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Border… I didnt see this one coming

Nowhere in the existing law are 0 immigrants codified in law.

edit: also, where is the 5,000 number listed in the law?

Immigrants != illegal immigrants.

It is currently ILLEGAL to enter the country w/o permission. We are letting many in.

A recently proposed law would have codified limits on illegal entry of up to 5k/day. And only when those numbers were exceeded, would additional funding/provisions be available.

So again I ask... If, as you say, 10K are coming in day currently... when it's currently illegal. what makes you think that having a limit of 5k/day would suddenly reduce illegal entry?
 
Immigrants != illegal immigrants.

It is currently ILLEGAL to enter the country w/o permission. We are letting many in.

A recently proposed law would have codified limits on illegal entry of up to 5k/day. And only when those numbers were exceeded, would additional funding/provisions be available.

So again I ask... If, as you say, 10K are coming in day currently... when it's currently illegal. what makes you think that having a limit of 5k/day would suddenly reduce illegal entry?
check my 2nd edit. You're completely wrong on your reading of that. It doesn't do anything of the sort.
 
This was a decent start. You have to end the motivation for coming in the first place. Amnesty courts shouldn’t take ten years. Catch & Release is an absurd policy.

At the same time, legal immigration shouldn’t take ten years either.
<ignorant giberish>


That's not a fucking bill. Did you read the exact bill that you're claiming was a decent start?
 
Nowhere in the existing law are 0 immigrants codified in law.

edit: also, where is the 5,000 number listed in the law?

Edit2: I looked it up. It doesn't allow 5,000 migrants per day. It automatically stops ALL asylum requests if there are 5,000 migrants on average over a seven-day period. That 5,000 number is a secondary trigger to make it even more difficult to apply for asylum. It's literally what you're asking for.

Read your Edit2... slowly
 
check my 2nd edit. You're completely wrong on your reading of that. It doesn't do anything of the sort.
How am I wrong... you literally stated I'm correct in your Edit....
 
Read your Edit2... slowly
Nowhere in that does it say anyone is ALLOWED to stay. The bill was very clear about that process, and limited the number of people allowed to stay. Including those in that 5k count.
 
Nowhere in that does it say anyone is ALLOWED to stay. The bill was very clear about that process, and limited the number of people allowed to stay. Including those in that 5k count.
huh?

So it doesn't allow them to stay but limits the number that could stay?

Again... do you believe that codifying 5k limit into law will reduce the current, as you claimed, 10k/day???
 

I'll ask again... how am I wrong? retweating something doesn't make it true. Many a folk have done analysis on the bill and indicated that your interpretation is incorrect... I'm happy to post some, but I know you'll (rightly) question their analysis.

So.. I'm asking you again... How am I wrong?
 
So.. I'm asking you again... How am I wrong?
Because that's not what it fucking says :lmao:

I don't know how to be clearer than that. It adds a secondary trigger to stop 100% of asylum requests if the border patrol encounters that many people in a week. Encounters and Requests are the keywords here.

In addition to this hard limit, the law changes how the asylum request process works and significantly reduces the time the system takes to process those requests (which means people aren't released into the country for a decade before we tell them they're not allowed).
 
Because that's not what it fucking says :lmao:

I don't know how to be clearer than that. It adds a secondary trigger to stop 100% of asylum requests if the border patrol encounters that many people in a week. Encounters and Requests are the keywords here.

In addition to this hard limit, the law changes how the asylum request process works and significantly reduces the time the system takes to process those requests (which means people aren't released into the country for a decade before we tell them they're not allowed).

post the text, then. Because many a talking head disagrees with your interpretation.

And again... I'll ask you... what makes you believe that laws ignored today, once replaced, will not be ignored tomorrow?
 
post the text, then. Because many a talking head disagrees with your interpretation.

And again... I'll ask you... what makes you believe that laws ignored today, once replaced, will not be ignored tomorrow?
The laws aren't being ignored today, they're not being funded by congress. That bill granted the funding.
 
The laws aren't being ignored today, they're not being funded by congress. That bill granted the funding.


Quoting...

you're saying that congress hasn't funded NOT letting people into the country illegally? Do tell. Please.

