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It was a serious question. I keep religion close to my heart but dont do church, so I figured I would ask the people who do, how the crowd there really is. Is it made up of genuinely good people, or extreme sinners who are trying to "be a born again christian".



yes, it was a serious question. I dont know the crowd or women that go to church (because I have not gone much), and figured you or others would know the attendees overall better than I could ever guess. Sorry for off topic. The churches around me have a corrupt reputation (money laundering, etc) so I chose to stay away from them for the most part, not putting further effort into finding a good one.
It really does depend on the church. The last time I moved, my wife and I visited several churches. Everything from bigger churches with thousands of members to churches with only a handful of members. I'm sad to say that in my experience (your mileage may vary) the bigger a church is, the less Godly the people are that attend it; the more comfortable they are with the idea that warming a chair for an hour or two on Sunday is all there is to "Christianity." And the bigger a churches more often have a pastor that is "higher than thou." Heck, one church we went to the "pastor" had his own private entrance, would come out, do his sermon and then leave like some kind of "rock star."

In my experience churches that are around 200 members or less seem to be doing more on a regular basis than the larger churches. But it is also not just about the size of the church, as I have seen small churches that are spiritually dead; and (it's been years) I have seen larger churches that were "on fire for God." IMO, finding the right church is something you should prayerfully consider; ask God to reveal where He wants you to be.

As for finding a wife at one, IMO you have a better chance at finding a Godly wife when you are going to a Godly church. I would however advise looking at it a different way; pray and work toward becoming even more of the man that would make a husband worthy of a Godly wife than you already are and you'll be surprised at who God brings into your life.
 
I would however advise looking at it a different way; pray and work toward becoming even more of the man that would make a husband worthy of a Godly wife than you already are and you'll be surprised at who God brings into your life.

this is where I am now. thank you for your advice and feedback. perhaps its not the right time.
 
All Jews will leave a cup out for the messiah/ Elijah at Passover supper. They just completely missed it. And it makes sense. Jesus came with the gospel in around 33 A.D. Not all would hear and believe then. Jerusalem would be destroyed in 70 A.D., and much of the new testament hadn't been completed by then.
This is one of the things I find most interesting, and each time I learn something new about Jewish traditions of the Old Testament, the more I see how the entire Old Testament is pointing forward to the Messiah (Jesus).

Given the timelines of Passover week of 33 AD (some say 30 AD, as both line up the same); Jesus came riding into Jerusalem on a donkey the same day Hebrew households were selecting and presenting their Passover Lambs. Because Jesus was Galilean (who reconciled the days as Sunrise to Sunrise instead of Sunset to Sunset like the Judeans), He and His disciples held their Passover meal the evening prior to the Judeans. This difference between Galileans and Judeans is recorded external to the Bible and was welcomed at the time as there were too many people celebrating Passover in Jerusalem which because of Passover now had around 170,000 people (Jerusalem usually had 20,000 residents).

In the same hour (9am) that Passover lambs were being "tied up" for slaughter, Jesus was being "tied down" (nailed) to the Cross. Passover lambs were traditionally splayed open, with a branch horizontally across the front legs and another branch placed vertically; so Passover lambs were traditionally roasted on a "mini" version of the Cross. Jesus died in the same hour (3pm) that the Passover lambs were slaughtered; when the High Priest had finished slaughtering all of the lambs, he would raise his hands up and say "It is Finished"; just before Jesus died, He said "It is Finished".


Yet the similarities doe not end there. Jesus rose from the tomb on Resurrection Sunday, which happened to be the same day as the Feast of the First Fruits (and sacrifice thereof). No Israelite was allowed to eat of their (barley) harvest until the First Fruits sacrifice had been completed; the crops were deemed "unworthy" or "unclean". They would take a stalk of the best of their barley and present it as a sacrifice; the High Priest would gather all of the stalks together and make an offering unto God; the offering was then deemed worthy, making the entire rest of the harvest worthy as well. The Bible calls Jesus the First Fruits; He was presented to God on the day of the sacrifice for First Fruits and deemed worthy, making the entire rest of the harvest (Christians) worthy as well.


I'm only scratching the surface here, as there are deeper meanings into the Passover Lamb, the source of this tradition (the Exodus) and related traditions at the time, as well as elements of the Seder (Passover) dinner that many Christian miss thanks to Constantine outlawing the Feasts of Israel and replacing them with "Christianized" versions of pagan holidays.

When you really start studying the Bible, it's supernatural origins really become apparent.
 
