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I just can't see this ever happening. I'm not a believer to begin with, so my opinion should mean very little to you guys anyway.
Whats so unbelievable about a cult of personality? History is rife with examples.

Hell, a good portion of the country worship celebrities, e-thots, and tiktok whores already.
 
Whats so unbelievable about a cult of personality? History is rife with examples.

Hell, a good portion of the country worship celebrities, e-thots, and tiktok whores already.
The part about EVERYBODY aligning around a particular person/entity is what I can't see happening. From the way I read that it, doesn't mean that the person/entity is popular, but that all people are aligned completely. I just don't see that as realistic.
 
The part about EVERYBODY aligning around a particular person/entity is what I can't see happening. From the way I read that it, doesn't mean that the person/entity is popular, but that all people are aligned completely. I just don't see that as realistic.
personally,, i’m not sure that’s necessary. Yes, having zero opposition would be tough with free will involved with the current version of the human race, but the point could very well be just having of that “peace and tranquility” to make a worldwide difference… Have somebody with a strong enough personality come in right when the world is about at its breaking point with wars, corruption, inflation, etc., (sound familiar?) and enough people to effect that change may be all on board..
 
personally,, i’m not sure that’s necessary. Yes, having zero opposition would be tough with free will involved with the current version of the human race, but the point could very well be just having of that “peace and tranquility” to make a worldwide difference… Have somebody with a strong enough personality come in right when the world is about at its breaking point with wars, corruption, inflation, etc., (sound familiar?) and enough people to effect that change may be all on board..
Thanks for explaining. I don't believe any of this stuff, but it's interesting to me none the less.
 
Why? not challenging the contention or anything, just wondering what you base that on?

Reading revelations, I don't see anything that fits America's description. Historically, and "empire" has only gotten shorter (starting with the Greeks, Romans, Britain, etc). My impression is that it's going to be someone from a European country - but that's just my impression. I'd have to go back and study it again to get you some verses for reference.
 
The antichrist will present as a peacemaker, a great uniter of nations and peoples. He will make promises and show great signs of wonder. The unholy trinity will amaze people with many sorts of gimmicks. The beast will even survive a fatal wound and people will rally for him. They will say aloud "who is like him, who can triumph over him"? And those people will be deceived.
This makes me think it’ll coincide with the rise of the machines and humanoids.
 
The Antichrist will be a uniter, not a divider; 44, 45 and 46 have all been divisive.

44 and 46, yes very divisive. Basically, the whole Democratic Party is divisive. Trump was not divisive, it was democratic press that made it appear that he was. In fact, he had reasonable support of people when he took office. During his term millions of people of all kinds came to trust him. (Even though the press lied at every chance) By the time he got cheated, he had won over much of the world. He is probably the biggest uniter of all time. And it still continues.

Im not suggesting he is the AC, but he fits in that regard.
 
Thanks, that makes sense. Was not understanding the second part.

So, who are the leading AC candidates? Obama? Soros? A Soros stooge yet to come? Does the AC have to be American?
If I am correct in my interpretations of the verses and correct in my interpretation of current world politics, Obama and Soros will be part of the "Whore of Babylon" which are destroyed by the Antichrist's 10 kings. (Excerpts from Rev 17)

I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast, full of blasphemous names, having seven heads and ten horns. The woman was clothed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold, precious stones, and pearls, holding in her hand a gold cup full of abominations and of the unclean things of her sexual immorality, and on her forehead a name was written, a mystery: “BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF PROSTITUTES AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.”

The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but they receive authority as kings with the beast for one hour.

And the ten horns which you saw, and the beast, these will hate the prostitute and will make her desolate and naked, and will eat her flesh and will burn her up with fire.

I believe this "whore of Babylon" are the elite families, in this passage they are "riding" (e.g. in control of) the final beast (the NWO). In Biblical Prophecy beasts are typically nations or governments. This "whore of Babylon" then could be the elite families "controlling" the 10 kings through the central banking system.

