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Deuce 40s said:
That's not what I'm saying. Life definitely should be based on non-carbon things elsewhere. I think the only way we could theoretically be physically contacted is by aliens who aren't carbon based.

It's for that reason that they couldn't intertwine their DNA with ours. It wouldn't work.
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I think that we don't know what we don't know. If you pay attention to theoretical physics, it's becoming very apparent that we might not know a LOT. I mean, that's obvious in the grand scheme of things but I'm talking about the very nature of reality and consciousness.
 
Deuce 40s said:
That's not what I'm saying. Life definitely should be based on non-carbon things elsewhere. I think the only way we could theoretically be physically contacted is by aliens who aren't carbon based.

It's for that reason that they couldn't intertwine their DNA with ours. It wouldn't work.
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They're hypothetically millions of years more advanced than us. They can make DNA.



alien Steve- [looking at knocked out homo-whatever in spaceship] "Oh shit Frank! These damn things are carbon based!"

alien Frank- "I'm on it." [keyboard clicking noises] "There. I've got the program printing right now. When this batch of sperm is ready, we'll inject it into her breeding hole then drop her ass off just south of the canyon. Grab a few more, and knock them bitches up too while we're at it. Come back and check up on 'em in a couple hundred thousand years."

alien Steve- "Fucking sweet. When we get back to Glorgon 9, I'm gonna buy you a beer."

alien Frank- "Damn right you are. Now, grab your alien turkey baster thingy and let's go fill up some monkey vag."
 
45acp said:
They're hypothetically millions of years more advanced than us. They can make DNA.



alien Steve- [looking at knocked out homo-whatever in spaceship] "Oh shit Frank! These damn things are carbon based!"

alien Frank- "I'm on it." [keyboard clicking noises] "There. I've got the program printing right now. When this batch of sperm is ready, we'll inject it into her breeding hole then drop her ass off just south of the canyon. Grab a few more, and knock them bitches up too while we're at it. Come back and check up on 'em in a couple hundred thousand years."

alien Steve- "Fucking sweet. When we get back to Glorgon 9, I'm gonna buy you a beer."

alien Frank- "Damn right you are. Now, grab your alien turkey baster thingy and let's go fill up some monkey vag."
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I think I've seen that on Skinemax late night.
 
I used to think that if extraterrestrial life was ever proven conclusively, especially intelligent and advanced life, that it would change everything for me. How could I just carry on going to work, watching TV, building shit and doing hobbies? ET would change everything!
Now I realize that it wouldn't change a thing. ET life either exists or it doesn't, whether or not I know about it.

Actually there is a possibility that one thing could change. If there was the opportunity to go and visit their world, or just anywhere else in the universe I would consider it. I'd have to be reasonably satisfied that it was safe but I think that bar would be pretty low. At this age I may be willing to risk the rest of my life for that trip.
 
Deuce 40s said:
That's not what I'm saying. Life definitely should be based on non-carbon things elsewhere. I think the only way we could theoretically be physically contacted is by aliens who aren't carbon based.

It's for that reason that they couldn't intertwine their DNA with ours. It wouldn't work.
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You need to review the improbability drive from the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy.

Infinite is infinite bro
 
Saw this episode of Twilight zone decades ago and has stuck with me more than any others

If you don't have a 5:37 attention span, skip to 4:45 for the punch line

 
Deuce 40s said:
You have made a point, but I don't see it.
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Deuce 40s said:
What a fucking maroon. Intelligent life on other planets certainly exists. In no way would their supposed "DNA" be able to mesh with ours. To travel across the galaxy to our infinitely tiny spec of a planet would mean they're not carbon based creatures. It's not possible even in theory.
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Deuce 40s said:
That's not what I'm saying. Life definitely should be based on non-carbon things elsewhere. I think the only way we could theoretically be physically contacted is by aliens who aren't carbon based.

It's for that reason that they couldn't intertwine their DNA with ours. It wouldn't work.
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You act as if life capable of traveling vast distances to our tiny speck could not be carbon based.

Humans and ants are both carbon based. We don't try to make contact with ant colonies, but are more inclined to observe and study them.

The ants may know we exist, acknowledge our presence know they're powerless to do anything to or with us, and may know that we have the means to travel much greater distances at a much higher rate than they are capable of, but in the end ants and humans are both carbon based life forms.

So capability of travel doesn't make the basis of life mutually exclusive.