I went to church as a kid with a friend. One day they asked if we had read the ten commandments. Sure yeah we have all read them. Have you ever broken one of them? Well yeah of course. Well you are going to hell and there is nothing you can do about it. Well that freed up my Sundays! Jesus won't save you unless you speak in tongues..... Well that never happened so off to hell! Later in life I went to a church that was much different. I believe in God but I have a hard time believing everything in the Bible. Especially since King James threw out a bunch of it, and printed what he wanted. Also I believe language loses meaning through translation. I was told my a co-worker I am going to hell. I told him I will see him there. He said no I am saved I am going to Heaven. I told him only God can judge me, and if you think you can make that judgement see you in hell asshole.
I'm in a similar conundrum... With so many religions that say "they are the real ones", it's hard to make an argument as to which one really is the "winner".

At this point, my "church" is my world, my God is my mind and the way I choose to lead my life. I will have my beliefs based upon whatever I have gleaned in my life time and will be satisfied with that.

A recent meme made me wonder about Christianity when it pointed out the names of the Apostles were Luke, Peter. Matthew...etc; certainly not middle eastern names.....what gives?
 
A recent meme made me wonder about Christianity when it pointed out the names of the Apostles were Luke, Peter. Matthew...etc; certainly not middle eastern names.....what gives?
Most of the names are transliterations.

Luke = Loukas
Mark = Markos
Paul = Paulos
Peter = Petros
Simon = Simon (see'-mone)
Andrew = Andreas
Matthew = Matthaios

Bear in mind that some of these are also transliterations of transliterations. In other words Simon a Greek version of Shimon and Matthaios is a Greek version of Matthitjah.
 
I'm in a similar conundrum... With so many religions that say "they are the real ones", it's hard to make an argument as to which one really is the "winner".

At this point, my "church" is my world, my God is my mind and the way I choose to lead my life. I will have my beliefs based upon whatever I have gleaned in my life time and will be satisfied with that.

A recent meme made me wonder about Christianity when it pointed out the names of the Apostles were Luke, Peter. Matthew...etc; certainly not middle eastern names.....what gives?
I'll say it, and probably take a beating for it... but I really don't care. The church we witness today in America (and most of the world) is NOT the church I see in the bible. At all. In fact I am disgusted in many ways at the church we have here, and frankly I imagine God is to a degree as well.

The church founded by the Apostles resembled friends breaking bread together and talking about God/ Jesus and his word. I think in my life I have witnessed this ONCE. For a duration of my late 20's I had a bible study with a tight knit group of friends. We would eat, study, read and just hang out. We all of us knew one another. There was a comradery and a knowledge of who we were. If someone needed a hand or was going through something, well... we were all friends (I mean sisters/ brothers/ wives husbands/ good friends). It was FAMILY.
It wasn't some mega church where they have some cheesmo band for 45 minutes, then a pastor talks for 30 minutes followed with another 20 minutes of worship music and they can't wait to pass the plate/ basket to collect.

No, the church in the US is a completely different animal in many regards to what the bible explains. Now don't get me wrong, I am not saying EVERY church out there is a misguided prosperity gospel organization geared to make money... but once you make a church a business it's pretty much downhill from there.
 
The church founded by the Apostles resembled friends breaking bread together and talking about God/ Jesus and his word. I think in my life I have witnessed this ONCE. For a duration of my late 20's I had a bible study with a tight knit group of friends. We would eat, study, read and just hang out. We all of us knew one another. There was a comradery and a knowledge of who we were. If someone needed a hand or was going through something, well... we were all friends (I mean sisters/ brothers/ wives husbands/ good friends). It was FAMILY.
This. So much this.

The church I belong to now is very much like this; while we do have a Pastor that preaches each Sunday, the real learning happens after service is over and we have some great conversations. Wednesday night Bible studies, we have dinner (my wife prepares the meal every other Wednesday), we talk (fellowship), we have an awesome Bible study lead by someone that's usually not the Pastor, and often the study leads to discussions during the Bible study (as well as after).

My wife and I are moving up to the Heber area over the next few months; we will be in search of a church up there, but will be looking for the same "family" type atmosphere. We are also planning on "coming down from the mountain" one Sunday a month to keep in touch with the church family we have now.
 
Wednesday night Bible studies, we have dinner (my wife prepares the meal every other Wednesday), we talk (fellowship), we have an awesome Bible study lead by someone that's usually not the Pastor, and often the study leads to discussions during the Bible study (as well as after).

Why Wednesday? I have never understood that. You do know what Wednesday means, don't you?
 
