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There is a lot of stress, anxiety, fear surrounding the rapture and the end times. It was taught to me as a kid and is almost traumatic.

When my wife and her siblings were little they were forced to watch end times videos that showed believers getting their heads cut off. It was their parents and other church members that made them watch these videos. All of them are scarred from it and carry baggage from other shit that was pushed on them. Like watching someone chase down a kid to exorcise demons from them in real life.

Of the 6 siblings none of them go to that type of church anymore. One is a catholic which caused hardship between them and their parents because "the catholic church is the whore", and one is a methodist. The other 4 don't go to church at all.
 
I have a question for you guys anticipating the end times being near. Back in the late 90's/early 2000's my wife and I were attending a couple non-denominational bible churches that are your typical "born again Christian" type churches. At that time, every "born again" based church in the area was convinced that Y2K was going to be the start of the end times and were encouraging their members to stockpile guns, ammo, and food. Also to coordinate meeting points with other members and other churches as well and sharing agreements. There was a church in the Cedar Rapids area that had a vault installed and every member had to donate x-amount of food and ammo to stay a member. I worked with a guy that was a member of that church at the time and he was telling everyone at work that they needed to join or they were doomed. The two churches we attended were in the same mindset, but not as adamant. Obviously, none of that came to fruition.

My question is, how many of you that are predicting this now, also were of the same mindset at that time? If so, when it didn't happen how did you feel about it and how did your churches explain the situation to the congregation? "Whoops, we were a little off on that one".

Back in the 80's during the farm crisis when farms were failing, bankers were getting shot, farmers were committing suicide, and there were no jobs, many of the same type churches were calling it the end times. In some cases, the same people that were also calling Y2K the end 20 years later.

Were any of you also predicting the end in the 80's? Also same question as above, when things turned back around how did the pastor explain it to the congregation?

What bothers me is that in both scenarios most pastors will switch from doomsday prophecy to we survived as a blessing from God at the snap of their fingers without anyone realizing how what really happened is they were 100% misled.

Those are genuine questions, not meant to downplay the importance of being aware.

This has been an interesting thread to read.
I don’t participate in organized religion. That said, there’s a lot thats “off” about all this shit, globally. That “gut feeling” should be an indicator to ask more questions.
 
When my wife and her siblings were little they were forced to watch end times videos that showed believers getting their heads cut off. It was their parents and other church members that made them watch these videos. All of them are scarred from it and carry baggage from other shit that was pushed on them. Like watching someone chase down a kid to exorcise demons from them in real life.

Of the 6 siblings none of them go to that type of church anymore. One is a catholic which caused hardship between them and their parents because "the catholic church is the whore", and one is a methodist. The other 4 don't go to church at all.
I've seen those videos. :laughing:
 
When my wife and her siblings were little they were forced to watch end times videos that showed believers getting their heads cut off.
Dang, Never saw anything that traumatic but yeah that would turn you off in a hurry.

Hearing revelation read, with interpolation, and being a kid you imagination is enough.
 
And your're implying that those not religious are not? :laughing:
No, but let me ask you this:

A guy goes postal because the voices in his head told him to kill a bus full of nuns

A guy goes postal because the god he believes him told him to kill a bus full of nuns

What's the difference? There is none :stirthepot:

There has been no singular bigger cause of [non-nature] causing human death than religion.
 
No, but let me ask you this:

A guy goes postal because the voices in his head told him to kill a bus full of nuns

A guy goes postal because the god he believes him told him to kill a bus full of nuns

What's the difference? There is none :stirthepot:

There has been no singular bigger cause of [non-nature] causing human death than religion.
More men have died over pussy than anything else.....:flipoff2:

What's your point? Crazy does not have boundaries.
 
None really, not against it, not for it, and not set in my ways in any one way shape or another.

I just know a hell of a lot more shit bags that are reglious than non religious shit bags.
 
