to hell. Also a 33.3% chance nothing happens when you kick the bucket.

 

[Otto M@n]

I think of religion as an API. It's the user interface that we as men use to connect with God.

Kind of like an iPhone or Android. Different user interfaces/APIs. But they both get you to the internet.

Every credible religion follows basically the same rules: Don't mess with your fellow man, put God first. Mchat nicely quoted the Bible's wording of it up above.

I don't think the choreography matters much (which day is Sabbath, etc., etc.). Religion gives man a framework. Guardrails for doing right for yourself and others.

Who is the convening authority on what is a 'credible' religion?

 

[rockota]

I was answering a question that you tangented off of. I am not angry like you are accusing me of. Sorry if it comes off that way. The gospels are not how the church is run or has been run for probably close to over a 1000 years now if not linger.
Once again you Catholics seem to be getting upset when someone attacks the Vatican, an extremely large, powerful and secretive Church. One that has a very bad recent history of sexual abuse of man on boy, One that has committed many henase acts in the name of God. Not just wars but destruction of much of the philosophy from the greek and roman era because it didn’t support the Catholic Churches believes, like most all religions.


As to putting references like covid and Y2K and the old Jesus vs Evangelical. they were 3 easy examples of the You’re wrong because you’re not like us mentally.

Believe I am attacking you if you want. But thats some interesting train of thinking you have.

There just to make sure I am guilty of what you accuse me of.

Know why there are 4 gospels? Four corners of the earth, four pillers holding it up. Seems like some legit square flat earth reasoning for why to limit it to 4 gospels.

stopped reading at the highlighted because it is both not true but sends you back to the position of being angry and divisive.

If you really want to have a converstaion, then enable it.

 

[rockota]

Insert Christian with whatever 10,000 religions exist out there.

You're a Christian because you were raised in a Christian household.

[For discussion sake] Your best friend is a Muslim, because he was raised in a Muslim household.

There's 3 options at the end of your life: You were right, your friend was right, both of you are wrong.

Either way, according to the thoughts of religion, there is a 33.3% chance one of you is going to hell. Also a 33.3% chance nothing happens when you kick the bucket.

I think you missed the point...

But, if you're going to assume that people are only Christians/Muslims/whatever because of the household in which they were raised, you've missed a lot of variables. And also teh point of the professor's comment.

 

[Otto M@n]

I think you missed the point...

But, if you're going to assume that people are only Christians/Muslims/whatever because of the household in which they were raised, you've missed a lot of variables. And also teh point of the professor's comment.

So you're saying ones household upbringing has zero influence on their religious view points as an adult?

 

[plym49.2]

Who is the convening authority on what is a 'credible' religion?

Great question. Tough to define. It's like porn, not easy to define but you know it when you see it. I'll give it a try:

I would suggest any 'religion' that espouses the kernel that you just don't mess with your fellow man. Even Atheism and Agnosticism can potentially be included if one sticks to this, although they do not acknowledge a God that is fundamental to the universe.

Folks who say that they are spiritual but do not follow any organized religion, well, they are using a command line interface.

 

[plym49.2]

Know why there are 4 gospels? Four corners of the earth, four pillers holding it up. Seems like some legit square flat earth reasoning for why to limit it to 4 gospels.

Just nope. God would add more triangulation. A sphere is a zillion tiny triangles.

 

[Otto M@n]

Great question. Tough to define. It's like porn, not easy to define but you know it when you see it. I'll give it a try:

I would suggest any 'religion' that espouses the kernel that you just don't mess with your fellow man. Even Atheism and Agnosticism can potentially be included if one sticks to this, although they do not acknowledge a God that is fundamental to the universe.

Folks who say that they are spiritual but do not follow any organized religion, well, they are using a command line interface.

So is religion defined by what man considers good and evil, or is good and evil defined by religion?

 

[rockota]

So you're saying ones household upbringing has zero influence on their religious view points as an adult?

Didn’t say that at all.

But your assumption that being raised Christian, Muslim or atheist defines that is what you become is a fallacy.

 

[Otto M@n]

Didn’t say that at all.

But your assumption that being raised Christian, Muslim or atheist defines that is what you become is a fallacy.

But you're insinuating it's a fallacy to acknowledge believes can be engrained into you from your parents?

 

[rockota]

But you're insinuating it's a fallacy to acknowledge believes can be engrained into you from your parents?

Nope. Go read what I said. You're adhering to the idea that beliefs are constant and never change... that if someone is born into an (insert preference here) they a) take on that belief set and b) never alter from that belief said.

That's false.

 

[Otto M@n]

Nope. Go read what I said. You're adhering to the idea that beliefs are constant and never change... that if someone is born into an (insert preference here) they a) take on that belief set and b) never alter from that belief said.

That's false.

Nope. Go read what I said.

Point out where I said beliefs never change.

 

[rockota]

Nope. Go read what I said.

Point out where I said beliefs never change.