Humans honestly can't comprehend the vastness of the known universe, let alone our solar system and how small we are in THAT speck of the universe.

To go along with that, we simply don't know what it would take to travel across that vastness in a manner that would allow us to do so in our lifetime.

Just as the ant couldn't possibly travel across North America in it's lifetime.

Travelling across the country is nothing for us. To an ant - even if they were capable of comprehending the vast distance - it would seem an impossible task given their capabilities and knowledge.

So...

We are the ants.

I'm definitely not saying that there's not more (and more intelligent) life out there, I'm just saying that "it cannot be carbon based" isn't backed by anything other than the limits of OUR knowledge and technology.

This is the same as scientists looking for water on other planets because "water is essential for life".

Essential for life on our planet? Yes. But to make an assumption that there has to be water on other planets for life to exist on that planet shows just how little we actually know and how we're wrong for looking for life through that perspective.

We're still finding life on Earth, in places deemed inhospitable for life to exist, that's flourishing.

Our problem is that we're looking for life in space within our concept of what is needed for life.

All while being proven wrong about where life can/cannot exist here on Earth. :homer:
 
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ProjectTwin said:
Allow me to explain. In your own words...





You act as if life capable of traveling vast distances to our tiny speck could not be carbon based.

Humans and ants are both carbon based. We don't try to make contact with ant colonies, but are more inclined to observe and study them.

The ants may know we exist, acknowledge our presence know they're powerless to do anything to or with us, and may know that we have the means to travel much greater distances at a much higher rate than they are capable of, but in the end ants and humans are both carbon based life forms.

So capability of travel doesn't make the basis of life mutually exclusive.

Humans honestly can't comprehend the vastness of the known universe, let alone our solar system and how small we are in tTHAT speck of the universe.

To go along with that, we simply don't know what it would take to travel across that vastness in a manner that would allow us to do so in our lifetime.

Just as the ant couldn't possibly travel across North America in it's lifetime.

Travelling across the country is nothing for us. To an ant - even if they were capable of comprehending the vast distance - it would seem an impossible task given their capabilities and knowledge.

So...

We are the ants.

I'm definitely not saying that there's not more (and more intelligent) life out there, I'm just saying that "it cannot be carbon based" isn't backed by anything other than the limits of OUR knowledge and technology.

This is the same as scientists looking for water on other planets because "water is essential for life".

Essential for life on our planet? Yes. But to make an assumption that there has to be water on other planets for life to exist on that planet shows just how little we actually know and how we're wrong for looking for life through that perspective.

We're still finding life on Earth, in places deemed inhospitable for life to exist, that's flourishing.

Our problem is that we're looking for life in space within our concept of what is needed for life.

All while being proven wrong about where life can/cannot exist here on Earth. :homer:
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We're just ugly bags of mostly water
 
ProjectTwin said:
Allow me to explain. In your own words...







To go along with that, we simply don't know what it would take to travel across that vastness in a manner that would allow us to do so in our lifetime.

Just as the ant couldn't possibly travel across North America in it's lifetime.

Travelling across the country is nothing for us. To an ant - even if they were capable of comprehending the vast distance - it would seem an impossible task given their capabilities and knowledge.

So...

We are the ants.
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Great analogy.
It is so easy for us to forget that in the history of mankind so many things were impossible....until they became possible.
Crossing oceans, flying like birds, going to the moon, even surviving serious injury.... All considered impossible until someone did it.
Travelling to other solar systems and galaxies is an impossible task given our current capabilities and knowledge. But we are far from done expanding our capabilities and knowledge, aren't we?
 
Fuzzydog said:
Great analogy.
It is so easy for us to forget that in the history of mankind so many things were impossible....until they became possible.
Crossing oceans, flying like birds, going to the moon, even surviving serious injury.... All considered impossible until someone did it.
Travelling to other solar systems and galaxies is an impossible task given our current capabilities and knowledge. But we are far from done expanding our capabilities and knowledge, aren't we?
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If you took someone from just a few generations ago and put them in a modern car or modern house or say Time Square just imagine what they'd be thinking. Hell, just imagine from your own lifetime. You go to sleep in the world of your 10 year old self and wake up in today's world. Fucking mind blowing technological difference. Now imagine that from say the mid-1800s. We're really only talking a few generations and the technological leap is beyond the imagination.
 