I still come back to ”the temple must be destroyed and rebuilt three times” . That may not be the exact moment of the “end of times”, but it must precede it. So I think we got some time. Of course, as others have said, stocking up on necessities is a good thing for a lot of reasons. When a cat 5 hurricane went over my house, I had no power for three weeks. I didn’t have any real issues because of preparation.
 
None really, not against it, not for it, and not set in my ways in any one way shape or another.

I just know a hell of a lot more shit bags that are reglious than non religious shit bags.
Maybe you need to meet more people or....just the opposite :laughing:
 
My question is, how many of you that are predicting this now, also were of the same mindset at that time? If so, when it didn't happen how did you feel about it and how did your churches explain the situation to the congregation? "Whoops, we were a little off on that one".
Ironically, most of the churches that I've been a member of, have been "Pre-Trib." Thus, most of the pastors' views have been, "We don't have to worry about all that stuff that will happen during the Tribulation, we won't be here." I am not "Pre-Trib", based on my own study a am more "Post-Trib" or possibly "Pre-Wrath" (depending on one's definition of said "Wrath"). However, that is a discussion that would be sure to derail the thread, but I'd be happy to discuss via PM's or another thread as to why.

I have heard of churches that were looking for the 2nd coming at Y2K and even read at least some of the arguments "why", the main one being that since there were 6 days of creation and "one day is as a 1000 years, and 1000 years is as one day to God" that equates to 6000 years from the Garden of Eden to "the End". Basically this can be divided into three 2000 year blocks: The Garden of Eden to Abraham ("The Age of Creation/The Flood"), Abraham (and the Abrahamic Covenant, which is the beginning of "Israel") to Jesus ("The Age of Israel") and finally from Jesus to the Millenium ("The Church Age"); these 3 ages will be followed by one final 1000 year period "the Millenium" where Jesus reigns as King on earth while Satan is "locked up in the Abyss" (with a final battle with Satan at the end of the 1000 years when Satan is released from the Abyss.)

While all of this isn't something I disagree with, the churches that taught Y2K was the "end of the Church Age" made some mistakes. Mistakes that I (and others) recognized and understood at the time. So, no I wasn't "prepping" for the end of the world at Y2K, neither were the vast majority of Christians I knew at the time. The problem (which again I saw at the time) is that they were basing their calculations based on man's reckoning of years, not God's, and they also made a couple of assumptions:
  • They assumed the "Church Age" began with Jesus's birth. My belief is that the Church Age, the Age of Grace began when Jesus paid for our sins at the cross, died and rose alive 3 days later. (Resurrection Sunday). This would put "the end" somewhere around 2033, not 2000. Another point is that Biblical Historians have calculated that Jesus was not born "year 0" but somewhere between 3 and 7 BC. The Bible doesn't say how old Jesus was when He began His ministry on earth, or how old He was when He died and resurrected. According to historians (both secular and Biblical) this happened in either AD 32 or 33; if Jesus was actually born 7 BC that would make Him 40 years old at the cross (using 33 AD); the number 40 has a lot of Biblical significance and is often related to "trials": 40 years in the desert by Israel after the Exodus; 40 days of fasting by Moses and Jesus.
  • They assumed that man's calculation of years is the same as God's. We're basing ours off of our understanding of our planet's movement in the solar system; God is basing His off of His perfect knowledge. I'm not saying there's a huge discrepancy, but we're likely to be off a year or two (either direction).
There have also been other "leaders" and books written that attempted to use various methods to say "here's when the Tribulation will begin". As far as I know, none of these have been adopted by, nor followed by "mainstream" Christian churches.

I am basing my assumption that we are fast approaching those times based on what is going on around me. The darkness that is falling upon the earth and people all over the earth looking for someone for anyone to stand up and "save them." In other words, the world is looking for a messiah, but having rejected the one true Messiah (Jesus) the only one they'll get is Satan's counterfeit: the Antichrist.

How will we truly know who the Antichrist is, how will we know that the final 7 year "Tribulation" has begun? We won't, not until the Antichrist steps into a newly rebuilt Jewish temple and proclaims that he (the Antichrist) is God.