These 10 kings "hate the whore" and destroy her. I see this as potentially exposing the elite families and their minions for all the world to see (if 1/10th of the things in the Fall of the Cabal videos is true there is much absolute corruption, debauchery and out right evil that these people have done; and from the research I have done on my own, it seems like Fall of the Cabal is actually only scratching the surface as this isn't something that these families have been doing just in the last century, but they have been doing it for millennia!

Supposing that the conspiracy theories are at least partially true: these elite families are worshipers of Lucifer/Lilith and have been performing human sacrifices, they have also been controlling governments through their central banks, and they controlled the media and convinced 70% of the world to inject a poison into their bodies in the form of (not) a vaccine. And suppose someone exposed all of this to the world and at the same time took them down; causing the collapse of the central banks and all of the fiat currency (Is this why when Babylon collapses "the merchants of the earth weep and mourn over her, because no one buys their cargo any more" - Rev 18:11

Some would say "well why would Satan's Antichrist destroy these elite families that worship him?" I've thought about this and while I don't have a particular verse in mind, I believe it is because what these elites believe about Lucifer isn't true: in other words, they aren't really worshiping Satan, they are worshiping a figment of their imagination and Satan wants to be worshiped for who he truly is rather than a lie (even though he is the father of deceit).

So, in my theory, the Antichrist will be someone that exposes and takes down the elite, the "cabal" and exposes their crimes for the entire world to see, then uniting the world with a new government and a new currency, likely some sort of crypto that will ultimately require a chip in the hand or forehead (a.k.a. "The Mark of the Beast").

44 and 46, yes very divisive. Basically, the whole Democratic Party is divisive. Trump was not divisive, it was democratic press that made it appear that he was. In fact, he had reasonable support of people when he took office. During his term millions of people of all kinds came to trust him. (Even though the press lied at every chance) By the time he got cheated, he had won over much of the world. He is probably the biggest uniter of all time. And it still continues.

Im not suggesting he is the AC, but he fits in that regard.
Actually, after watching the Fall of the Cabal videos, I had Trump pegged as being one of the 10 Kings with "JFK Jr." as the Antichrist (if he indeed is still alive as the videos allege). There is someone that could unite both the Democrats and Republicans. There is someone who would have recovered from a "deadly wound."

I do agree with you, however, the media was working against him every step of the way and if they hadn't, he would have been seen as a uniter. However, too much of the radical left absolutely hate him. And too much of the Democrat base just bought into the lies and would never unite under him (unless maybe he did expose "the Cabal").

I think Trump is losing momentum and people are waking up to QAnon just being another cog in the current psyop to maintain control over the vast, vast majority of the population. While QAnon may have a fake, the research done by the rest of the anons and what they uncoverred about the elite families has done a great deal to expose the sins of the "whore of babylon" (if this is indeed correct).

As for actual candidates for the AC? I honestly don't think Biblically he will be "an American". The Bible calls him the Assyrian (I'll try to dig up the passages later, I have someplace to be in 7 minutes). And there's also passages that indicate he will be European. Having said all of that, of any of the people in the "news" these days, I would say Elon Musk has a ton of potential... :stirthepot:
 
if Soros is gonna be anything it better happen quick. That’s one old mofo.
 
The tribulation is going to be a very bumpy ride for many. The first 3.5 years will look somewhat peaceful, and even hopeful at times to some. The last 3.5 years will be a complete nightmare I can't imagine. A world void of Gods presence in any way shape or form for the entirety of the tribulation period. And the only stop to it will be the return of Christ to halt it. There's a number of details I won't delve into, and if you like I will... but the short version is famine, pestilence, disease on a scale unseen throughout history, war and strife, unrelentless fear and chaos. Lots of death.

The antichrist will present as a peacemaker, a great uniter of nations and peoples. He will make promises and show great signs of wonder. The unholy trinity will amaze people with many sorts of gimmicks. The beast will even survive a fatal wound and people will rally for him. They will say aloud "who is like him, who can triumph over him"? And those people will be deceived.
Simple analogy… just believe, don’t question.