Congress funded the wall... where did that money go?
 
post the text, then. Because many a talking head disagrees with your interpretation.

And again... I'll ask you... what makes you believe that laws ignored today, once replaced, will not be ignored tomorrow?
TITLE III: SECURING AMERICA. SUBTITLE A: BORDER EMERGENCY AUTHORITY. The Border Emergency Authority is a temporary, three-year mandate, that requires the immediate deportation of all aliens crossing the southern land border or the southern maritime border (Florida to California) once encounters reach a one-week average of 5,000 aliens a day. There is also a discretionary authority to close the border at an average of 4,000 aliens a day. The emergency closure of the border does not affect legal and orderly vehicle or pedestrian traffic through the ports of entry. When the authority is activated, all aliens are removed and not allowed to apply for asylum unless they have an orderly appointment at a port of entry for an asylum request. The ports of entry must remain open for orderly asylum requests, but no alien can make an asylum claim between ports of entry. The limited number of aliens that are screened for asylum through the port of entry are screened at the higher standard of evidence, under the additional bars to eligibility in the bill. Once the border emergency authority activates, all aliens are deported immediately each day until the total number of encounters drops at least 25% for seven consecutive days. Encounters include aliens at the port of entry, between the ports of entry and in the southern coastal waters (Florida to California). When the number of encounters has dropped at least 25%, DHS has up to 14 days turn off the use of the authority. This means that when the border closes, it will remain closed for three weeks or longer. To stop returns, any alien that crosses the border a second time after expulsion during the emergency authority will have a one-year immigration bar applied as a consequence. The authority begins the day after enactment of the bill. The three-year border emergency authority is designed to immediately stop the current high number of illegal crossings while the other aspects of the bill are fully implemented. As an example, in the first four months of FY 2024, more than 954,000 aliens were encountered crossing the southern border. The vast majority of the nearly one million aliens were released into the country to await an asylum screening or hearing sometime in the next ten years. All of the aliens who crossed the first four months of FY2024 were either given a work permit at the border the first day or they were told that they are eligible for a work permit if they apply for an asylum screening which will occur years in the future. If the border emergency authority was in place October 1, 2023, the total number of aliens who could have applied for asylum in four months would have been less than 200,000, the remaining 800,000 would have been deported immediately. Of the 200,000 orderly asylum requests through the port of entry, most would be adjudicated within a few weeks, with the vast majority of the applicants quickly deported under the elevated screening standard. No one would have received a work permit the first day of their arrival. Sec. 3301: Border Emergency Authority. • 244(a)(1): Vests the DHS Secretary with the Border Emergency Authority. • 244(a)(2): Exempts U.S. Citizens, legal immigrants, unaccompanied minors, and certain other populations from expulsion. • 244(a)(3): Applies the BEA to any illegal alien who crosses within 100 miles of the southwest land border of the United States and who has been present in the United States for 14 or fewer days. • 244(b)(1): Allows for the DHS Secretary to summarily remove illegal aliens under the Border Emergency Authority once it is activated. • 244(b)(2): Specifies the removal authority under which the DHS Secretary may summarily remove illegal aliens, unless such aliens clearly manifest a humanitarian need. (Modeled off of Title 42). This paragraph specifies the limited circumstances under which an alien who manifests a humanitarian need may be screened. • 244(b)(3): Specifies how the Border Emergency Authority is activated o (b)(3)(A): Specifies that the BEA may be triggered if the 7-day average of encounters is at or above 4,000 per day. o (b)(3)(B): Specifies that the BEA shall be triggered if the 7-day average of encounters is at or above 5,000 per day. o (b)(3)(C): Specifies that the BEA shall be triggered if CBP encounters 8,5000 aliens in one day. • (b)(4): Specifies the number of days in which the BEA may be triggered o (b)(4)(A): Specifies that UACs from noncontiguous countries are not included in the encounter levels under (b)(3). o (b)(4)(B): Specifies the following time periods for activation: ▪ (b)(4)(B)(i): Within the 1st year, the BEA may be activated for 270 days. ▪ (b)(4)(B)(ii): Within the 2nd year, the BEA may be activated for 225 days. ▪ (b)(4)(B)(iii): Within the 3rd year, the BEA may be activated for 180 days. o (b)(4)(C): Requires that summary expulsions occur within 24 hours of the exercise of the BEA. • (b)(5): Specifies how the BEA is de-activated and border processing returns to normal. o (b)(5)(A): If the authority is triggered by 4,000 or more encounters, the DHS Secretary can only deactivate the authority if the average daily encounter over the preceding 7 days was at or below 75 percent of 4,000. o (b)(5)(B): If the authority is triggered by 5,000 or more encounters, the DHS Secretary can only deactivate the authority if the average daily encounter over the preceding 7 days was at or below 75 percent of 5,000. o (b)(5)(C): If the authority is triggered by 8,500 or more encounters, the DHS Secretary can only deactivate the authority if the average daily encounter over the preceding 7 days was at or below 75 percent of 5,000. • (b)(6): Special rules regarding tolling of the number of days the BEA may be triggered. • (b)(7): Gives the President the authority to terminate the use of the BEA for not more than 45 days if there is a declared emergency warranting such termination. • (c)(1): Requires that, during the exercise of the BEA, DHS process 1,400 inadmissible aliens across U.S. southern border land ports. • (c)(2): Clarifies how the 1,400 inadmissible aliens are processed and calculated. • (d): Imposes a 1-year bar on any recidivist alien who crosses after being removed under the BEA. • (e): Savings clauses and rules of construction to further define the terms listed in this section. • (f): Prohibits judicial review of a summary removal order while the BEA is exercised and gives jurisdiction to the District Court for the District of Columbia to hear any challenges regarding the BEA. • (g): Allows for the BEA to go into effect immediately upon enactment. • (h): Specifies regulatory procedures for further implementation of this section. • (i): Definitions for terms used in this section.
 