"The man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God." - 2nd Thessalonians 2:3-4

This verse tells us that this is how the Antichrist (the man of lawlessness) is revealed: he sits in the "holy of holies", the innermost chamber of the Jewish temple where only the High Priest of Israel and God Himself are allowed. (God will not actually "honor" this temple, so nobody would be "struck dead" for entering the Holy of Holies as was the case during Old Testament times.

What are believers to do when we see this happen?

"Therefore, when you see the abomination of desolation which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place—let the reader understand— then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains. Whoever is on the housetop must not go down to get things out of his house. And whoever is in the field must not turn back to get his cloak."

Leave, immediately, head for the hills, wilderness, anywhere out of the cities. Grab your SHTF bag and go.

"And when the dragon saw that he was thrown down to the earth, he persecuted the woman who gave birth to the male Child. But the two wings of the great eagle were given to the woman, so that she could fly into the wilderness to her place, where she was nourished for a time, times, and half a time, away from the presence of the serpent." - Revelation 12:13-14

I could be wrong in my interpretations here, but logically (and historically) the most likely place to "survive" is outside of the cities, in small communities of like-minded people "out in the woods."
 
My belief is that the Church Age, the Age of Grace began when Jesus paid for our sins at the cross, died and rose alive 3 days later. (Resurrection Sunday). This would put "the end" somewhere around 2033, not 2000.
(Twilight Zone music) Agenda 2030 anyone......
 
Not to worry, Agenda 2030 is the Cabal's plan; the Antichrist will "save" us from that. :lmao:

Out of the frying pan into the fire...
How does destroying their plan (Agenda 2030) help untie everyone?
 
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I would venture to say about as nuts as anyone else, eh? :laughing:

I don't think I am nuts (says every crazy person, yah?). Nor, am I very religious. I do read God's word and have a fair understanding of it though. I wouldn't call that crazy, just influenced by my belief in God and finding his word to be truth. No different than ones embracement of agnosticism, or atheism. I just have a different perspective and world view. That said... what is your belief system built on? I am always interested in opposing views. Sharing is caring.
Agreed. I am not religious but believe in creation not chaos. I think religion is something developed by man to control the masses in the name of God. I also think the Catholic Church is probably as evil as Islam.
 
Agreed. I am not religious but believe in creation not chaos. I think religion is something developed by man to control the masses in the name of God. I also think the Catholic Church is probably as evil as Islam.

Well put:beer:
 
Catholic Church is probably as evil as Islam.
You're a racist :flipoff2:

Actually any faith, religion, church, building, house, store. They will all have good and bad people in them. They will have people that will be saved and people that will not.
Only God is perfect. Everyone else falls short.

Although I don't agree with the creed or all of the ideology of the Catholic church, I have attended services that practiced very bible based beliefs and teachings, which are contrary to the Catholic creed.
Apparently the congregation accepted it and didn't kick him out.
Yet they are still called Catholics.
6 blocks away, a completely different Catholic church with different leaders and different teachings.

So it really comes down to each church, each leader, and each follower.
The bible tells us to test what we see and hear in the light of scripture. It is up to us to figure out if our church, or church leader is speaking truth.

Same principal as, we all know only gay people drive chevys, but I bought a corvette anyway. :dustin:
 
Agreed. I am not religious but believe in creation not chaos. I think religion is something developed by man to control the masses in the name of God. I also think the Catholic Church is probably as evil as Islam.
Yes and no. Religion in of itself can be good. Man on the other hand....

That's why I have an issue with "organized" religion. I enjoy studying and discussing theories but I do believe many (man) wants to control and will use whatever is available to do that. That's not to say every person that preaches the gospel is corrupts or has bad intentions. I'm just saying for the large part, I don't trust man. I trust myself, my heart and what God reveals unto me. He gave us a conscious.

That's not to say I fully understand all that is written and I really enjoy listening (and reading) to those that may have a better understanding like MChat. I know a few others that have alot more studying in than I.
 