Just like many folks don’t want their little bubble burst…. They’ll eat it up.
 
When Joe Rogan asked Elon Musk how he has accomplished all of the things he has, Elon said "because i'm an alien." So it can't be him because we've already established that the AC will be human.
 
Falling down rabbit holes on YT shows a lot of people making the same or very similar interpretations.
The part I’m having a problem with is seeing how investing in “tools” for self preservation reconciles with good.
 
When Joe Rogan asked Elon Musk how he has accomplished all of the things he has, Elon said "because i'm an alien." So it can't be him because we've already established that the AC will be human.
You know there’s other definitions for “alien” beyond just extraterrestrials.
 
When you talk about the AC, we had talked about this before. Yes people often picture it has to be someone powerful like obama, trump or putan. But I think it will be someone more like a buddha, or nelson mandela. Someone people just love and believe in. Someone not powerful but rises to power and the masses follow them.

Also I think one of the acts that get people to follow the cult is a miracle. Some people believe it will be like, he is killed on TV and come back to life. Gone so far as to assume it will be something like his head is cut off and he comes back to life.
 
Falling down rabbit holes on YT shows a lot of people making the same or very similar interpretations.
The part I’m having a problem with is seeing how investing in “tools” for self preservation reconciles with good.
"If anyone is destined for captivity, to captivity he goes; if anyone kills with the sword, with the sword he must be killed. Here is the perseverance and the faith of the saints." - Revelation 13:10

I believe it may simply come down to this: if you fight back, in all likelihood you will be killed. If you don't fight back, you will likely end up imprisoned (to be tortured and eventually beheaded). As for me, I agree with Euripides: I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees.
 
"If anyone is destined for captivity, to captivity he goes; if anyone kills with the sword, with the sword he must be killed. Here is the perseverance and the faith of the saints." - Revelation 13:10

I believe it may simply come down to this: if you fight back, in all likelihood you will be killed. If you don't fight back, you will likely end up imprisoned (to be tortured and eventually beheaded). As for me, I agree with Euripides: I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees.
Thanks, It’s an interesting conundrum. Mostly to “if anyone kills with the sword, with the sword he must be killed.”
Is that killing in an angry offensive or a defensive stance?
 
"If anyone is destined for captivity, to captivity he goes; if anyone kills with the sword, with the sword he must be killed. Here is the perseverance and the faith of the saints." - Revelation 13:10

I believe it may simply come down to this: if you fight back, in all likelihood you will be killed. If you don't fight back, you will likely end up imprisoned (to be tortured and eventually beheaded). As for me, I agree with Euripides: I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees.
And I'll take as many as possible with me.... 😉
 
Is that killing in an angry offensive or a defensive stance?
Offensive, definitely. Defensive, not so sure.

"And He said to them, “But now, whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and whoever has no sword is to sell his cloak and buy one." - Luke 22:36

"And when the dragon saw that he was thrown down to the earth, he persecuted the woman who gave birth to the male Child. But the two wings of the great eagle were given to the woman, so that she could fly into the wilderness to her place, where she was nourished for a time, times, and half a time, away from the presence of the serpent." - Revelation 12:13-14

Sounds like "hiding out in the woods" is a plausible option.
 
Thanks, It’s an interesting conundrum. Mostly to “if anyone kills with the sword, with the sword he must be killed.”
Is that killing in an angry offensive or a defensive stance?
One of my favorite verses
Joel 3:10

"Beat your plowshares into swords

and your pruning hooks into spears.

Let the weakling say,

“I am strong!”"
 
I've recently been going to church/Bible study and I really like the book of Joel.

I've been going to Athey Creek. It's a great service and pastor Brett does a fantastic job. If anyone is interested, check it out. People from all over the world watch online, I'm happy to be 15min away to go every Sunday. The Bible prophecy he does is good as well. Its the first Saturday of every month, I believe.