Quoting...

you're saying that congress hasn't funded NOT letting people into the country illegally? Do tell. Please.

Congress funded the wall... where did that money go?
Congress hasn't funded the immigration and asylum courts, which is the loophole that allows so many people to stay in the country on a temporary legal status.

Wall is still being built today, that's what started this thread in the first place.
 
Democrats....we're just going to put the head in. We won't go balls deep.

ApeEater....that sounds like a reasonable compromise.

ApeEater....you said you we're going balls deep!

Democrats...we won't cum inside you.

ApeEater...Promise!

:lmao:
 
You might want to read that again. That is the average of 1 wk of 5000/day is reached. There are so many loopholes in that plan it's funny it didn't fall off my screen when I was reading it.

Yep, Biden was forced to do small sections of the wall but I believe we sold all the original materials at a huge lose that we purchased during Trump and have to buy them all over again.

EDIT, I think we may have had to honor those contractors contracts for not building the wall.
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TITLE III: SECURING AMERICA. SUBTITLE A: BORDER EMERGENCY AUTHORITY. The Border Emergency Authority is a temporary, three-year mandate, that requires the immediate deportation of all aliens crossing the southern land border or the southern maritime border (Florida to California) once encounters reach a one-week average of 5,000 aliens a day. There is also a discretionary authority to close the border at an average of 4,000 aliens a day. The emergency closure of the border does not affect legal and orderly vehicle or pedestrian traffic through the ports of entry. When the authority is activated, all aliens are removed and not allowed to apply for asylum unless they have an orderly appointment at a port of entry for an asylum request. The ports of entry must remain open for orderly asylum requests, but no alien can make an asylum claim between ports of entry. The limited number of aliens that are screened for asylum through the port of entry are screened at the higher standard of evidence, under the additional bars to eligibility in the bill. Once the border emergency authority activates, all aliens are deported immediately each day until the total number of encounters drops at least 25% for seven consecutive days. Encounters include aliens at the port of entry, between the ports of entry and in the southern coastal waters (Florida to California). When the number of encounters has dropped at least 25%, DHS has up to 14 days turn off the use of the authority. This means that when the border closes, it will remain closed for three weeks or longer. To stop returns, any alien that crosses the border a second time after expulsion during the emergency authority will have a one-year immigration bar applied as a consequence. The authority begins the day after enactment of the bill. The three-year border emergency authority is designed to immediately stop the current high number of illegal crossings while the other aspects of the bill are fully implemented. As an example, in the first four months of FY 2024, more than 954,000 aliens were encountered crossing the southern border. The vast majority of the nearly one million aliens were released into the country to await an asylum screening or hearing sometime in the next ten years. All of the aliens who crossed the first four months of FY2024 were either given a work permit at the border the first day or they were told that they are eligible for a work permit if they apply for an asylum screening which will occur years in the future. If the border emergency authority was in place October 1, 2023, the total number of aliens who could have applied for asylum in four months would have been less than 200,000, the remaining 800,000 would have been deported immediately. Of the 200,000 orderly asylum requests through the port of entry, most would be adjudicated