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COVID Vaccine!

  • Yes, I trust my government

    Votes: 13 9.4%

  • Hell to the naw

    Votes: 60 43.5%

  • I'll wait as late as possible to see what happens to others muahahahah

    Votes: 51 37.0%

  • Bacon

    Votes: 14 10.1%
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Arps said:
Also consider where most of the tests are coming from (a Chicago storage facility is insuring them for about 300k a truck load) and money for PPE. All back to China.
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Well Chicago is the epicenter of organization :lmao:
 
TheFlyingDildocupine said:
LOL so smallpox vaccines, polio vaccines, mumps, etc... are giving up essential liberty for temporary safety? Last I checked outside of some idiot anti-vaxxer type's kids coming down with the mumps recently those diseases have been damn near eradicated by this "temporary" safety.
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Or immigrants who haven't been vaccinated, legal or illegal
 
TheFlyingDildocupine said:
That's because the flu vaccine is a guessing game. They try to anticipate which strain might be the prevalent one and tailor the vaccine to it, and about half the time they get it wrong.
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SARS/Covid also mutate and appear in different strains.
 
TheFlyingDildocupine said:
True, but so far it doesn't seem to be as varied as the flu so this one should hopefully hold better than a flu shot.
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hopes and prayers... wouldn't a data scientist focus on numbers, facts and historical data instead of hopes?
 
SomeGuy said:
Nice fail. :flipoff2:
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Not quite.

Your entire point was that the risk of getting covid and dying or long term side effects outweighs any risk this vaccine may have.

You have zero facts or data to back this up and are merely doing as your leader says, even though they were saying the complete opposite last month.

Fact-the current chance of dying of covid is around .04% and this is using crooked and adjusted data to drive fear.

Fact-the US has not seen an excess in the death rate this entire year, yet we’re being told that covid is a severe threat.

Fact-you have no idea, nor does anyone about the long term or possible side effects of a vaccine created in a few short months.

Fact-your lord and savior, along with every other dem said a short while ago that a drug pushed out this fast cannot be trusted and now all of a sudden their opinions changed after the election.
 
TheFlyingDildocupine said:
Coming from someone that thinks fringe media types are a better source than scientific journals? That doesn't sting the way you might think it does.
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once you can provide evidence of your claim (back to that data thing...), then you can make a statement.
 
Eric said:
SARS/Covid also mutate and appear in different strains.
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The main difference between this and the flu is we know what strain is causing the "pandemic" now. When scientists work on the flu shot they are guessing what strain is going to impact the public the most. If they guess wrong the flu vaccine doesn't do much. In this case there is no worry about guessing wrong because there is only one SARS version causing the "pandemic". edit: I am a bit mistaken here and can own up to that. It turns out the COVID virus has mutated in people, but to this point, one vaccine can treat them all.


Additionally, I agree there is some risk for a vaccine not being fully vetted here, I personally feel that is quite negligible because this is essentially the same vaccine scientists have created many times before. It is just slightly altered to work for this version of COVID. So far all testing has confirmed the side effects do not differ from other similar vaccines (again, not saying something doesn't change, but I personally feel the risk is incredibly small).
 
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rockota said:
they'll put it in the water like flouride... easier.
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I'm on a well. Good luck with that. :laughing: Speaking of sneaky people. What does everyone make of this. :stirthepot:

https://patents.google.com/patent/US20200279585A1/en

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Rockbuggy84 said:
Not quite.

Your entire point was that the risk of getting covid and dying or long term side effects outweighs any risk this vaccine may have.

You have zero facts or data to back this up and are merely doing as your leader says, even though they were saying the complete opposite last month.

Fact-the current chance of dying of covid is around .04% and this is using crooked and adjusted data to drive fear.

Fact-the US has not seen an excess in the death rate this entire year, yet we’re being told that covid is a severe threat.

Fact-you have no idea, nor does anyone about the long term or possible side effects of a vaccine created in a few short months.

Fact-your lord and savior, along with every other dem said a short while ago that a drug pushed out this fast cannot be trusted and now all of a sudden their opinions changed after the election.
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Uhm...you can easily flip this around. You have no facts or data to backup that the vaccine will have negative side effects.

How do you come to your 0.04%? Show your work. If you're taking current total deaths dividing by total population, that's inaccurate as not everyone has been exposed yet...give it time.

Give me death rate trends by year by cause of death...have others been lower? (Hint: some have been, some have also been higher).

I'm not a dem or other idiot...just realistically, most vaccines have had a HUGE net positive, and although this one has been done fast, it's not like they started from complete scratch here, we have experience creating vaccines for decades to build on...I would EXPECT vaccine development is faster now than decades ago. Also, weren't the repubs touting they had developed a vaccine and how Trump should get credit and how no one else could have developed one faster? Pot meet Kettle.

Either way, I'm not signing up to be first in line here but I'm also not going to skip getting one when it's available.
 
If you feel any issues with the vaccine is negligible, you take it. Personally I don't feel this warrants a vaccine. Its a virus...not a plague. But to each their own.
 
I want to say that this vaccine is gonna either screw up or kill a bunch of people, but I actually think they've been developing this shit for quite a while. I dont believe this virus just randomly got spread. I can't understand how it went from nowhere to literally all over the world so fast, and yes I understand transmission rates. For a virus that ia "so scary and deadly" while having a 99%± survivability rate in healthy adults to "you could have it and not even know it" bullshit, we've ALL been played like fools. The ones that have fallen in line like good subjects have been made to think those of us that won't are terrible people.

Maybe a bunch of us will one day wake up. Or get killed off. Im good with either.
 