 
I have a question for you guys anticipating the end times being near. Back in the late 90's/early 2000's my wife and I were attending a couple non-denominational bible churches that are your typical "born again Christian" type churches. At that time, every "born again" based church in the area was convinced that Y2K was going to be the start of the end times and were encouraging their members to stockpile guns, ammo, and food. Also to coordinate meeting points with other members and other churches as well and sharing agreements. There was a church in the Cedar Rapids area that had a vault installed and every member had to donate x-amount of food and ammo to stay a member. I worked with a guy that was a member of that church at the time and he was telling everyone at work that they needed to join or they were doomed. The two churches we attended were in the same mindset, but not as adamant. Obviously, none of that came to fruition.

My question is, how many of you that are predicting this now, also were of the same mindset at that time? If so, when it didn't happen how did you feel about it and how did your churches explain the situation to the congregation? "Whoops, we were a little off on that one".

Back in the 80's during the farm crisis when farms were failing, bankers were getting shot, farmers were committing suicide, and there were no jobs, many of the same type churches were calling it the end times. In some cases, the same people that were also calling Y2K the end 20 years later.

Were any of you also predicting the end in the 80's? Also same question as above, when things turned back around how did the pastor explain it to the congregation?

What bothers me is that in both scenarios most pastors will switch from doomsday prophecy to we survived as a blessing from God at the snap of their fingers without anyone realizing how what really happened is they were 100% misled.

Those are genuine questions, not meant to downplay the importance of being aware.

This has been an interesting thread to read.
 
I have a question for you guys anticipating the end times being near. Back in the late 90's/early 2000's my wife and I were attending a couple non-denominational bible churches that are your typical "born again Christian" type churches. At that time, every "born again" based church in the area was convinced that Y2K was going to be the start of the end times and were encouraging their members to stockpile guns, ammo, and food. Also to coordinate meeting points with other members and other churches as well and sharing agreements. There was a church in the Cedar Rapids area that had a vault installed and every member had to donate x-amount of food and ammo to stay a member. I worked with a guy that was a member of that church at the time and he was telling everyone at work that they needed to join or they were doomed. The two churches we attended were in the same mindset, but not as adamant. Obviously, none of that came to fruition.

My question is, how many of you that are predicting this now, also were of the same mindset at that time? If so, when it didn't happen how did you feel about it and how did your churches explain the situation to the congregation? "Whoops, we were a little off on that one".

Back in the 80's during the farm crisis when farms were failing, bankers were getting shot, farmers were committing suicide, and there were no jobs, many of the same type churches were calling it the end times. In some cases, the same people that were also calling Y2K the end 20 years later.

Were any of you also predicting the end in the 80's? Also same question as above, when things turned back around how did the pastor explain it to the congregation?

What bothers me is that in both scenarios most pastors will switch from doomsday prophecy to we survived as a blessing from God at the snap of their fingers without anyone realizing how what really happened is they were 100% misled.

Those are genuine questions, not meant to downplay the importance of being aware.

This has been an interesting thread to read.
No one....not even Jesus himself knows when that time is. Anyone telling you different or that they know is either lying or fooling themselves.

I'm not saying there are no signs as they are and those paying attention will see them. The person that waits till the end to try and prepare is and will be un-prepared. That's not to mean you should be stock piling everything you think you'll need but it never hurts to have a supply of things because even a natural disaster can and will eventually happen.

What each person should be prepared for is today being your last day.
 
No one....not even Jesus himself knows when that time is. Anyone telling you different or that they know is either lying or fooling themselves.

I'm not saying there are no signs as they are and those paying attention will see them. The person that waits till the end to try and prepare is and will be un-prepared. That's not to mean you should be stock piling everything you think you'll need but it never hurts to have a supply of things because even a natural disaster can and will eventually happen.

What each person should be prepared for is today being your last day.