within a few weeks, with the vast majority of the applicants quickly deported under the elevated screening standard. No one would have received a work permit the first day of their arrival. Sec. 3301: Border Emergency Authority. • 244(a)(1): Vests the DHS Secretary with the Border Emergency Authority. • 244(a)(2): Exempts U.S. Citizens, legal immigrants, unaccompanied minors, and certain other populations from expulsion. • 244(a)(3): Applies the BEA to any illegal alien who crosses within 100 miles of the southwest land border of the United States and who has been present in the United States for 14 or fewer days. • 244(b)(1): Allows for the DHS Secretary to summarily remove illegal aliens under the Border Emergency Authority once it is activated. • 244(b)(2): Specifies the removal authority under which the DHS Secretary may summarily remove illegal aliens, unless such aliens clearly manifest a humanitarian need. (Modeled off of Title 42). This paragraph specifies the limited circumstances under which an alien who manifests a humanitarian need may be screened. • 244(b)(3): Specifies how the Border Emergency Authority is activated o (b)(3)(A): Specifies that the BEA may be triggered if the 7-day average of encounters is at or above 4,000 per day. o (b)(3)(B): Specifies that the BEA shall be triggered if the 7-day average of encounters is at or above 5,000 per day. o (b)(3)(C): Specifies that the BEA shall be triggered if CBP encounters 8,5000 aliens in one day. • (b)(4): Specifies the number of days in which the BEA may be triggered o (b)(4)(A): Specifies that UACs from noncontiguous countries are not included in the encounter levels under (b)(3). o (b)(4)(B): Specifies the following time periods for activation: ▪ (b)(4)(B)(i): Within the 1st year, the BEA may be activated for 270 days. ▪ (b)(4)(B)(ii): Within the 2nd year, the BEA may be activated for 225 days. ▪ (b)(4)(B)(iii): Within the 3rd year, the BEA may be activated for 180 days. o (b)(4)(C): Requires that summary expulsions occur within 24 hours of the exercise of the BEA. • (b)(5): Specifies how the BEA is de-activated and border processing returns to normal. o (b)(5)(A): If the authority is triggered by 4,000 or more encounters, the DHS Secretary can only deactivate the authority if the average daily encounter over the preceding 7 days was at or below 75 percent of 4,000. o (b)(5)(B): If the authority is triggered by 5,000 or more encounters, the DHS Secretary can only deactivate the authority if the average daily encounter over the preceding 7 days was at or below 75 percent of 5,000. o (b)(5)(C): If the authority is triggered by 8,500 or more encounters, the DHS Secretary can only deactivate the authority if the average daily encounter over the preceding 7 days was at or below 75 percent of 5,000. • (b)(6): Special rules regarding tolling of the number of days the BEA may be triggered. • (b)(7): Gives the President the authority to terminate the use of the BEA for not more than 45 days if there is a declared emergency warranting such termination. • (c)(1): Requires that, during the exercise of the BEA, DHS process 1,400 inadmissible aliens across U.S. southern border land ports. • (c)(2): Clarifies how the 1,400 inadmissible aliens are processed and calculated. • (d): Imposes a 1-year bar on any recidivist alien who crosses after being removed under the BEA. • (e): Savings clauses and rules of construction to further define the terms listed in this section. • (f): Prohibits judicial review of a summary removal order while the BEA is exercised and gives jurisdiction to the District Court for the District of Columbia to hear any challenges regarding the BEA. • (g): Allows for the BEA to go into effect immediately upon enactment. • (h): Specifies regulatory procedures for further implementation of this section. • (i): Definitions for terms used in this section.


isn't this exactly what I said? basically doens't kick anything in until 5k/day average... So it's codifying a number into a law.

