Coronavirus (COVID-19) (SARS-CoV-2)

[Paragon]

Deaths from the coronavirus in the U.S. are down to around 600 per day, compared with about 2,200 in mid-April. Despite the rise in cases, some experts have expressed doubt that deaths will return to that level, because of advances in treatment and prevention and also because a large share of the new infections are in younger adults, who are more likely than older ones to survive.

In other words, the 50% of the deaths were old people in nursing homes are already dead and likely can't die again.

 

[east_beast]

mirror logical fallacy.

Data, motherfucker! do you speak it?

All you have is semantics because all you're interested in is arguing for the sake of arguing. It's all you ever do. One of us has offered and produced data. The other hasn't. So your "mirror logical fallacy" accusation is demonstrably bullshit.

You're not nearly as smart as you think you are. It's pretty easy to make you look like a dumbass. That's all I have toward you until you have data.

 

[Paragon]

Data, motherfucker! do you speak it?

All you have is semantics because all you're interested in is arguing for the sake of arguing. It's all you ever do. One of us has offered and produced data. The other hasn't. So your "mirror logical fallacy" accusation is demonstrably bullshit.

You're not nearly as smart as you think you are. It's pretty easy to make you look like a dumbass. That's all I have toward you until you have data.

you already provided the data to support the correlation.

it's OK that all of this is over your head, but damn at least try to use some comprehension. or call upstairs to your mom and get her to come down and explain it to you

 

[Paragon]

California’s hospitalization rates for COVID-19 have been steadily increasing. Currently, 4,240 people with coronavirus occupy hospital beds, which is a 32 percent increase from two weeks ago. Intensive care units are seeing 1,306 people with the virus, up 19 percent over the last two weeks.

 

[Provience]

Ok, let's see if you can follow along. Someone got a quarantine order because they popped +. You suggested one should ignore such order, period. I stated you are the reason why such orders are given.

If you test positive for a fucking virus that kills people, whether you feel good or not, you stay home and quarantine. That logic hasn't changed. If you have a virus, the .gov has every right to suspend any and all of your rights because YOUR individual rights ends where others' begins.

It is because of fucking idiots, like you, that a .gov agency HAS TO step in and place an order because your stupid fucking redneck, backwardass notion of freedom only applies to you.

wouldn't it be easier to treat this like every other "thought crime"? Innocent until guilty and such, this person has tested positive, gets a letter that says "they can be held legally liable if they knowingly spread the disease and cause death" bam, there you go. nobody gets forced in to their home, they can go out safely if they choose, stay in if they choose, wear PPE that allows them to continue, all kinds of options that aren't: You MUST stay in your home.

why? because this isn't fucking china

 

[Filthy McChevy]

it's impossible that all of the protests where people from all over were protesting and wearing masks contributed to the spread. they are saying this increase is not clustered...... well the infections had to increase for some reason

What if a larger percentage of wrong thinking people are right?

 

[Paragon]

wouldn't it be easier to treat this like every other "thought crime"? Innocent until guilty and such, this person has tested positive, gets a letter that says "they can be held legally liable if they knowingly spread the disease and cause death" bam, there you go. nobody gets forced in to their home, they can go out safely if they choose, stay in if they choose, wear PPE that allows them to continue, all kinds of options that aren't: You MUST stay in your home.

why? because this isn't fucking china

wouldn't it be easier if people simply popped positive, stayed in their home for 2 weeks and not require .gov to step in and tell them what to do?

it's obviously not by the comments in this thread

 

[Provience]

Man, I wish someone had already compiled this data, oh wait...

https://www.inquirer.com/health/coro...-20200624.html

Nine states have reported at least a doubling in their cases versus two weeks ago. Those states are: Idaho, Florida, Oklahoma, Texas, West Virginia, Arizona, Kansas, Mississippi and Nevada. Of those nine states, none require masks, two suggest masks, seven neither require nor suggest masks.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...rus-in-the-u-s

a doubling every 2 weeks, while still growth, is pretty low growth.

the ENTIRE point of ALL the government action thus far has ALWAYS been justified as "we need to keep this from exploding and overwhelming the hospitals" we are past that, we have increased supplies, we have ramped up and down field hospitals. this has NEVER been a reasonable assumption that we can end the spread un-naturally

 

[woods]

wouldn't it be easier if people simply popped positive, stayed in their home for 2 weeks and not require .gov to step in and tell them what to do?

it's obviously not by the comments in this thread

Wouldn't it be nice to be able to just stay home for two weeks? Not have to buy food, maintain properties as a landlord, visit the parts store because the DD just shit out a fuel pump, go to work to support a family, go to TSC to get another chain for the saw, or visit the bank to deposit rent checks? Wouldn't that be nice?