east_beast said:
If you took someone from just a few generations ago and put them in a modern car or modern house or say Time Square just imagine what they'd be thinking. Hell, just imagine from your own lifetime. You go to sleep in the world of your 10 year old self and wake up in today's world. Fucking mind blowing technological difference. Now imagine that from say the mid-1800s. We're really only talking a few generations and the technological leap is beyond the imagination.
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Go back to 1994, and hand someone a smartphone and show them how to use it. Now go back to 1884.
 
east_beast said:
If you took someone from just a few generations ago and put them in a modern car or modern house or say Time Square just imagine what they'd be thinking. Hell, just imagine from your own lifetime. You go to sleep in the world of your 10 year old self and wake up in today's world. Fucking mind blowing technological difference. Now imagine that from say the mid-1800s. We're really only talking a few generations and the technological leap is beyond the imagination.
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Tablets and smart phones only existed on start trek 20 years ago.

Hell, I used to play with my grandparents rotary phone when I was a kid.

I remember the first car phones. Cases the size of 2 bricks and a coil cord from the handset to the receiver.

You do have to wonder at what point is humanity's capacity for technological advancement outpacing its maturity to handle to technological advancement...
I give you, the internet. Coulda been a great tool to share information, grow knowledge bases, allow humans to become more self reliant...
But no, its been utilized for targeted advertising, data collection and centralization, and to permeate self destructive and enslaving pornography on the masses.

Can't wait to see the wonders AI holds!
 
ProjectTwin said:
So capability of travel doesn't make the basis of life mutually exclusive.
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I see what you're saying, but disagree. I see the inverse. The basis of (earth) life makes the capability of interstellar travel impossible. The hurdle is to both
(A) overcome is the speed of light and (B) not die of old age and decompose.

In my opinion, there may be aliens out there who have figured out the speed of light problem. They would have to live long enough in preservation to reach us, which precludes them from being based on any life forms we have on earth. Silicon maybe, or something we don't know about.
 
Deuce 40s said:
I see what you're saying, but disagree. I see the inverse. The basis of (earth) life makes the capability of interstellar travel impossible. The hurdle is to both
(A) overcome is the speed of light and (B) not die of old age and decompose.

In my opinion, there may be aliens out there who have figured out the speed of light problem. They would have to live long enough in preservation to reach us, which precludes them from being based on any life forms we have on earth. Silicon maybe, or something we don't know about.
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You're making the assumption that you have to overcome the speed of light.

The trick is to harness and travel by what we know as gravity (or) dark matter.

Accomplish that and you'll be able to warp space AND time and the speed of light is of no concern. :homer:
 
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MuntCuffin said:
Tablets and smart phones only existed on start trek 20 years ago.

Hell, I used to play with my grandparents rotary phone when I was a kid.

I remember the first car phones. Cases the size of 2 bricks and a coil cord from the handset to the receiver.

You do have to wonder at what point is humanity's capacity for technological advancement outpacing its maturity to handle to technological advancement...
I give you, the internet. Coulda been a great tool to share information, grow knowledge bases, allow humans to become more self reliant...
But no, its been utilized for targeted advertising, data collection and centralization, and to permeate self destructive and enslaving pornography on the masses.

Can't wait to see the wonders AI holds!
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Had a Casio pda running wince in like 1998 boss.
 
MuntCuffin said:
Tablets and smart phones only existed on start trek 20 years ago.

Hell, I used to play with my grandparents rotary phone when I was a kid.

I remember the first car phones. Cases the size of 2 bricks and a coil cord from the handset to the receiver.

You do have to wonder at what point is humanity's capacity for technological advancement outpacing its maturity to handle to technological advancement...
I give you, the internet. Coulda been a great tool to share information, grow knowledge bases, allow humans to become more self reliant...
But no, its been utilized for targeted advertising, data collection and centralization, and to permeate self destructive and enslaving pornography on the masses.

Can't wait to see the wonders AI holds!
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We're already there. The Internet has absolutely poured rocket fuel on our social and political division.
 
ProjectTwin said:
When was the last time you tried to make contact with an ant colony?

Both carbon based.
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I stepped on a fire ant mound the other day. They were not friendly.


Deuce 40s said:
I see what you're saying, but disagree. I see the inverse. The basis of (earth) life makes the capability of interstellar travel impossible. The hurdle is to both
(A) overcome is the speed of light and (B) not die of old age and decompose.