Why Wednesday? I have never understood that. You do know what Wednesday means, don't you?
It's middle of the week, more or less 1/2 way to the next Sunday.

As for the meaning? Duck-Duck-Go tells me "Wodens-day is the Anglo-Saxon equivalent of the Norse Odin or the Roman Mercury a sky god and the god of wisdom, poetry, commerce, travel, thievery, eloquence and science"

Or did you simply mean the more obvious "hump-day" :laughing:
 
It's middle of the week, more or less 1/2 way to the next Sunday.

As for the meaning? Duck-Duck-Go tells me "Wodens-day is the Anglo-Saxon equivalent of the Norse Odin or the Roman Mercury a sky god and the god of wisdom, poetry, commerce, travel, thievery, eloquence and science"

Or did you simply mean the more obvious "hump-day" :laughing:
Pretty sure he meant "hump day"...

We always had a study on Wednesday too.
 
It's middle of the week, more or less 1/2 way to the next Sunday.

As for the meaning? Duck-Duck-Go tells me "Wodens-day is the Anglo-Saxon equivalent of the Norse Odin or the Roman Mercury a sky god and the god of wisdom, poetry, commerce, travel, thievery, eloquence and science"

Or did you simply mean the more obvious "hump-day" :laughing:
I am proudly Heathen, so I naturally meant the Woden's Day meaning.

From Dictionary.com:

Where does Wednesday come from?​



The first records of the word Wednesday come from before 950. It comes from the Middle English Wednesdai, from the Old English Wōdnesdæg, meaning “Woden‘s day.” This is a translation of (or is modeled on) the Latin term Mercuriī diēs, meaning “Mercury’s day.” In Old English, the Roman god Mercury was subbed out in favor of Woden, the chief god of Anglo-Saxon mythology (equivalent to the Norse god Odin).


Wednesday is just one of the days of the week named after a mythological figure. Tuesday derives its name from Tiu, war god of Anglo-Saxon mythology. Thursday is named for Thor, hammer-wielding god of thunder (and son of Odin). Friday is thought to be named for love goddess Freya or chief goddess Frigg, wife of Odin. Saturday’s name comes from Saturn, Roman god of agriculture.

Sunday is for Sun or Sunna so Sun's Day, Monday is for the god Mani so Mani's Day, Tuesday is Tyr's Day, Wednesday is Woden's Day, Thursday is Thor's Day and Friday is a bit of a mixup as different people believe it refers to Frigg, Freya, or Frey. As I said before, Saturday is named fro the roman god Saturn for whatever reason. Perhaps the Norse name "Laugardagr" didn't have the same importance as it is not named for a God, but literally means Bath Day. 😁
 
Now you're just making stuff up to fit your opinion and it's not doing your creditability any good. Light has no mass and can slow down when going through a medium like a diamond or water, but it can never go faster than 186,000 miles per second and that's in the vacuum of space. Light is not directly affected by gravity, it's the space-time that is warped by the gravity from a star or black hole.


"All objects with mass warp space-time around them; the more massive an object, the more pronounced the warping it causes. When photons travel through the region near a massive object that has caused significant warping, they follow curved paths because the space-time through which they are moving is curved."


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Another alternative theory is that the Speed of Light is not as constant as we once thought. Scientist in Australia have been playing with photons and have had some interesting discoveries including being able to slow down and even "stop" light. The current thought is that the Speed of Light has a maximum which is what we think of as the "constant" of the Speed of Light. However, what if that "maximum" varies depending on where you are in a given solar system, in a given galaxy, or in the void between galaxies? Is it possible that the speed of light increases exponentially absent as it moves further away from objects of gravity? We already know that immense gravitational fields do affect light. Is it possible in the void between galaxies that the Speed of Light approaches infinity? Instead of taking billions of years to "cross the universe" light could travel from one side of the universe to the other in a matter of a few hundred years.
 
Now you're just making stuff up to fit your opinion and it's not doing your creditability any good. Light has no mass and can slow down when going through a medium like a diamond or water, but it can never go faster than 186,000 miles per second and that's in the vacuum of space. Light is not directly affected by gravity, it's the space-time that is warped by the gravity from a star or black hole.
Well I never claimed to be a physicist; I'm just a guy who reads a lot. When I read that Australians are doing some interesting things with light, I thought "hey, maybe we don't know as much about light as we think we do." That is the beauty of real science is that as we gather more and more evidence about the Universe we live in, whether our current theories are either proven or disproven, new ideas, new theories are developed based on the evidence.