I get that. It's pretty clear that nobody will know when. My question is, to anyone that has predicted that the end is near multiple times, or has gone to or belonged to a church that has, how did those pastors/congregations handle moving forward when they were obviously wrong. A congregation/pastor/church being wrong multiple times should lose the confidence of the members. *should.
 
I get that. It's pretty clear that nobody will know when. My question is, to anyone that has predicted that the end is near multiple times, or has gone to or belonged to a church that has, how did those pastors/congregations handle moving forward when they were obviously wrong. A congregation/pastor/church being wrong multiple times should lose the confidence of the members. *should.
There are lot of leaders that have predicted the end times repeatedly and failed.

Same with every other major world event.

Y2k in the church I was attending was a big deal. But also the government told us it was a big deal. So we prepared but we never really connected it with us being in the end times.

Every day is one day closer to Jesus return. Been that way for thousands of years.

Stocking up on supplies is never a bad thing. how is your toilet paper holding out?

But no not every event triggers "this is the big one" to every believer.

Campeth. I will have to google, he was one that predicted the end and failed, and he is still teaching. I never understood that.

ha found it, Harold Camping.
First prediction, 1994, again 2011
2011 end times prediction - Wikipedia
 
I get that. It's pretty clear that nobody will know when. My question is, to anyone that has predicted that the end is near multiple times, or has gone to or belonged to a church that has, how did those pastors/congregations handle moving forward when they were obviously wrong. A congregation/pastor/church being wrong multiple times should lose the confidence of the members. *should.
That I can't answer. I've only been told to always be prepared for this could be my last day. Oh, we have discussed signs and what is coming but, I've never been told that the end is a specific time away or within a certain amount of time. If I had, I'd politely tip my hat on my way out.

Again, I'm not saying there are not signs as we have been told that they are and specifically what to look for.

However, I've heard all my life (in general conversation) we are in the end of time days. My father has said he's heard the same all his life and I'd venture to say its the same with every generation. Eventually however, one will be correct.

Things are bad right now but they've been bad before....those of us that lived and remember the late 70s know all too well.

There are somethings different though, they were not trying to disarm us or at least not to the point they are now. I think social media has caused alot of this. Its giving a large platform to alot of ignorance.
 
There is a lot of stress, anxiety, fear surrounding the rapture and the end times. It was taught to me as a kid and is almost traumatic.

So I tried to keep it simple. 39 times the bible mentions the return of Christ. It says every eye shall see him on that day.

You do not need to go look for him. If you do then you are chasing a false christ. Every eye on planet earth will see him at the same time.
That seems pretty cut and dry to me. Ignore everything else.

The end times shouldn't scare you or anyone really. We should already be prepared in our mind and spirit.

As I previously mentioned harold camping, he firmly believed the world would end in october 2011. He died before it got here. That can happen to any of us.

Back around Y2K when people would raise the question about if that will be the end times. I remember one pastor saying that the earth existed 2000 years before christ and is of course is about 2000 years after christ. So logic says yes we are at the end.
But then we could still be 2000 years away from the end.

Everything degrades over time. You put a wooden fence post in the ground it rots away. Our bodies as we get old fall apart. Cars rust away to nothing. Garbage in our landfills break down to nothing over time.
Seeing society slowly collapse really has nothing to do with the end times. Sure it has to do with evil and sin. But it is a normal progression.
 
If there's one constant in life, it's that religious people are nuts. :laughing:
 
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If there's one constant in life, it's that religious people are nuts. :laughing:
I would venture to say about as nuts as anyone else, eh? :laughing:

I don't think I am nuts (says every crazy person, yah?). Nor, am I very religious. I do read God's word and have a fair understanding of it though. I wouldn't call that crazy, just influenced by my belief in God and finding his word to be truth. No different than ones embracement of agnosticism, or atheism. I just have a different perspective and world view. That said... what is your belief system built on? I am always interested in opposing views. Sharing is caring.
 
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