In my opinion, there may be aliens out there who have figured out the speed of light problem. They would have to live long enough in preservation to reach us, which precludes them from being based on any life forms we have on earth. Silicon maybe, or something we don't know about.
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You are thinking from the evolutionary point that we humans are at right now. Using the laws of physics as we understand them at the evolutionary point that we humans are at right now. In a sense, that's all we can do.

But, we can't forget that we are just infants on the scale of the universe. No doubt there were already civilizations that were around for thousands, millions, or billions of years before our solar system even formed.

It would be foolish to think that a civilization a million or billion years more advanced than us would still only have the same understanding of the laws of physics and especially quantum physics that we have.

Hell, it's only been 10 or so years that we've learned where gold comes from. We always thought all the elements came from supernova explosions. Now we know that stars can only create elements up to iron. Iron is poison to a star ( it takes more energy to create it than creating puts out) and kills the fusing of atoms, which kills the outward pressure, which allows the gravity to win the fight and boom. We now know that everything heaver than iron is created by neutron stars colliding.

The physics that a millions/billions year older civilization understands has to be mind blowing. The scientific/medical advances they would have made would be equally mind blowing.

So to me inter stellar and galactic travel at faster than light is totally possible, we just don't understand it yet. And it could be almost instantly.

The one thing I do wonder about is dinosaurs. On earth they were the dominant species for over 500 million years and would still be if it wasn't for a fluke meteorite. If they didn't get taken out, would there have been one that evolved a brain like ours? Created a society like ours? I just think dinosaurs could be the norm in early planet life forms.
 
gt1guy said:
So to me inter stellar and galactic travel at faster than light is totally possible, we just don't understand it yet. And it could be almost instantly.
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Instant travel is a warp of space and time. The speed of light wouldn't matter, but I think we'd need to master and control "gravity" - or "dark matter" depending on if you're near a planet/moon or away from it or however you want to reference it.

To the outside observer it would take light years to travel an observable distance from A to B across the universe when in reality you're bending space and time to get from A to B.

That's why thinking about interstellar travel on a linear time scale and a linear path of travel (light speed) it all seems impossible.

The reality is that if/when we accomplish something along those lines it will be faster than light speed, but if we saw it happen today it would appear to be and referenced as light speed because that's the fastest travel we know of at this point in our science. "They left at the speed of light!"

Our whole thought process is (mostly) limited to what we know.

The real problem we'll run into if/when we develop the capacity to travel like that is accounting for the movement of celestial objects from what we're observing light years away (information that reached us at the speed of light) to where those objects will be upon arrival.

After all, we saw where they were light years ago.

A few crashes into planets could occur.

Oh...wait. Wasn't someone in here making a joke in here about beings that are capable of interstellar travel crashing into a planet? :homer:
 
Quantum Physics already allows for instantaneous connections between far-apart locations. It's what Einstein called it "spooky action at a distance". This certainly didn't involve people in a ship but, just think of what can be achieved after knowing that fact for a few million years.

I believe there's a way to travel faster than light (or instantaneously) great distances with out any more time passing at the starting point. That would actually make sending out explorers useful.

It's was only 66 years from the Wright Brothers first flight to us landing on the moon. Now think about thousands or millions of years of advancements.

I also think probably 50% of all civilizations end up killing themselves and go extinct. We have yet to prove we wont.
 
SO these aliens be they mexican aliens or space aliens or even mexican space aliens are confirmed right?

That means they are Catholics?
 
gt1guy said:
Quantum Physics already allows for instantaneous connections between far-apart locations. It's what Einstein called it "spooky action at a distance". This certainly didn't involve people in a ship but, just think of what can be achieved after knowing that fact for a few million years.
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quantum entanglement
 
ProjectTwin said:
Instant travel is a warp of space and time. The speed of light wouldn't matter, but I think we'd need to master and control "gravity" - or "dark matter" depending on if you're near a planet/moon or away from it or however you want to reference it.
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Fuck that gravity drive shit. I saw Event Horizon.
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Aliens could be hive mind creatures where the individual isn’t important.
Then time wouldn’t matter for travel. Quantum entanglement as a communication system would keep them abreast of advances back home. Or perhaps they’ve evolved past having a home and are just scattering across the multiverse and stopping for supplies as needed.
 
Playing in the background. One of the first things he hits on is how the speed of light is too slow for interstellar stuff.

 
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