 

[Provience]

wouldn't it be easier if people simply popped positive, stayed in their home for 2 weeks and not require .gov to step in and tell them what to do?

it's obviously not by the comments in this thread

it would be, but we know that isn't possible or realistic. I will once again bring up the high publicity suicide of the NYC ER head DR who killed herself. she popped hot, stayed home for a week, went back to work and got turned away, drove to the far corner of a state a couple away and killed herself.

it is NOT healthy to force isolate people en masse.

 

[Paragon]

it would be, but we know that isn't possible or realistic.

so, here we are

 

[Provience]

so, here we are

yup, witnessing many governments choose wrongly and trampling basic human rights while treating competent adults as invalids while clamoring about boogeyman safety

 

[Paragon]

Wouldn't it be nice to be able to just stay home for two weeks? Not have to buy food, maintain properties as a landlord, visit the parts store because the DD just shit out a fuel pump, go to work to support a family, go to TSC to get another chain for the saw, or visit the bank to deposit rent checks? Wouldn't that be nice?

says someone who apparently has never been through a natural disaster and/or has zero family or friends

 

[gunracer1]

don't y'all remember, it will die with the heat of summer. all this arguing is going to be wasted. now back to the toilet paper scare of 2020.

 

[Paragon]

yup, witnessing many governments choose wrongly and trampling basic human rights while treating competent adults as invalids while clamoring about boogeyman safety

well, those invalids are who is electing those "governments". the same ones that can't be bothered with self-quarantining when they tested positive.

 

[Paragon]

don't y'all remember, it will die with the heat of summer. all this arguing is going to be wasted. now back to the toilet paper scare of 2020.

I fully believed it would act like the common cold and flu because of "seasonal"

 

[Slander]

yup, witnessing many governments choose wrongly and trampling basic human rights while treating competent adults as invalids while clamoring about boogeyman safety

Dont forget the confusing message that systemic racism is a far bigger health and safety threat than the plague you could be unwittingly carrying inside you at all times. Flip side is if you want to eat, feed your family and not.lose your life savings you are a closed minded idiot simpleton who wants to kill evreyone. Now that people have been sensitized to the protesting topic, it's back to the plague is going to kill us all.

I'm a safety consultant by trade and this has been a fascinating experiment on a larger scale on consistent communication, rules, authority and risk controls.

 

[east_beast]

a doubling every 2 weeks, while still growth, is pretty low growth.

the ENTIRE point of ALL the government action thus far has ALWAYS been justified as "we need to keep this from exploding and overwhelming the hospitals" we are past that, we have increased supplies, we have ramped up and down field hospitals. this has NEVER been a reasonable assumption that we can end the spread un-naturally

Doubling every two weeks is exponential growth. Taking the current 2.5M total cases and subtracting out the 765k recovered and 126k deceased you're left with roughly 1.6M active cases. Doubling every two weeks, that's everyone in the USA infected 15 weeks from now.

 

[woods]

says someone who apparently has never been through a natural disaster and/or has zero family or friends

I'm a father, husband, son, and landlord.

I have no idea why I'm arguing with you. I've had more coherent conversations with catatonic people at nursing homes.

 

[brd]

now back to the toilet paper scare of 2020.

Funny you should say that,CDC is now saying that diarrhea is one of the symptoms



The CDC just added new COVID-19 symptoms to its list. Here's our running list of every symptom, ranked from most common to least.



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Business Insider•June 25, 2020

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• The CDC recently added four new COVID-19 symptoms — fatigue, diarrhea, congestion or runny nose, and nausea or vomiting — to its official list.
• Fever and cough are the most common symptoms of COVID-19.
• Shortness of breath, which is also common, is often the most dangerous.
• Smaller groups of patients report additional symptoms like muscle pain, sore throat, and loss of taste or smell.

Time to hoard, boys and girls.

 

[Provience]

well, those invalids are who is electing those "governments". the same ones that can't be bothered with self-quarantining when they tested positive.

i really really really really hope that there will be some people with that takeaway. history suggests that oppressed people, as a majority, love and support their oppressors.

 

[east_beast]

Dont forget the confusing message that systemic racism is a far bigger health and safety threat than the plague you could be unwittingly carrying inside you at all times. Flip side is if you want to eat, feed your family and not.lose your life savings you are a closed minded idiot simpleton who wants to kill evreyone. Now that people have been sensitized to the protesting topic, it's back to the plague is going to kill us all.

I'm a safety consultant by trade and this has been a fascinating experiment on a larger scale on consistent communication, rules, authority and risk controls.

It was massively hypocritical for the group who decried the Ozark pool party to turn around and less than a week later fully support the protests. Gather in large groups right now isn't a good idea. The virus doesn't care about your motivation to gather.

I saw someone last night on the evening news speaking out about the increased rate of infection among minorities decrying their lack of insurance, lack of access to healthcare, etc. Seemingly with no understanding that none of that causes increased risk of infection from this virus. It very well could impact the severity of illness and risk of death from an infection, but it doesn't cause an increase in risk of the initial infection. People let emotions and political leanings get in the way of logic and they cheapen their viewpoints when they make emotional outcries that defy logic if you actually think about it and don't just agree on the surface.