Considering some of the things that "science" used to hold as true, which later was revealed to be false, the idea of the speed of light being a constant, in my hallucination, could be one of those things. Here are some examples of "science" that later turned out to be false:

Spontaneous Generation - the idea that an old blanket or and old pair of underwear and some wheat grains could "spontaneously generate" mice. Or meat would spontaneously generate maggots and flies. Muddy soil gave birth to frogs, worms and beetles. This was "science" until the 18th century.

The "tongue map" where certain parts of the tongue are responsible for different types of tastes - bitter, sour, salty and sweet being different parts of the tongue (heck I remember being taught this in 8th grade biology) has recently been proven to be false.

Physicists used to believe that the space between the earth, the sun and the other planets was something called "aether."

At the beginning the industrial revolution, when trains were first invented, physicians and psychologists wrote medical journals explaining how traveling too much on a train would cause insanity as the jarring motion of a train damaged the brain. There was also discussion on whether or not people would be able to breath at higher speeds.

Mercury was once considered a safe disinfectant, laxative and cure for syphilis.

in the mid 1800's when a physician from Hungary suggested that doctors should wash their hands after examining a patient his peers literally mocked & laughed him into an asylum as he suffered from a nervous breakdown due to their response.

Also before the mid 1800's disease was thought to be spread by "miasma" (poisonous air rising up from the ground as a result of decaying organic matter).


So with everything we have learned from science over the years, including the things we thought were true that turned out to be not true. Could it be that "the Speed of Light" is something that we have misunderstood, especially considering what modern science is doing with light?

 
Anybody know that the tablet was originally 13 commandants? What happened was the "High & Mighty" Moses was all butterfingers and dropped it... thus breaking off the last 3. Nowadays it's known as the 10 commandants-
 
Well I never claimed to be a physicist; I'm just a guy who reads a lot. When I read that Australians are doing some interesting things with light, I thought "hey, maybe we don't know as much about light as we think we do." That is the beauty of real science is that as we gather more and more evidence about the Universe we live in, whether our current theories are either proven or disproven, new ideas, new theories are developed based on the evidence.

Considering some of the things that "science" used to hold as true, which later was revealed to be false, the idea of the speed of light being a constant, in my hallucination, could be one of those things. Here are some examples of "science" that later turned out to be false:

Spontaneous Generation - the idea that an old blanket or and old pair of underwear and some wheat grains could "spontaneously generate" mice. Or meat would spontaneously generate maggots and flies. Muddy soil gave birth to frogs, worms and beetles. This was "science" until the 18th century.

The "tongue map" where certain parts of the tongue are responsible for different types of tastes - bitter, sour, salty and sweet being different parts of the tongue (heck I remember being taught this in 8th grade biology) has recently been proven to be false.

Physicists used to believe that the space between the earth, the sun and the other planets was something called "aether."

At the beginning the industrial revolution, when trains were first invented, physicians and psychologists wrote medical journals explaining how traveling too much on a train would cause insanity as the jarring motion of a train damaged the brain. There was also discussion on whether or not people would be able to breath at higher speeds.

Mercury was once considered a safe disinfectant, laxative and cure for syphilis.

in the mid 1800's when a physician from Hungary suggested that doctors should wash their hands after examining a patient his peers literally mocked & laughed him into an asylum as he suffered from a nervous breakdown due to their response.

Also before the mid 1800's disease was thought to be spread by "miasma" (poisonous air rising up from the ground as a result of decaying organic matter).


So with everything we have learned from science over the years, including the things we thought were true that turned out to be not true. Could it be that "the Speed of Light" is something that we have misunderstood, especially considering what modern science is doing with light?

I get your general point, and of course information changes over time and I think any reasonably educated person know this, but it's quite a jump from your examples above to saying that the speed of light could go infinite in the vacuum of space. This is my problem with Intelligent Design while just about anything is possible, it's still not likely that your theory is correct, so applying the work of some Australian scientists on slowing down light does not give credence to speeding up light past C. While Einstein's Theory of General Relativity is still a theory, and by his own admission, not a complete one, it has been proven over and over by both mathematics and observation. It will be expanded upon by scientists in the future, but it's not likely to go the way of blood letting dirty surgeons.
 
And that is between you and God; I'm not here to bash you over the head with my God or my Bible. I'm here to inform, by informing I am "planting seeds". Whether or not you choose to allow those seeds to grow or to decide that they are (B.S. or "Fake News") weeds and pluck them out, is up to you.
Isnt the "planting seeds" that the bible requires of believers? And somewhere in there it says that the end times will not come until every ear has heard the good news?
 
