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Bible Prophecy - Nonbeliever's Playground

I consider it a rip-off when you take a story, change the characters to suit your agenda and then claim it as your own.
 
MChat said:
The Bible was scribed by about 40 "authors" over 1500 years - 2000 years, starting with Job around 2000 BC, Moses around 1440 BC and ending with Paul and John in the 1st century AD. Not "a handful of spiritual leaders in the 1st century AD".

Many of the events and people recorded in the Historical books of the Old Testament are found in extra-Biblical historical accounts.
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Let's not forget all the editing done by the romans. Look at how bad the catholics freaked out when the Dead Sea Scrolls were found and were being investigated. You christains really don't know what you are following, it might be the words of your god, or it might be some roman wanting more control over his populace.
 
Elwenil said:
Let's not forget all the editing done by the romans. Look at how bad the catholics freaked out when the Dead Sea Scrolls were found and were being investigated. You christains really don't know what you are following, it might be the words of your god, or it might be some roman wanting more control over his populace.
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Try again. The KJV and most other English translations were NOT translated from the Latin Vulgate, only the Douay-Rheims one was IIRC.

Wycliff, Coverdale, Thomas, Geneva, KJV all came from the Textus Receptus. Some of the more modern translations are also mostly based on the Textus Receptus but also include text from the Alexandrian texts which have been shown to be faulty (hence their exclusion from the Textus Receptus). So no, there was no "editing done by the Romans"
 
MChat said:
The Bible was scribed by about 40 "authors" over 1500 years - 2000 years, starting with Job around 2000 BC, Moses around 1440 BC and ending with Paul and John in the 1st century AD. Not "a handful of spiritual leaders in the 1st century AD".

Many of the events and people recorded in the Historical books of the Old Testament are found in extra-Biblical historical accounts.
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Yeah, I was staying away from the old testament because I don't know much about it.
 
Harry Johnson said:
Yeah, I was staying away from the old testament because I don't know much about it.
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It is normal for people to pick on the old testament because it is the hardest to prove.
The old testament is not needed for salvation or getting into heaven.
One thing the old testament does is fore tells us of the future, which is the new testament. Some of it has already happened, some of it is still to come. It helps show the consistency. It is a foundation. So the bible supports itself. it predicted it, it happened, it predicts more we should expect that to happen as well. Including the promise of an afterlife.

Not sure there is any other religion like that.
 
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Tiha said:
It is normal for people to pick on the old testament because it is the hardest to prove.
The old testament is not needed for salvation or getting into heaven.
One thing the old testament does is fore tells us of the future, which is the new testament. Some of it has already happened, some of it is still to come. It helps show the consistency. It is a foundation. So the bible supports itself. it predicted it, it happened, it predicts more we should expect that to happen as well. Including the promise of an afterlife.

Not sure there is any other religion like that.
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Yabut... :flipoff2:The skeptic in me says you can't self-validate your own predictions.
 
Question for ya here Mc, out of other thread respect…

In regards to your interpretation of world events now and how they play into the “end of times”, have you ever looked at past events in history to see if there could have been a correlation then?
 
Mr Stubs said:
Question for ya here Mc, out of other thread respect…

In regards to your interpretation of world events now and how they play into the “end of times”, have you ever looked at past events in history to see if there could have been a correlation then?
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Throughout history, some Christians have been pointing fingers at certain individuals (or "positions of power") as the Anti-Christ. When Queen Mary persecuted Protestants in England (as an effort to reunite the Church of England with the Roman Catholic Church) and they fled to Geneva, they translated the Bible into English (a translation which pre-dates the King James version). One of the key features of the Geneva Bible is the margin notes, very similar to modern day "study bibles" which include commentary by one or more "Bible Scholars." However, these notes were actually written by the scholars that did the work to translate from the original languages to English. Reading the notes they left regarding the Antichrist, you'll find that they painted the Pope (position more so than person) of the RCC as the Antichrist.

Other Antichrist candidates have included the Emperor of Rome (by the Early Church), Napoleon, various other European Kings, Hitler and more recently Obama and Putin. It can be said of most (or all) of these that they had the "spirit of the Antichrist", yet there were a number of prophecies that were "unfulfillable" at the time. Until 1948 there was no nation of Israel in which a 3rd Temple could be built (in which the Antichrist will stand proclaiming to be God). Even after 1948, Israel didn't occupy Jerusalem (and the Temple Mount) until after the 6-day war of 1967. While there have been leaders with an "evil Antichrist-like" appearance, they couldn't possibly be the Antichrist because of the other unfulfilled prophecies.

There are a few "big hurdles" (prophecies) that needed to have occurred first:

1. Israel had to become a nation again. This is prophesied in numerous places, most notably Ezekiel 37 (Valley of Dry Bones coming to life is the rebirth of the Nation of Israel) and more here. -- Obviously this happened in 1948.

