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Bible Prophecy - Nonbeliever's Playground

During these serious and trying times, people of all faiths should


I was baptized as a Catholic, but godddam are they shady with all the money and hiding the pedophilia. I go Christmas and Easter with my GF and grandma, and they creep me the fuck out with the cult like shit, the repetition. My GFs daughter is Catholic from day 1, smart AF, open minded, deep thinker, a force to be reckoned with, also an altar server, the other day she just contemplated out loud how Catholicism seemed like a cult:laughing:
I was raised Methodist till a teenager and we switched to a local Baptist church because they had a strong youth group. I married into a Catholic family but was married in a Lutheran church due to a very personal tie for me. (really long and irrelevant story) I have one son in law who is Catholic and one who is non denominational.

With all of the above, I find that Christians fight against each other and dislike the "other" religion for a bunch of stupid reasons. One prays first, another sings first, another greets each other first and they all say the other group is doing it wrong. Blows my mind. In the end, they all believe in Jesus Christ, communion and forgiveness of sins but can't get along and yes, act cult - like.

Personally, I am a believer in God but I struggle to attend church due to the hypocrisy of each religion. I believe the Bible was written by men who, in an age with very little science, tried their best to explain the unexplainable. For me, one of the biggest things that makes believe in the almighty is how perfect the world is. It's hard to imagine how all things blend together so well and thinking that it is all from evolution.

I am really looking forward to both of these threads because it may help me. And I really hope they don't derail.
 
What the fuck is frankincense?
Frankincense (and Myrrh) are aromatic spices; they were expensive. One of them (I don't remember which) was used more in temple sacrifices by the priests and the other was more of a burial spice. Essentially the 3 gifts of the Magi were indicative of Jesus's Royalty (gold), His place as High Priest and that He would die for our sins (the spices). Basically the Magi understood Jesus's purpose on earth.
 
Incest was not a sin until nearly 2000 years after Adam and Eve. So yes, Cain's wives and Seth's wives were their sisters.

Abraham and Sarah were 1/2 brother/sister to each other.

Rachel and Leah were cousins to Jacob.

It wasn't until the Exodus hundreds of years later where the Levitical Law was given that incest became a sin. I talk about this in my Creation Science seminar, essentially the world radically changed after the Flood and the degradation of genetic material (mutations) is a direct result of the post-flood world.
So, by your own admission, your religion was created by a bunch of inbred retards?
 
Dinosaurs.
Created at the same time as everything else. Noah would even have them on the Ark; even the biggest dinosaurs laid eggs that were relatively small (2' long). Noah wasn't dumb, you take the young, small ones, not the large ones. Most died out or were hunted out after the flood. Mokele-mbembe is an example of a possible sauropod living today deep in the rainforests of Africa. Over 1000 lakes around the world have sightings of an unknown creature (e.g. the Lochness Monster and Lake Champlain's Champ). The atmosphere is much different now vs then so they wouldn't be able to live as long, nor grow as big.

Are you sayin that carbon dating or whatever they use is all wrong?
Simple answer is yes. This is actually a good hour long discussion, but to summarize quickly:
1. Carbon (and other radio-dating methods) on samples of KNOWN age come back as being much, much older than they really are.
2. Carbon dating specifically is based on the assumption that C14 levels in the atmosphere have stabilized, however they have not (which is in itself an indication that the Earth is less than 50,000 years old).
3. Radio dating methods can only be accurate when the sample being tested has been "sealed" for the entire age of the object. In reality no such example exists and the natural phenomena of leaching drastically changes the ratio of the mother to daughter elements being tested which significantly alters the results by several orders of magnitude.
4. Testing samples from different parts of the same animal resulted in a wide variety (by 10's of thousands of years) of results.

You don't think that in 2000 plus years that the Bible proclaims a bunch of peeps sittin around a fire passin the pipe didn't come up with the greatest story in history.
The Bible was scribed by 40 different people, in 3 different languages over 1500 years in 66 books; yet are in sync and harmonize one with another. That alone is indicative of divine inspiration. However the Bible is also full of prophecies, most of which have already been fulfilled. There are approximately 2500 specific prophecies, about 2000 of which have already been fulfilled.

If religion truly wants to reach every body then they would find a way to embrace science and not be so hypocritical..
I agree. I love science, real science. But Evolution (Macro-Evolution specifically) isn't real science, not anymore. A great number of Evolutionists have written, said or otherwise indicated that the Theory of Evolution has so many irrecoverable issues that it can no longer be considered a plausible explanation for life on Earth. The only reason it continues as a "science" is the only alternative theory out there is Intelligent Design; ironically a good number of "Evolutionists" have gone so far as to say that since they cannot use Evolution to explain life on Earth, that life on Earth must have Alien origins -- and they don't even see the irony that if Aliens "planted" life here, that is a form of Intelligent Design. In another thread, I posted a number of quotes from Evolutionists that illustrate this point.