I am more of an Old Gods person…
Something about the King James version of Jesus. The massive effort the Church made to destroy the teachings from the Ancient Greeks and Romans. Then the war on the Paleo Christians, The razing of Ellisus, the place that held most all the writings from who we considered the discovers of philosophy.

I think the Paleo Christians may have probably been living close to the ideas of Jesus but its only translated and loosely recorded history about a group that the Catholic church tried to wipe off the books.

Wine and Beer today have zero resemblance of Wine and Beer for the age of Jesus and before. Beer and then later Wine was often hallucinogenic. Most of the old beliefs that dont fear death and instead embrace it as the next journey had routinely communicated with he Gods via drink or eating certain stuff.

Either way there is no room in Valhalla for cowards. :beer: SKOL
 
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Most of the old beliefs that dont fear death and instead embrace it as the next journey had routinely communicated with he Gods via drink or eating certain stuff.
It’s amazing how well endorphins work for this too.
 
Agreed. I am not religious but believe in creation not chaos. I think religion is something developed by man to control the masses in the name of God. I also think the Catholic Church is probably as evil as Islam.
Based on my study and experience, God never wanted "religion", He wanted a relationship. Adam was created in the Garden for that purpose; when he sinned, the relationship was broken and there was nothing Adam could do to repair it. So, God Himself, Jesus, came to restore the relationship by His death on the cross and His resurrection 3 days later.

What does Adam have to do with me though? Why is Adam's sin my issue?

When Adam fell, the nature of man was changed; that which was uncorrupted became corrupted. I get into this in my seminars, but when Adam fell the subconscious mind either changed or came into existence. We sin because, through Adam, we have a sin nature. Also, if God didn't "put" Adam's sin onto us, He would be unjustified to "put" Jesus's righteousness into us and every single one of us would fall individually requiring an individual Christ to be sacrificed for each of us.

"So also it is written: “The first man, Adam, became a living person.” The last Adam [Jesus] was a life-giving spirit. However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural; then the spiritual. The first man is from the earth, earthy; the second man is from heaven. As is the earthy one, so also are those who are earthy; and as is the heavenly one, so also are those who are heavenly. Just as we have borne the image of the earthy, we will also bear the image of the heavenly." - 1 Corinthians 15:45-49


There is another lesson in this: it is God who was "offended" (sinned against), yet it was God who restored the relationship. Thus, the importance placed on forgiving others:

"And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors." - Matthew 6:12
"For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses." - Matthew 6:14-15
 
Well, we had a pretty good run on this with the actual prophecy and current events stuff before it started going downhill into bashing religion, but I guess that's natural for around here.
 
Well, we had a pretty good run on this with the actual prophecy and current events stuff before it started going downhill into bashing religion, but I guess that's natural for around here.

Hard to support an idealogy that largely drives adherence through fear, and is more often than not, driven into your head as a child. So when you lived a life of being told something as absolute truth, it is natural to reject the idea of anything else.

I used to laugh at the people that would "Find Jesus" through their time in prison or someway later on in their life, but I've come to respect them more than those that were taught it since they could remember. At least those that found him experienced something (no matter how sincere or believeable) to drive them to that belief.
 
Hard to support an idealogy that largely drives adherence through fear, and is more often than not, driven into your head as a child. So when you lived a life of being told something as absolute truth, it is natural to reject the idea of anything else.

I used to laugh at the people that would "Find Jesus" through their time in prison or someway later on in their life, but I've come to respect them more than those that were taught it since they could remember. At least those that found him experienced something (no matter how sincere or believeable) to drive them to that belief.
See?
 
Before the reformation there were major wars fought in the name of God. The Catholic Church has turned a blind eyebto its Clergy that has enough members raping young boys using their power and influence to keep it quiet. The mountain of bodies under the Vatican. Its been nothing but extreme manipulation, rape (sodomy of a boy by a man in particular), and destruction of anyone who questions their authority up until recent history and even now I am sure it happens just not openly talking about squashing this heretic or that pagan. All the while incorporating a HUGE number of pagan traditions in order to draw in the less than willing.
 
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