Isnt the "planting seeds" that the bible requires of believers?
Yes, Matthew 13 talks about the parable of sowing seeds (the Gospel). I don't know where we went from sowing seeds and letting God give the increase to "pound them over the head with your Bible until they submit." Everyone wants to harvest, nobody wants to sow. In John 4:36-38 we read that often one sows, and another reaps.

"...the one who sows and the one who reaps may rejoice together. For in this case the saying is true: ‘One sows and another reaps.’ I sent you to reap that for which you have not labored; others have labored, and you have [l]come into their labor.”" - John 4:36-38 (NASB)

We are to be like the watchers on the wall; if we warn and someone doesn't listen, then their blood is on them. However if we do not warn, then their blood is on us.

And somewhere in there it says that the end times will not come until every ear has heard the good news?
"This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come." - Matthew 24:14

However, I don't believe that man is going to live up to the challenge. IMO we are very close to seeing the Anti-Christ come on the scene (I will be very surprised if we don't see this by the end of this decade) and there are still something like 1900 "indigenous peoples" that have not been reached by missionaries. However in Revelation we read that the Gospel will still be preached to everyone, just not by man:

"And I saw another angel flying in midheaven with an eternal gospel to preach to those who live on the earth, and to every nation, tribe, language, and people" - Revelation 14:6 (NASB)
 
"This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come." - Matthew 24:14

However, I don't believe that man is going to live up to the challenge.
The pentecostal church I grew up in taught pre trib and that until Matthew 24:14 happened, the rapture would not happen. thanks for the threads, I am enjoying reading them. I guess to quote roc doc, I am your audience. I have been full on back sliding since roughly 2010. these threads might be(are) the push I need to get right with god. who'd of thought, some guy from across the country that wheels.....
 
I have a question, I have wondered about it a ton.

Pick any pre-christian exposed culture. Mayans, Aztek, or the thousands of un-named thus now unknown tribal cultures.

Many of them lived for thousands of years with no exposure to christ or the concept. Those people? lived and died for hundreds of years with no exposure? What the hell about them? damned? Free pass to heaven? Or does their religion apply selectively to them?
 
I have a question, I have wondered about it a ton.

Pick any pre-christian exposed culture. Mayans, Aztek, or the thousands of un-named thus now unknown tribal cultures.

Many of them lived for thousands of years with no exposure to christ or the concept. Those people? lived and died for hundreds of years with no exposure? What the hell about them? damned? Free pass to heaven? Or does their religion apply selectively to them?
Romans 1:20, KJV: "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:"

Every person is given enough information.

I have seen some beautiful places in this world and they alone would tell me there is a God and he created this for me.
 
The pentecostal church I grew up in taught pre trib and that until Matthew 24:14 happened, the rapture would not happen. thanks for the threads, I am enjoying reading them. I guess to quote roc doc, I am your audience. I have been full on back sliding since roughly 2010. these threads might be(are) the push I need to get right with god. who'd of thought, some guy from across the country that wheels.....
Asymmetrical ideological warfare. :cool:cool
 
The pentecostal church I grew up in taught pre trib and that until Matthew 24:14 happened, the rapture would not happen. thanks for the threads, I am enjoying reading them. I guess to quote roc doc, I am your audience. I have been full on back sliding since roughly 2010. these threads might be(are) the push I need to get right with god. who'd of thought, some guy from across the country that wheels.....
I guess I think it is being preached to all nations currently. Doesn't mean they are listening or their governments allow it.

Many "christians" are killed in other countries. So the word is there already.
 
It's too bad people don't spend nearly as much time trying to prove the bible as they do trying to disprove it.

If they put that much effort into proving it then it would be so much easier to see instead of attacking christians with their own personal interpretations.

CS Lewis has a book called case for Christ. he was a non believer, his wife became a believer and basically it pissed him off so he set out to prove Jesus was a hoax so he could throw it in her face. he was already an established investigative reporter.

It is a good read for anyone. Believer or not.
 
It's too bad people don't spend nearly as much time trying to prove the bible as they do trying to disprove it.

If they put that much effort into proving it then it would be so much easier to see instead of attacking christians with their own personal interpretations.

CS Lewis has a book called case for Christ. he was a non believer, his wife became a believer and basically it pissed him off so he set out to prove Jesus was a hoax so he could throw it in her face. he was already an established investigative reporter.

It is a good read for anyone. Believer or not.
I think that was Strobel...

CS Lewis was a pretty sharp man though.
 
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