So then your question about beliefs being engrained was a… diversion?

 

[Otto M@n]

So then your question about beliefs being engrained was a… diversion?

Still waiting to see where I said beliefs never change.

 

[rockota]

Still waiting to see where I said beliefs never change.

Post 366 sure implies it when you said:

You're a Christian because you were raised in a Christian household.

[For discussion sake] Your best friend is a Muslim, because he was raised in a Muslim.

 

[Otto M@n]

Post 366 sure implies it when you said:

You're a Christian because you were raised in a Christian household.

[For discussion sake] Your best friend is a Muslim, because he was raised in a Muslim.

Well I'm glad you took my hypothetical scenario as me stating it as a fact. I mean, hell, you even quoted my "for discussion sake" Either way, I'm glad you admit without admitting you spun my words, since you said 'sure implies'.

Or is 'sure implies' the same as 'never'?

I now know I have to ask very deliberate questions. So. Back to the topic of kids being raised [brainwashed?] to believe a certain way. Bear in mind, I don't particularly choose to single out religion. This same scenario can be applied to loyalty to a political party, certain sports teams, or car brands. You do a very good job of dancing around it so I'll try to be more specific.

What exactly do you mean by this:

"But, if you're going to assume that people are only Christians/Muslims/whatever because of the household in which they were raised, you've missed a lot of variables."

Do you believe every lifelong religious person (of whatever denomination) chose their said religion with zero influence from their parents?

 

[rockota]

Well I'm glad you took my hypothetical scenario as me stating it as a fact. I mean, hell, you even quoted my "for discussion sake" Either way, I'm glad you admit without admitting you spun my words, since you said 'sure implies'.

Or is 'sure implies' the same as 'never'?

I now know I have to ask very deliberate questions. So. Back to the topic of kids being raised [brainwashed?] to believe a certain way. Bear in mind, I don't particularly choose to single out religion. This same scenario can be applied to loyalty to a political party, certain sports teams, or car brands. You do a very good job of dancing around it so I'll try to be more specific.

What exactly do you mean by this:

"But, if you're going to assume that people are only Christians/Muslims/whatever because of the household in which they were raised, you've missed a lot of variables."

Do you believe every lifelong religious person (of whatever denomination) chose their said religion with zero influence from their parents?

I believe people are influenced by many people and events. Do parents have influence? Of course. Should they have influence? I would argue no one should have more influence on a kids life.

But like si suggested, that ignores a lot of variables. The people who became believers later in life. Or the people who became non-believers. Or anyone who has a belief or opinion different than their parents.

Which is exactly what I stated. To claims “brainwashing” by parents outs your position and ignores too many variables and experiences to count.

 

[Dead Pool]

Not sure if covered or not, but any thoughts on the monkeypox thing and rebuilding of the temple? I don't watch the news much but had a guy at work talking about signs of end times today.

 

[SanDiegoCJ]

Not sure if covered or not, but any thoughts on the monkeypox thing and rebuilding of the temple? I don't watch the news much but had a guy at work talking about signs of end times today.

People have been claiming one "sign" or another as being the "end times" and we're still here. BTW, if it's really the end times, who gives a flying fuck, we'll all be dead anyway.

 

[Animalmother]

People have been claiming one "sign" or another as being the "end times" and we're still here. BTW, if it's really the end times, who gives a flying fuck, we'll all be dead anyway.

Say the end times have been taking place last 500 years. Thats really just a blink of the eye in the grand scheme of it all.

 

[Dead Pool]

People have been claiming one "sign" or another as being the "end times" and we're still here. BTW, if it's really the end times, who gives a flying fuck, we'll all be dead anyway.

Well, some will be taken from the earth to Heaven's glory while others will be others will be here to fight the fight. If you're pre trib I suppose.

You just looking for somebody to argue with?

 

[CrustyJeep]

People have been claiming one "sign" or another as being the "end times" and we're still here. BTW, if it's really the end times, who gives a flying fuck, we'll all be dead anyway.

Not me. I'll be in hell with all the hookers and blow I can handle

 

[MChat]

Not sure if covered or not, but any thoughts on the monkeypox thing and rebuilding of the temple? I don't watch the news much but had a guy at work talking about signs of end times today.

Is there something I missed about the MonkeyPox thing relating to the rebuilding of the Jewish Temple?

It has long been thought that the Jews would eventually rebuild their temple in Jerusalem (either replacing the Islamic Dome of the Rock or being built "next" to it). The Antichrist is prophesied to sit in this new temple in the "Holy of Holies" and claim to be God.

"[The] man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God." - 2nd Thessalonians 2:3-4

 

[Dead Pool]

Completely unrelated as signs I believe.

 

[SanDiegoCJ]

Well, some will be taken from the earth to Heaven's glory while others will be others will be here to fight the fight. If you're pre trib I suppose.

You just looking for somebody to argue with?

What if I don't believe in any of that ?