Thumping said:
If you feel any issues with the vaccine is negligible, you take it. Personally I don't feel this warrants a vaccine. Its a virus...not a plague. But to each their own.
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Yup, if a guy wants to put vaccines, shitty food, drugs or penises in his body, that's his choice, he doesn't need my approval, I'll just be over here minding my own business:laughing:
 
https://theconversation.com/less-th...cine-heres-why-you-shouldnt-be-alarmed-150414

I’m a clinical trials geek. I keep hearing people talk about the seven to ten years it takes to make a vaccine and how dangerous speeding this up might be. The word that keeps popping up is “rushed”, and it is making the average person nervous about vaccine safety. So, as a clinical trials doctor, I am going to tell you what I do for most of those ten years – and it is not very much.

I’m not lazy. I submit grants, have them rejected, resubmit them, wait for review, resubmit them somewhere else, sometimes in a loop of doom. When I am lucky enough to get trials funded, I then spend months on submitting to ethics boards. I wait for regulators, deal with personnel changes at the drugs company and a “change of focus” away from my trials, and eventually, if I am very lucky, I spend time setting up trials: finding sites, training sites, panicking because recruitment is poor, finding more sites. I then usually have more regulatory issues and, finally, if my big pot of luck is not used up, I might have a viable therapy – or not.

At this point, it might get delayed because of questions over profitability or any number of other obstacles. I’m not even going to go into the years it normally takes to get the “preclinical” studies, the ones before the human trials, done.
Ten years to develop a vaccine is a bad thing


So next time somebody expresses concern at the astonishing speed the vaccine trials have happened at, point out to them that ten years isn’t a good thing, it’s a bad thing. It’s not ten years because that is safe, it’s ten hard years of battling indifference, commercial imperatives, luck and red tape. It represents barriers in the process that we have now proved are “easy” to overcome. You just need unlimited cash, some clever and highly motivated people, all the world’s trial infrastructure, an almost unlimited pool of altruistic, wonderful trial volunteers and some sensible regulators.

With all of this and the clock ticking on a global pandemic killing people by the second, it turns out we can do amazing things. The vaccine trials have been nothing short of a miracle. A revolution in how we do trials that when you think about it is perhaps not that surprising given our ability to innovate when we really need to.

And we really need to – necessity being the mother of invention. Safety has not been compromised. All trials have been through the correct “phases” or process of any normal drug or vaccine. Hundreds of thousands of the very best of us volunteered and had an experimental vaccine. The world watched so closely that when a single person fell ill, we were all debating it.

To date, there has not been a single associated death related to COVID vaccines and only a handful of potentially serious events. Just imagine watching everybody in a small city for six months and reporting every single heart attack, stroke, neurological condition or anything that might be judged serious. How astonishing is this? It has been a triumph of medical science.

I haven’t even touched on the lucky confluence of timing that meant this all happened at a time when sequencing all the genes in a person or virus is so routine nobody bats an eyelid. This turbocharged the early preclinical science needed as the foundation stone of several new technologies at the right point to be exploited.

At this time, three vaccines have already broken cover and demonstrated efficacy higher than we had ever hoped. The bar was set by regulators at around 50%. Both Moderna and Pfizer reported 95% efficacy, and Oxford University reported 90% efficacy for a particular dosage regimen. Safety data is still to follow, but the track record of vaccines is excellent, and I am an optimist.

None of this is to downplay the challenges still ahead. It is also not to say vaccines are without safety questions still to be answered. It has been, however, a triumph of good process and great people. I am confident that when regulators pore over the safety and efficacy data, closely followed by every interested scientist in the world, that vaccines will only be used if their benefits clearly outweigh the risks – and you should be confident too.
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Jackie Treehorn said:
With people I talk to those that speak loudest against masks and lockdowns are also dead set against the vaccine, which seems strange to me. I don’t know if vaccines will eliminate the virus but if it gets life back to normal I’m all for it. I’ll do my part and take it.
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Dream on.Never in your lifetime will there come a time when the .gov allows you to resume a normal life.You will always be required to wear a diaper on your face.

Show me a single one of the "reopening" plans for any state or county that includes a point in time where all restrictions are lifted,everything is open and "life returns to normal".They don't exist,and never will.The goalposts are always pushed back.There will always be "the threat of a rise in cases demanding that measures be taken."
 
brd said:
Dream on.Never in your lifetime will there come a time when the .gov allows you to resume a normal life.You will always be required to wear a diaper on your face.

Show me a single one of the "reopening" plans for any state or county that includes a point in time where all restrictions are lifted,everything is open and "life returns to normal".They don't exist,and never will.The goalposts are always pushed back.There will always be "the threat of a rise in cases demanding that measures be taken."
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Are you expecting the government to announce a date when the virus will be gone and you can come out of your burrow? No shit the goalposts keep moving because case numbers fluctuate and spike. What’s your solution?
 
brd said:
Dream on.Never in your lifetime will there come a time when the .gov allows you to resume a normal life.You will always be required to wear a diaper on your face.

Show me a single one of the "reopening" plans for any state or county that includes a point in time where all restrictions are lifted,everything is open and "life returns to normal".They don't exist,and never will.The goalposts are always pushed back.There will always be "the threat of a rise in cases demanding that measures be taken."
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Like Florida? :laughing: What rock have you been living under? No masks party on Garth full send.

https://www.wfla.com/community/heal...ws-conference-in-3-weeks-to-address-covid-19/
 
If the vaccine works and does not have any major side effects It will be interesting to see how the dems try to erase trump having anything to do with is and the take credit for the inevitable rebound of the economy. They will be jumping all over each others backs to take the credit.
 
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