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ok the other thread wasnt very helpful (no thanks to roc doc) but is church a good place to meet a nice girl, or are they all dirty sluts who play the good girl?
I'll preface this by saying I'm not religious and and not familiar with many of the details of each individual religion. I have some genuine questions about some of the stuff I've read here and a few of my own.
Not all Christians believe in a young Earth... many do. Me, personally I don't believe the Earth is older than 10K years. God made the Universe first. Not sure of the time frame, to be honest. Time isn't to God what it is to us.I didn't know that Christians believed the earth (and whole universe) is only 6,000ish years old, that raises so many questions for me. If everything is ~6,000 years old, how are we able to see the light from stars tens and hundreds of thousands (even millions) of lightyears away from us? Even most of the Milky Way that you're able to see with your bare eyes on a dark night is further than 6,000 light years away from us.
I think I am getting the question correct, if not you let me know. The flood was a violent event. The world's populous was destroyed save Noah, his family and the animals God commanded to the Ark. Violent eruptions/ quakes and 40 days of massive world wide flood. The entire Earth was reshaped.I saw mention of Pangea = Eden, around what time frame would that have somewhat violently separated into the continents we know (considering the short timeframe)?
Not really. In my opinion aliens aren't what many people believe them to be. Satan is real, as well as fallen angels. Their goal is to deceive man. Is it plausible to consider them in that capacity? I think so.Would the (theoretical) existence of aliens contradict any belief Christianity is founded on?
Well, we know they roam in heaven as created beings. And I would love to see my doggo's again. Honestly it doesn't delve into that... It's an unknown. Possible? Maybe.What about animals? Do they live and die and their soul ceases to exist, or do they burn in hell because they didn't accept a religion?
We gotta eat. And given the circumstances the vegetation may have not been abundant enough to sustain life right off. It's a hunch.What makes them any different than humans? If either of the above, why did Noah go through so much effort to save creatures that were "lost" anyways?
Not all Christians believe in a young earth; my beliefs do happen to be that of a Young Earth Creationist. And the light issue is a fair question; the standard answer is that God created a fully mature universe. For Biblical evidence of this, we note that God created Adam and Eve as adults, not infants, all of their organs were working exactly as they would if they had been actually born, had a childhood, went through puberty and grew into an adult.I didn't know that Christians believed the earth (and whole universe) is only 6,000ish years old, that raises so many questions for me. If everything is ~6,000 years old, how are we able to see the light from stars tens and hundreds of thousands (even millions) of lightyears away from us? Even most of the Milky Way that you're able to see with your bare eyes on a dark night is further than 6,000 light years away from us.
I mentioned Dr. Brown's Hydroplate Theory earlier. His theory explains how the continents as we know them today were formed during the flood. I recently ordered his book on the subject, but there are excerpts available online. It is an interesting theory and arguably explains the geological formations of the world better than the Theory of Plate Tectonics does.I saw mention of Pangea = Eden, around what time frame would that have somewhat violently separated into the continents we know (considering the short timeframe)?
Not necessarily. The Bible mentions the Nephilim which many believe are the Fallen Angels (Demons) and/or the offspring of said Demons. There are some people that believe the Nephilim will reappear at some point in time as "Aliens" from a distant world. I mentioned this in my first post as "passing my litmus test" because the arrival of "Aliens" could make people question their beliefs. My personal thought is that God never said this was the only world on which He put life; we shouldn't assume because it is not mentioned that it didn't happen.Would the (theoretical) existence of aliens contradict any belief Christianity is founded on?
Animals were not created in God's Image, only Man was. Man was created with a Body, a Soul and a Spirit (as God is the Son, the Father and the Holy Spirit). Since animals have no soul, they live and they die and that is it. While man's body will die, his soul will live on. The spirit is a little more complex: Adam and Eve were created with a spirit, however that spirit died the moment they sinned by eating the forbidden fruit (which was not an apple). Every man/woman born since the fall has been born spiritually dead; when a person become a Christian, the Holy Spirit then dwells within them, basically they are "borrowing" God's spirit. When we die, the Body decays, the Spirit (if present) returns to God and the Soul goes on to it's eternal destination.What about animals? Do they live and die and their soul ceases to exist, or do they burn in hell because they didn't accept a religion? What makes them any different than humans? If either of the above, why did Noah go through so much effort to save creatures that were "lost" anyways?
Wasn't sure this was a serious question. But if someone is a Christian, where better to find a like-minded Christian wife?ok the other thread wasnt very helpful (no thanks to roc doc) but is church a good place to meet a nice girl, or are they all dirty sluts who play the good girl?
This wasn’t my question to answer, but I will.ok the other thread wasnt very helpful (no thanks to roc doc) but is church a good place to meet a nice girl, or are they all dirty sluts who play the good girl?