Meanwhile, I bet you have never heard of Baraminology, which are scientists researching and tracing animals back to their original created "kinds." Micro-Evolution, that is variations within a kind of animal, is the only part of Evolution which has been "proven." Baraminologists look at Micro-Evolution to "trace back" the original animals that were created by God at the beginning, and what stepped off of Noah's Ark about 4400 years ago. Those are real scientists with real PhD's doing real science; it's just never highlighted because it is Intelligent Design instead of Random Chaos.
 
If we are descendants of adam and eve then how do african americans exist. every bible has a depiction of two white people..I mean there is a fuck ton of us white people around but how do other skin pigments exist if we all descended from two white people in the middle east:stirthepot:
Just because artists depict Adam and Eve as "white" doesn't mean that they were; there is nothing in the Bible that indicates the color of Adam's skin nor anyone else until I believe one of Solomon's wives was mentioned to be "dark skinned."

The variation in skin tones likely came about after the Flood, and even more specifically after the Tower of Babel when the people were scattered around the earth. Micro-Evolution (variations within a "kind") as well as personal preferences then had a huge role as to the development of racial attributes.
 
If we are descendants of adam and eve then how do african americans exist. every bible has a depiction of two white people..I mean there is a fuck ton of us white people around but how do other skin pigments exist if we all descended from two white people in the middle east:stirthepot:
You assume adam and eve where white?

The tower of babble gives an explanation of different languages.

Gen 11:9​

9Therefore it was called Babel, because there the Lord confused the language of all the earth; and from there the Lord scattered them abroad over the face of all the earth.

There are dozens of versus talking about skin color, not sure it gives us an origin. But common sense says stay out in the sun and you will get darker. Generation after generation, genetic variances. I am surprised we don't have more colors.
 
With all of the above, I find that Christians fight against each other and dislike the "other" religion for a bunch of stupid reasons. One prays first, another sings first, another greets each other first and they all say the other group is doing it wrong. Blows my mind. In the end, they all believe in Jesus Christ, communion and forgiveness of sins but can't get along and yes, act cult - like.
This is one of the unfortunate attributes of humans. We were even warned about it in the Bible in Paul's Epistles to avoid divisions in the Church, but yet, here we are. Its like God knows the future or something 😉

Personally, I am a believer in God but I struggle to attend church due to the hypocrisy of each religion.
One of my old pastors would often say: If you find a perfect church somewhere, don't join it, if you do you'll ruin it. The Church is the people, not the "brick and mortar" building they meet in, and since it is full of people with a sinful nature, they're going to mess up. But are you going to church for the people or for God? Put your trust in man and you will always end up disappointed.
 
Take me to church
I'll worship like a dog at the shrine of your lies
I'll tell you my sins and you can sharpen your knife
Offer me that deathless death
Good God, let me give you my life!

That said. I know God exists and he's got the same sense of humor as the rest of us here. You think this stuff just happens to you? You're being fucked with and it's funny AF. It's the Church that sucks. Not the building, but the .org.

Prove me wrong. :flipoff2:

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This is one of the unfortunate attributes of humans. We were even warned about it in the Bible in Paul's Epistles to avoid divisions in the Church, but yet, here we are. Its like God knows the future or something 😉


One of my old pastors would often say: If you find a perfect church somewhere, don't join it, if you do you'll ruin it. The Church is the people, not the "brick and mortar" building they meet in, and since it is full of people with a sinful nature, they're going to mess up. But are you going to church for the people or for God? Put your trust in man and you will always end up disappointed.
I'm finding the thread very interesting.

I myself am a believer, saved and baptized. With that said, I too take issue with the "churches" I have attended. Everything starts out fine and then I start seeing the politics and the hypocrisy. Yes, they are man and as man we are all sinners and fall short of the glory of God.

However, when it is obvious, it cannot be tolerated. If someone claims to be a man/person of God and intentional does things that are wrong, I lose respect and faith in them.

Now you ask if I go to church for them or for God. Well, exactly where is "church"? Is church a building? Can church not be my heart? Can I not worship God in my heart as if it were the church?
 