 

[Slander]

Funny you should say that,CDC is now saying that diarrhea is one of the symptoms



The CDC just added new COVID-19 symptoms to its list. Here's our running list of every symptom, ranked from most common to least.



[email protected] (Aria Bendix)
,
Business Insider•June 25, 2020

coronavirus
A worker wearing personal protective equipment, or PPE, holds out a nasopharyngeal sample swab.

Getty

• The CDC recently added four new COVID-19 symptoms — fatigue, diarrhea, congestion or runny nose, and nausea or vomiting — to its official list.
• Fever and cough are the most common symptoms of COVID-19.
• Shortness of breath, which is also common, is often the most dangerous.
• Smaller groups of patients report additional symptoms like muscle pain, sore throat, and loss of taste or smell.

Time to hoard, boys and girls.

So it now ranges from feeling perfectly fine, to diarrhea, to shortness of breath, to falling over dead and evreything in between. Yet no one sees why people are skeptical of the messaging and choosing to ignore protocols and accept risk?

 

[Paragon]

Dont forget the confusing message that systemic racism is a far bigger health and safety threat than the plague you could be unwittingly carrying inside you at all times. Flip side is if you want to eat, feed your family and not.lose your life savings you are a closed minded idiot simpleton who wants to kill evreyone. Now that people have been sensitized to the protesting topic, it's back to the plague is going to kill us all.

I'm a safety consultant by trade and this has been a fascinating experiment on a larger scale on consistent communication, rules, authority and risk controls.

But, therein, lies the problem. In modern times, since progressivism has taken root, as a whole the citizenry sees .gov as the answer to things. In the U.S. where we are a republic, all too many see the feds as those with answers. With this pandemic, things are and have been different (culturally as well as actually) all across different cities, counties and states. Everyone wants fast and easy, but there is no fast and easy without trampling individual and states rights.

But, with that, comes the inferred God-complex of having to have all the answers. So, communication is jarbled as feds try to appear in control and knowing, then some governors are populistic with their approach and utilize the God-complex and pretend to know more than the common person. Not to mention all of the supposed experts on something brand new, to which there can be no experts.

To go along with that, your assertion that "authority" is part of the experiment is probably the most blatant part of all of this. Reaches of authority seems to be what has been experimented in a lot of states and cities

 

[Provience]

Doubling every two weeks is exponential growth. Taking the current 2.5M total cases and subtracting out the 765k recovered and 126k deceased you're left with roughly 1.6M active cases. Doubling every two weeks, that's everyone in the USA infected 15 weeks from now.

i did say doubling is exponential growth, it is also a pretty low power exponent. of course, we are well past 15 weeks of dealing with this and still don't have 100% permeation despite previously a much higher rate.

it is still predominately a "city" or "cluster" problem. we are seeing this growth going from city to city as drivers.

 

[Paragon]

I've had more coherent conversations with catatonic people at nursing homes.

there you go. you are the type that doesn't give a shit about people and just go in to nursing homes spreading covid to the helpless catatonic people

 

[Paragon]

I'm a father, husband, son, and landlord.

well, sweetheart. you deserve you a cookie for being so unique and cavalier

 

[woods]

there you go. you are the type that doesn't give a shit about people and just go in to nursing homes spreading covid to the helpless catatonic people

That's the weakest troll attempt I've seen in a long time. I'm impressed.

 

[Slander]

It was massively hypocritical for the group who decried the Ozark pool party to turn around and less than a week later fully support the protests. Gather in large groups right now isn't a good idea. The virus doesn't care about your motivation to gather.

I saw someone last night on the evening news speaking out about the increased rate of infection among minorities decrying their lack of insurance, lack of access to healthcare, etc. Seemingly with no understanding that none of that causes increased risk of infection from this virus. It very well could impact the severity of illness and risk of death from an infection, but it doesn't cause an increase in risk of the initial infection. People let emotions and political leanings get in the way of logic and they cheapen their viewpoints when they make emotional outcries that defy logic if you actually think about it and don't just agree on the surface.

Thank you!! It also irks me when you see people putting socioeconomic issues and confusing, purposely or unknowingly, them with physical differences between people. Dark skinned people typically have lower vitamin D levels and that's backed up by medical science, vitamin D is shown to have massive health benefits and helps your immune system, yet you have that topic being censored and spun. It's crazy what's going on and shows the toxic two sided split of the country and the disinformation campaigns that we are victims of get in the way of facts and important information to the people who need it.

I am of 100% belief that if we shut down social media for 3 months this virus would fizzle out. That's partly sarcastic and partly serious.

 

[Paragon]

That's the weakest troll attempt I've seen in a long time. I'm impressed.

was not a troll. you don't give a shit if you test positive and readily admit to having conversations with invalids in a nursing home

you're just a douchebag