2. Israel has to reclaim the temple mount in order to build the 3rd Temple, and they have to actually rebuild the temple. Right now, this is "on hold" as building the temple where they want would cause a war with pretty much every Islamic nation in the world as they'd have to remove the Dome of the Rock (unless they can find a way to "coexist" on the Temple Mount with Islam). However, Israel has all of the Temple's components prebuilt and ready to assemble. It is estimated that they could construct the Temple in 3 to 6 months.

3. The Mark of the Beast - the Antichrist causes "all" (presumably everyone on earth) to receive the Mark in order to "buy and sell". In the past this was thought of as a "law" that would be passed with (presumably) stiff penalties for violations (e.g., executing store owners that sold to someone without the Mark). However, if my suspicions are correct about the Antichrist destroying the Elite Families and their Central Banks, a block-chain-based Digital Currency that requires an embedded micro-chip makes the Mark a technological possibility without needing "laws with stiff penalties". You simply won't have a "digital wallet" without the Mark (micro-chip); you won't be able to "buy and sell" because you cannot receive nor give "money" without it.

Every "end-times" movie I have ever seen paints the Antichrist as an obviously evil person that tyrannically rules by force and by fear. Based on my study and looking at the world around me, I think that the vast majority of the world is going to gladly follow the Antichrist and his 10 kings when they finally do come on the scene. Compared to the darkness that we see around the world right now the Antichrist will be an "angel of light" and the first 3 1/2 years will be one of relative peace and prosperity; not one of tyranny and suffering.

For the first time in history, in my opinion, are the end-times prophecies truly achievable. I hope this addresses your curiosity.
 
MChat said:
Try again. The KJV and most other English translations were NOT translated from the Latin Vulgate, only the Douay-Rheims one was IIRC.

Wycliff, Coverdale, Thomas, Geneva, KJV all came from the Textus Receptus. Some of the more modern translations are also mostly based on the Textus Receptus but also include text from the Alexandrian texts which have been shown to be faulty (hence their exclusion from the Textus Receptus). So no, there was no "editing done by the Romans"
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Not only that, but one can literally go back to the classic Hebrew text (Aramaic in some instances, like Daniel or Ezra), and in the case of the Gospel and new testament the Greek. The original script of the bible is present. The Torah didn't change, nor did the original manuscripts. Despite the versions, NIV, KJV, AS, NKJV and etc. it ALL recites the EXACT same message. There is NO Roman edited version. Never was. Anyone who says otherwise hasn't done their homework or is just willingly ignorant of historical records.
 
flecker said:
Not only that, but one can literally go back to the classic Hebrew text (Aramaic in some instances, like Daniel or Ezra), and in the case of the Gospel and new testament the Greek. The original script of the bible is present. The Torah didn't change, nor did the original manuscripts. Despite the versions, NIV, KJV, AS, NKJV and etc. it ALL recites the EXACT same message. There is NO Roman edited version. Never was. Anyone who says otherwise hasn't done their homework or is just willingly ignorant of historical records.
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And Christ was a 6'4" white European surfer dude.

Amirite?!!:laughing:
 
When you get to heaven you get to see this at the heavenly arcade.

I miss acrades.
Skee ball, nickle claw machines, the pike, etc.

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Elwenil said:
How many thousands or millions have died because they told christains to "fuck off" and they didn't? How many just wanted to honor their own Gods but they were converted by the sword because the christian ego couldn't stand someone not worshiping your god? How many lives lost, families destroyed, cultures obliterated because of your need to "do what you could"?
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perhaps you prefer goat sex with the muzzys?
 
bbagwell said:
I went to church as a kid with a friend. One day they asked if we had read the ten commandments. Sure yeah we have all read them. Have you ever broken one of them? Well yeah of course. Well you are going to hell and there is nothing you can do about it. Well that freed up my Sundays! Jesus won't save you unless you speak in tongues..... Well that never happened so off to hell! Later in life I went to a church that was much different. I believe in God but I have a hard time believing everything in the Bible. Especially since King James threw out a bunch of it, and printed what he wanted. Also I believe language loses meaning through translation. I was told my a co-worker I am going to hell. I told him I will see him there. He said no I am saved I am going to Heaven. I told him only God can judge me, and if you think you can make that judgement see you in hell asshole.
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The lost in translation issue is why the Book of Mormon exists - to Mormons. I know, that's for the Mormon stuff thread, but that's one sect that does recognize the fact above. How the Book of Mormon came to be is always up for debate, but their reasoning is that it's only been translated once vs. the mulitple times the bible books have been translated.

No, I'm not Mormon, but I am fascinated by religious history and amused by all the misconceptions around different groups.
 
flecker said:
So MChat ,

What do you make of this article?

MSN

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Gearing up for Ezekiel 38/39 - the "Gog/Magog War".