Not all Christians believe in a young Earth... many do. Me, personally I don't believe the Earth is older than 10K years.
If the layers that formed the grand canyon were laid down over billions of years, why are the layers so flat and uniform? Why are their no erosion features within the layers?flat earth much?
you know how people say liberalism is a mental disorder? yea you have it
You're a liberal? That actually explains quite a lot.flat earth much?
you know how people say liberalism is a mental disorder? yea you have it
Another alternative theory is that the Speed of Light is not as constant as we once thought. Scientist in Australia have been playing with photons and have had some interesting discoveries including being able to slow down and even "stop" light. The current thought is that the Speed of Light has a maximum which is what we think of as the "constant" of the Speed of Light. However, what if that "maximum" varies depending on where you are in a given solar system, in a given galaxy, or in the void between galaxies? Is it possible that the speed of light increases exponentially absent as it moves further away from objects of gravity? We already know that immense gravitational fields do affect light. Is it possible in the void between galaxies that the Speed of Light approaches infinity? Instead of taking billions of years to "cross the universe" light could travel from one side of the universe to the other in a matter of a few hundred years.
You did mention the hydroplate theory, without research I wasn't sure what that timeframe was. Now I understand (and it obviously makes sense at this point) that this theory applies during the time of Noah's floods. From the outside, I had no idea the theory of those floods included an entire reconstruction of earth as we know it. About what time period did it happen (once again for the uninformed like myself)? Just so I can research and compare records, genuinely not knowing the written timelines.I mentioned Dr. Brown's Hydroplate Theory earlier. His theory explains how the continents as we know them today were formed during the flood. I recently ordered his book on the subject, but there are excerpts available online. It is an interesting theory and arguably explains the geological formations of the world better than the Theory of Plate Tectonics does.
Animals were not created in God's Image, only Man was. Man was created with a Body, a Soul and a Spirit (as God is the Son, the Father and the Holy Spirit). Since animals have no soul, they live and they die and that is it. While man's body will die, his soul will live on. The spirit is a little more complex: Adam and Eve were created with a spirit, however that spirit died the moment they sinned by eating the forbidden fruit (which was not an apple). Every man/woman born since the fall has been born spiritually dead; when a person become a Christian, the Holy Spirit then dwells within them, basically they are "borrowing" God's spirit. When we die, the Body decays, the Spirit (if present) returns to God and the Soul goes on to it's eternal destination.
Edit: Forgot to mention why Noah had the animals on the Ark. This was to replenish the earth after the Flood. Could God have simply "re-created" all of the Animals from scratch, absolutely He could have. However, I believe God chooses often to act through men. Could He send His Angels to appear all over the earth to proclaim His existence? Absolutely, yet He chooses to allow man to share the Gospel (Good News) message. Ironically, there is a day coming when He will send His Angels forth with a proclamation and the people of earth at that time will still not turn to Him.
so god made gold?If the layers that formed the grand canyon were laid down over billions of years, why are the layers so flat and uniform? Why are their no erosion features within the layers?
If sediment filled in our geologic landscape and under pressure turned to rock, it would not be flat since we have erosional features.
And its only been about 13,000 years since the last massive flood during the younger-dryas.
You know what lays out flat uniform layers of sediment? Floods and mud flows.
I don't necessarily believe in the young earth theory. But I don't buy into the billions of years of gradual change, either. The geologic landscape suggest rapid catastrophic changes over a relatively short period.
i believe im very thankful im not as naive as religious peopleYou're a liberal? That actually explains quite a lot.
You don't seem like a confident person, willing to just listen or learn anything from others. Even if it's just something to understand about another and how they see the world.
What is it you believe again? Comfort in not knowing? Or to afraid to just accept that someone else believes in something you don't? Neat. Indulge us, If ya dare. Promise I won't make fun of you... to much. I honestly feel like laughing too when I listen to theories like evolution and the big bang, though I typically refrain out of respect for another. I just simply disagree and move on confident in my belief. Unashamed of the gospel.
Also, I'm calling bullshit on this.....Nothing created God. He exists outside of the Universe, outside of Time even. The Universe (and Time) are part of His Creation.
The Hebrew name for God (YHWH) translated into English is "I AM" but that doesn't really do it justice. In Hebrew it is more accurately "The Existing One" (no beginning, no end, existing without end or beginning).
that is a conundrumSomething can't exist from nothing. It can't just appear. Something had to be prior in order for something else to happen.
God had to be someone's "creation", as you say.
Begging your pardon... Yeshua Hamashiach. Jews see Jesus as a messenger & the Christians view him as a Savior.2. Jews do not recognize Christ as the Messiah.
I asked those questions in the other thread specifically to see how literal some were taking the old testament. If that's what gives them comfort and a sense of understanding, that's great for them, but me personally I don't believe the old testament was a historical document.I'll preface this by saying I'm not religious and and not familiar with many of the details of each individual religion. I have some genuine questions about some of the stuff I've read here and a few of my own.