Now you ask if I go to church for them or for God. Well, exactly where is "church"? Is church a building? Can church not be my heart? Can I not worship God in my heart as if it were the church?
I think if we took seriously Paul's instructions for the Church concerning Church discipline, including excommunication, then we wouldn't have nearly the problems we do today. Today's modern churches are too concerned with keeping people and excusing a poor Christian walk when the person is a "big giver" to the Church. I remember one of Paul Washer's sermons where he basically told an entire congregation that they would be excommunicated from the Churches he planted in Peru because of their Godlessness.

As for what is a Church?

"For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst." - Matthew 8:20 (NASB)

And

"not abandoning our own meeting together, as is the habit of some people, but encouraging one another; and all the more as you see the day drawing near." Hebrews 10:25 (NASB)

Personally I find small churches better than Mega-Churches and the members become like family to me.
 
You christains forever tainted your religion when you let the romans take control of it. One would think your god would do something about that, unless he's cool with genocide, boy-rape and other atrocities committed in his name.
 
I understand what you are saying but you haven't addressed why it is important to you that other people 'see the light' as you have. Why can't you just go about your own life happy in your beliefs, leaving others to have their own (dis)beliefs.
Particularly your last sentence. Why are you trying to cause the nonbelievers to open up to your beliefs?
Whether someone chooses to believe or not is between them and God, yet we are told to spread the Gospel and warn them of what is coming.

"Son of man, speak to the sons of your people and say to them, 'If I bring a sword upon a land, and the people of the land take one man from among them and make him their watchman, and he sees the sword coming upon the land and blows the horn and warns the people, then someone who hears the sound of the horn but does not take warning, and a sword comes and takes him away, his blood will be on his own head. He heard the sound of the horn but did not take warning; his blood will be on himself. But had he taken warning, he would have saved his life. But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the horn and the people are not warned, and a sword comes and takes a person from them, he is taken away for his wrongdoing; but I will require his blood from the watchman’s hand.'" - Ezekiel 33:2-6 (NASB)

If you were standing up high on a building overlooking some train tracks, and you looked down and saw someone haphazardly walking down the tracks and you looked down the tracks and could see in the distance a train coming with great speed, would you warn the guy walking down the tracks or just leave him be? If you said nothing and simply watched him get run over by a train, wouldn't you feel the least bit guilty when you could have warned him? If you yell down to him and tell him that a train is coming and he tells you to F-Off and the train hits him, at least you did what you could.
 
If you were standing up high on a building overlooking some train tracks, and you looked down and saw someone haphazardly walking down the tracks and you looked down the tracks and could see in the distance a train coming with great speed, would you warn the guy walking down the tracks or just leave him be? If you said nothing and simply watched him get run over by a train, wouldn't you feel the least bit guilty when you could have warned him? If you yell down to him and tell him that a train is coming and he tells you to F-Off and the train hits him, at least you did what you could.

How many thousands or millions have died because they told christains to "fuck off" and they didn't? How many just wanted to honor their own Gods but they were converted by the sword because the christian ego couldn't stand someone not worshiping your god? How many lives lost, families destroyed, cultures obliterated because of your need to "do what you could"?
 
The analogy with the train is pretty weak. You only believe that train is coming. You do not see it coming nor can you know for sure that it is coming. That train has been coming for a long time. Just saying.
But still, what I get out of your reply is that you want to help people if you can. I can respect that.
I have had some great conversations about the Bible and religion with a good friend of mine. I was floored when he told me that he believed in God, and he was quoting from the Bible and could talk about these prophecies very eloquently. But he also respected my disbelief and never once tried to make me feel he was right/I was wrong. That is why they were great discussions. I feel more informed, but no closer to believing.
 
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The analogy with the train is pretty weak. You only believe that train is coming. You do not see it coming nor can you know for sure that it is coming.
The Train is Death and it is coming for us all.
In the form of the end times or not, it is heading right for you and everyone else here. You cannot avoid it.

Oh yes grasshopper, the train is most certainly coming.

What do you believe will happen to you when you die?
 
The analogy with the train is pretty weak. You only believe that train is coming. You do not see it coming nor can you know for sure that it is coming. That train has been coming for a long time. Just saying.
But still, what I get out of your reply is that you want to help people if you can. I can respect that.
I have had some great conversations about the Bible and religion with a good friend of mine. I was floored when he told me that he believed in God, and he was quoting from the Bible and could talk about these prophecies very eloquently. But he also respected my disbelief and never once tried to make me feel he was right/I was wrong. That is why they were great discussions. I feel more informed, but no closer to believing.
Exactly, I don't go door to door telling people about Jesus; there are some who feel that is their calling all the more power to them. I, however, take the approach of I will tell you what I believe and why I believe it, why I believe it isn't just "blind faith". If you choose to believe, great, if not, that is between you and God.