And also gives POTUS the discrention to not do anything.
 
Congress hasn't funded the immigration and asylum courts, which is the loophole that allows so many people to stay in the country on a temporary legal status.

Wall is still being built today, that's what started this thread in the first place.

congress doesn't need additional funding for courts if the boarder crossing laws were being enforced in the first place....
 
Democrats....we're just going to put the head in. We won't go balls deep.

ApeEater....that sounds like a reasonable compromise.

ApeEater....you said you we're going balls deep!

Democrats...we won't cum inside you.

ApeEater...Promise!

:lmao:

You might want to read that again. That is the average of 1 wk of 5000/day is reached. There are so many loopholes in that plan it's funny it didn't fall off my screen when I was reading it.

Yep, Biden was forced to do small sections of the wall but I believe we sold all the original materials at a huge lose that we purchased during Trump and have to buy them all over again.


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I get it, y'all are already throat-deep with Trump, so you can't actually read anything. It will be funny when the republicans pass the exact bill after Trump is elected, or one that's even worse if Biden wins.
 
TITLE III: SECURING AMERICA. SUBTITLE A: BORDER EMERGENCY AUTHORITY. The Border Emergency Authority is a temporary, three-year mandate, that requires the immediate deportation of all aliens crossing the southern land border or the southern maritime border (Florida to California) once encounters reach a one-week average of 5,000 aliens a day. There is also a discretionary authority to close the border at an average of 4,000 aliens a day. The emergency closure of the border does not affect legal and orderly vehicle or pedestrian traffic through the ports of entry.

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Reread this first part again. How does it not say they are ok with up to 4000 illegal entries a day or 5000 a week?
 
isn't this exactly what I said? basically doens't kick anything in until 5k/day average... So it's codifying a number into a law.

And also gives POTUS the discrention to not do anything.
No, it's not exactly what you said. It's a hard limit that stops ALL asylum requests at that point of encounters.
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Reread this first part again. How does it not say they are ok with up to 4000 illegal entries a day or 5000 a week?
"encounters" is the word you're looking for.
 
Except it actually does.

it doesn't....
Asylim seakers are supposed to request at a port of entry. Currently, the executive branch is ignoring that part of the law and allowing asylum requests anywhere. Also, Executive branch has changed how they interpret asylum...

So again, I think you're incorrect.
 
No, it's not exactly what you said. It's a hard limit that stops ALL asylum requests at that point of encounters.

"encounters" is the word you're looking for.

do you believe that all of the people crossing the border illegally are asylum seakers? 100%?

Because who GAF about asylum if a majority of people crossing the border are a) no seeking asylum and/or b) still being allowed in to the country?

And... I'll ask for the ~10th time. What makes you think that not enforcing current laws will be fixed by passing new laws? What guarantee do you have that new laws will be enforced?
 
it doesn't....
Asylim seakers are supposed to request at a port of entry. Currently, the executive branch is ignoring that part of the law and allowing asylum requests anywhere. Also, Executive branch has changed how they interpret asylum...

So again, I think you're incorrect.
Yup.

 
Except it actually does.
No it doesn’t. Congress needs to do a proper budget and allocate funds appropriately. They haven’t done that for 40 years damn near. Yet can still use emergency measures when needed. They write their own budget, they dont want to close the border.

Stop saying it needs funding. The ability to enforce the laws on the books is there regardless of funding during emergencies. They wont do it because it plays bad politically regardless of the side that enforces it because the left/media has made it a “race” based issue vs a country issue.
 
do you believe that all of the people crossing the border illegally are asylum seakers? 100%?
No.
Because who GAF about asylum if a majority of people crossing the border are a) no seeking asylum and/or b) still being allowed in to the country?
Do you believe that the people encountered on the border that aren't seeking asylum are being set free in the country? Because they're not.

And... I'll ask for the ~10th time. What makes you think that not enforcing current laws will be fixed by passing new laws? What guarantee do you have that new laws will be enforced?
The vast majority are requesting asylum, even if they know they're not eligible because they know it gets them 10 years to hide out in the US. That system HAS to get fixed.
 
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