I didn't know that Christians believed the earth (and whole universe) is only 6,000ish years old, that raises so many questions for me. If everything is ~6,000 years old, how are we able to see the light from stars tens and hundreds of thousands (even millions) of lightyears away from us? Even most of the Milky Way that you're able to see with your bare eyes on a dark night is further than 6,000 light years away from us.
I saw mention of Pangea = Eden, around what time frame would that have somewhat violently separated into the continents we know (considering the short timeframe)?
Would the (theoretical) existence of aliens contradict any belief Christianity is founded on?
What about animals? Do they live and die and their soul ceases to exist, or do they burn in hell because they didn't accept a religion? What makes them any different than humans? If either of the above, why did Noah go through so much effort to save creatures that were "lost" anyways?
The time period for the flood was around 4400 years ago.I appreciate the genuine responses from both of you. Though it has ended in more questions which I'm completely OK with.
Very interesting on the Autrailians having data that challenges the defined speed of light, I definitely have some research to do. And the answer that He (being capable of creating the entire universe) can place the photons exactly as needed is a reasonable answer as well. Though the only reason He would so do seems to be for the specific reason of fooling humanity, as it would otherwise be an irrelevant distinction.
You did mention the hydroplate theory, without research I wasn't sure what that timeframe was. Now I understand (and it obviously makes sense at this point) that this theory applies during the time of Noah's floods. From the outside, I had no idea the theory of those floods included an entire reconstruction of earth as we know it. About what time period did it happen (once again for the uninformed like myself)? Just so I can research and compare records, genuinely not knowing the written timelines.
Well, me hoping something is accurate and the reality is something entirely different. Yah, of course I miss my furry friends and would love to see them again, but I may not. God has used animals MANY times in scripture for his purposes and gives us the opportunity to have a bond/ relationship with them here. Beyond that? Don't know.Alrighty, makes sense. I have no say one way or the other, I was just curious (though I do find it interesting flecker's belief does include his animals).
The bible says Mt Ararat in the area of Eastern TurkeyDo we know the final ballpark location of Noah's ark?
There's a pretty significant fossil record everywhere... not only the bones that survived we see in museums around the world, but all those huge crude oil deposits are derived from all the human/ animal and vegetation that was deposited from the flood.If so, is there a significant fossil record around that area?
Possibly... I am sure some animals were given some grace to adapt and survive. Some may have been food for others. Animals tend to reproduce pretty quick and don't carry their offspring in the womb for long durations.With how many carnivorous species that were (peacefully?) aboard the Ark, it would seem that those animals would need meat upon landing. But any animal deaths within the initial months on dry land seem to imply the end of the species being the only of that sex in existennce (at least within accessible range).
So interesting fact... reptiles don't stop growing so long as they live. In the time before the flood the life span was much longer for people, and animals as well. How big would a lizard get in 800 years? Dinosaur size I'm sure. We have mention of what we call dinosaurs today in the book of Job. Behemoth, Leviathan are a couple of examples of biblical references that describe dinosaurs in the days before the flood.Are there any historical references to dinosaurs within the last 6k years beyond the loch ness monster and similar "blurry film" references?
Let me get my morning coffee and I'll revisit this one.Considering there are roughly 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars in the universe (wiki), on average having a couple planets spinning around them with many having at least one planet within the human habitable "goldilocks" zone (not including the idea that aliens could live outside of the human habitable zone which could add even more possibility), it seems very probably from a statistical standpoint that intelligent nonhuman life exists elsewhere in the universe as well. But according to the contemporary beliefs, intelligent and even potentially bipedal life (just for the sake of discussion) from another planet yet not created in God's image and therefore inferior and not worthy of heaven? If humans on planet Earth are the only beings worthy of heaven, even though there are let's say 10,000 other intelligent species (which is 1 in 100 billion chance intelligent life, pretty good imo) in the universe due to having dissimilar appearance, that seems a pretty extreme belief
Sorry I may have missed a bit of my thought process, I'll have to continue my thoughts on the topic in the morning
For me, I take it rather literal... The timeline tends to match and make sense. Many others I know see it the way you do. We have been so ingrained with the ideas and teachings of evolution, plate tectonics, geology and etc. I can see why it's pretty difficult to wrap ones head around the idea the earth may have been created and not taken eons and eons to do so. Yet alone a drastic, sudden and violent change like a flood. It literally contradicts everything we are thrown at in grade school on up.I asked those questions in the other thread specifically to see how literal some were taking the old testament. If that's what gives them comfort and a sense of understanding, that's great for them, but me personally I don't believe the old testament was a historical document.
Why can't something exist from nothing?Also, I'm calling bullshit on this.....