The Bible equates evangelizing to planting seeds. Some people want to plant the seed, force it to grow and harvest all within the same conversation. I'm more inclined to throw some seeds out, if they take root awesome, if not, well maybe someone else's seeds will work better or perhaps there are no seeds that will work. But forcing the issue just makes the ground hard.
 
The Train is Death and it is coming for us all.
In the form of the end times or not, it is heading right for you and everyone else here. You cannot avoid it.

Oh yes grasshopper, the train is most certainly coming.

What do you believe will happen to you when you die?
Some believe the train is everlasting burning in hell, some believe the train is just a simple lights out, we're dead situation.

Nobody is saying we aren't going to die. :homer:
 
How many thousands or millions have died because they told christains to "fuck off" and they didn't? How many just wanted to honor their own Gods but they were converted by the sword because the christian ego couldn't stand someone not worshiping your god? How many lives lost, families destroyed, cultures obliterated because of your need to "do what you could"?
Don't confuse the actions of the Catholic Church with Christianity in general. The Catholic Church also persecuted other Christians (e.g. Donatist, Anabaptists) that didn't fall in line with their teaching. The Catholic Church also persecuted men who sought to translate the Bible into common languages like English. There is a reason medieval times are called the "dark ages." There was a lot of killing going on for a variety of reasons: "my god is better than your god" is just one of the excuses men used to destroy one another.

I find nothing in Christ's teachings that suggest we should "force" people to convert, in fact, quite the opposite is true:

"And whoever does not receive you nor listen to your words, as you leave that house or city, shake the dust off your feet." - Matthew 10:14 (NASB)
 
Don't confuse the actions of the Catholic Church with Christianity in general. The Catholic Church also persecuted other Christians (e.g. Donatist, Anabaptists) that didn't fall in line with their teaching. The Catholic Church also persecuted men who sought to translate the Bible into common languages like English. There is a reason medieval times are called the "dark ages." There was a lot of killing going on for a variety of reasons: "my god is better than your god" is just one of the excuses men used to destroy one another.

I find nothing in Christ's teachings that suggest we should "force" people to convert, in fact, quite the opposite is true:

"And whoever does not receive you nor listen to your words, as you leave that house or city, shake the dust off your feet." - Matthew 10:14 (NASB)
Most will put you all in the same group and with good reason. As for conversion, I think Psalm 7 covers some of that:

"11God is a righteous judge and a God who feels indignation each day. 12If one does not repent, God will sharpen His sword; He has bent and strung His bow. 13He has prepared His deadly weapons; He ordains His arrows with fire."

Many of the verses in Jeremiah and Ezekiel about Egypt could also be twisted around to be "examples" of what one would face if they go against your god and his church or "people". Pretty much every mention of the word "sword" is a threat of some kind to someone.
 
The Train is Death and it is coming for us all.
In the form of the end times or not, it is heading right for you and everyone else here. You cannot avoid it.

Oh yes grasshopper, the train is most certainly coming.

What do you believe will happen to you when you die?
Gee you sound like a fun person to hang out with.
I am well aware that death is coming, and I choose to believe there is nothing I can do about it.
I believe that when I die, it is all over. My consciousness simply ceases to exist and my body will be recycled into the earth. End of story. If I am lucky I get 80 to 90 years to exist and then I won't exist anymore. And I am good with that.
If it turns out I am wrong then Sweet! I'll admit I was wrong and keep on keeping on! :)
 
incest is wrong yet adam and eves kids clearly fucked each other to create the human population



but hold on let me make up some dumb bullshit about how things were different back then :lmao::lmao::lmao: you religous people are so fucking sad
 
As a kid I tried to read the Bible
It contradicted itself so often that as a 10 year old kid I couldn't finish it......people living 800 years:shaking:

Growing up going to church pretty much at gun point,

I have come to a conclusion, the more religious you are, the more you are trying to cover up something that is a skeleton in the closet


and they are the greatest tax shelter :laughing:

I treat it like masks, you want to go, knock yourself out. I really don't care, don't shit on me for not wanting to go with you
 
As a kid I tried to read the Bible
It contradicted itself so often that as a 10 year old kid I couldn't finish it......people living 800 years:shaking:

Growing up going to church pretty much at gun point,

I have come to a conclusion, the more religious you are, the more you are trying to cover up something that is a skeleton in the closet


and they are the greatest tax shelter :laughing:

I treat it like masks, you want to go, knock yourself out. I really don't care, don't shit on me for not wanting to go with you
religious people are literally the same as antifa blm dorks
 
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