Doubtful with the Potato in office that the U.S. will actually do anything. An attack on Iran could definitely be the "hook in the jaw" to bring Gog/Magog out of the north. I always thought it would be Syria since Syria is extremely hostile toward Israel and Syria isn't mentioned as part of the coalition of forces in Ezekiel 38. Maybe Syria is taken out as a result of a "quick" skirmish between Iran & Israel?

Russia is currently a little busy with Ukraine, so maybe Israel sees this as a prime time to hit Iran. Since most Bible prophecy is written from Israel's point of view, the Ezekiel 38/39 war could be a description of WWIII. Yes, the U.S. (and all of the other former territories of the British Empire) initially don't get involved (Ezekiel 38:13), but if I am correct about Isaiah 18 applying to the U.S., then the war comes here ultimately anyway.

Ezekiel 39:6 says "“And I will send fire upon Magog and those who inhabit the coastlands in safety". Is God going to use the U.S. to "send fire" upon Russia? There have been those that speculate that the Antichrist will rise to power as a result of a nuclear war between the U.S. and Russia; a power vacuum would exist allowing him to ride in to set up a treaty with the remnants of the earth. While I have thought that may be a possibility, I leaned toward the belief that the AC would come on the scene in a relatively peaceful manner.
 
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interesting read....
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Interesting how the author paints the pastor as an evil, white, radical, right-wing extremist. "It’s hard to pinpoint exactly when Tucker’s radicalization began". It's difficult to pinpoint because, no matter how the article tries to slant it, it is the progressives that have moved so far to the Left. The pastor is where he likely always has been, but now speaking out against the debauchery of the Left is seen as a hate crime.

"Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness; Who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!" - Isaiah 5:20
 
MChat said:
Gearing up for Ezekiel 38/39 - the "Gog/Magog War".

Doubtful with the Potato in office that the U.S. will actually do anything. An attack on Iran could definitely be the "hook in the jaw" to bring Gog/Magog out of the north. I always thought it would be Syria since Syria is extremely hostile toward Israel and Syria isn't mentioned as part of the coalition of forces in Ezekiel 38. Maybe Syria is taken out as a result of a "quick" skirmish between Iran & Israel?

Russia is currently a little busy with Ukraine, so maybe Israel sees this as a prime time to hit Iran. Since most Bible prophecy is written from Israel's point of view, the Ezekiel 38/39 war could be a description of WWIII. Yes, the U.S. (and all of the other former territories of the British Empire) initially don't get involved (Ezekiel 38:13), but if I am correct about Isaiah 18 applying to the U.S., then the war comes here ultimately anyway.

Ezekiel 39:6 says "“And I will send fire upon Magog and those who inhabit the coastlands in safety". Is God going to use the U.S. to "send fire" upon Russia? There have been those that speculate that the Antichrist will rise to power as a result of a nuclear war between the U.S. and Russia; a power vacuum would exist allowing him to ride in to set up a treaty with the remnants of the earth. While I have thought that may be a possibility, I leaned toward the belief that the AC would come on the scene in a relatively peaceful manner.
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Pretty much what I said as I read it also...
 
rockota said:
MChat - you might enjoy this Word salad…..


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"My god is a queer god": Try to make it through this truly amazing woke salad without scrambling your brain

This one gets an award for packing so many woke terms into such a short presentation that it has officially left the English language behind.
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The sad thing is that she probably actually believes it. She tries to use all of the big words her college professors taught her to make herself sound "smart", but in the end, it is clear to everyone that read or listened to that nonsense she is simply educated beyond her intelligence.

"my god is transcending and transubstantiating justice", I bet she couldn't tell you what transubstantiation means.
 
MChat said:
The sad thing is that she probably actually believes it. She tries to use all of the big words her college professors taught her to make herself sound "smart", but in the end, it is clear to everyone that read or listened to that nonsense she is simply educated beyond her intelligence.

"my god is transcending and transubstantiating justice", I bet she couldn't tell you what transubstantiation means.
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I couldn’t define it w/o a dictionary :flipoff2:

It’s interesting to watch people redefine God into a caricature of the persons whims.
 
rockota said:
I couldn’t define it w/o a dictionary :flipoff2:
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But you didn't try to use it to make yourself sound smarter either; she did. :laughing:

I know what it is because I teach, which means I study - a lot. It's not a word most people are familiar with, even some of the most devout Catholics that I know don't know what it means, nor that the Catholic Church believes/teaches it.

rockota said:
It’s interesting to watch people redefine God into a caricature of the persons whims.
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I did a 9 month long Adult Sunday School series on What the Bible Teaches About God; you'd be surprised at the number of "churched individuals" that wanted to argue with me "that's not my god." It is man's nature to want to make God in his image rather than the other way around.

This was the basis for the Sunday School lessons: The One True God: A Biblical study of the Doctrine of God: Mr Paul David Washer: 9781466316300: Amazon.com: Books It is a great Bible Study that essentially has a little bit of introductory text for each chapter then a list of questions and the Bible verses for you to read to answer the questions (and room to write what you found in the verses).

Somewhere I have audio of those lessons.
 
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