Something can't exist from nothing. It can't just appear. Something had to be prior in order for something else to happen.
God had to be someone's "creation", as you say.
Much of Israel did not accept Jesus as the messiah. That's true. Another large faction of people did. The old testament describes the entire process in detail as to the why, when, what, where, when and how it would all take place. It even tells the entire nation of Israel that many wouldn't recognize Jesus for who he was. Isaiah wrote that Jesus would come from a branch of Jesse (Davids father) and through his line the messiah would come. Mary (Jesus mother) is a descendent of King David. The book of Luke has the entirety of the lineage from David down.Begging your pardon... Yeshua Hamashiach. Jews see Jesus as a messenger & the Christians view him as a Savior.
Sooo.....?
Why can't something exist from nothing?
Can you explain to me the big bang theory?
And yet the Big Bang Theory says that all of the matter that makes up the Universe simply exists and has "always" existed. Where'd this matter, this "dirt" (if you will) that makes up the Universe come from? Even the Big Bang Theory doesn't propose to answer that question.Also, I'm calling bullshit on this.....
Something can't exist from nothing. It can't just appear. Something had to be prior in order for something else to happen.
God had to be someone's "creation", as you say.
Not to try to speak to God's motivation; however I don't know that "fooling humans" was it as much as creating a complete and mature Universe. God wanted the stars to be visible from the very beginning, as the Gospel Message of the Messiah is portrayed there (e.g. "Virgo" = Virgin Mary); this is why the Wise Men from the East knew Jesus was born by looking at the stars.Very interesting on the Autrailians having data that challenges the defined speed of light, I definitely have some research to do. And the answer that He (being capable of creating the entire universe) can place the photons exactly as needed is a reasonable answer as well. Though the only reason He would so do seems to be for the specific reason of fooling humanity, as it would otherwise be an irrelevant distinction.
As Flecker said, about 4400-4500 years ago. There is actually a descent amount of proof for this as well. The estimated age of the Sahara Desert (oldest desert on earth), the estimated age of the oldest tree on earth, and the estimated age for the oldest coral reef on earth are all about 4400 years.You did mention the hydroplate theory, without research I wasn't sure what that timeframe was. Now I understand (and it obviously makes sense at this point) that this theory applies during the time of Noah's floods. From the outside, I had no idea the theory of those floods included an entire reconstruction of earth as we know it. About what time period did it happen (once again for the uninformed like myself)? Just so I can research and compare records, genuinely not knowing the written timelines.
As I mentioned earlier, death was not part of the original Creation; all animals, including man, were herbivores. It wasn't until after the flood that certain animals became omnivores or carnivores. This most likely occurred over the next few hundred years as the conditions on earth warranted the changes in animals we observe as "micro-evolution." We see in the Bible that after the flood the lifespan of man starts to decline (950 for Noah, 600 for Shem, 464 for Eber, 205 for Terah, 175 for Abraham... to finally 120 for Moses; this indicates that the earth became less and less hospitable after the flood. This obviously would have a profound impact on wild animals and variations within a Kind of animal would develop based on where they were on earth.Alrighty, makes sense. I have no say one way or the other, I was just curious (though I do find it interesting flecker's belief does include his animals). Do we know the final ballpark location of Noah's ark? If so, is there a significant fossil record around that area? With how many carnivorous species that were (peacefully?) aboard the Ark, it would seem that those animals would need meat upon landing. But any animal deaths within the initial months on dry land seem to imply the end of the species being the only of that sex in existennce (at least within accessible range). Are there any historical references to dinosaurs within the last 6k years beyond the loch ness monster and similar "blurry film" references?
Considering there are roughly 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars in the universe (wiki), on average having a couple planets spinning around them with many having at least one planet within the human habitable "goldilocks" zone (not including the idea that aliens could live outside of the human habitable zone which could add even more possibility), it seems very probably from a statistical standpoint that intelligent nonhuman life exists elsewhere in the universe as well. But according to the contemporary beliefs, intelligent and even potentially bipedal life (just for the sake of discussion) from another planet yet not created in God's image and therefore inferior and not worthy of heaven? If humans on planet Earth are the only beings worthy of heaven, even though there are let's say 10,000 other intelligent species (which is 1 in 100 billion chance intelligent life, pretty good imo) in the universe due to having dissimilar appearance, that seems a pretty extreme belief
No, I can't. But it didn't come from a flying spaghetti monsterWhy can't something exist from nothing?
Can you explain to me the big bang theory?
You're right... it's even worse. It came from men/ scientist!No, I can't. But it didn't come from a flying spaghetti monster
If you’re going with the expectation to ‘bag some ass’, and are successful, then you both have lost the meaning of the faith. IMO.
Wasn't sure this was a serious question. But if someone is a Christian, where better to find a like-minded Christian wife?