Aliens are confirmed?

[Yota Up]

I do have a very hard time believing that we're in some type of covert war against an alien species. It just seems to me that if they have the technology to get here then they could likely smoke us with ease if they so choose.

Not necessarily. Although, like you, I would expect any progress in technology to results in progress on many levels.

The means of propulsion do not automatically provide the means for destruction.
Likewise, the use of a wormhole doesn't provide weapons.

Consider if you went back in time to 1800 with a motorcycle. You're fast and can travel beyond them but there's no machine gun mounted on that bike.
Or that bike takes a shortcut through a tunnel. Again, point A to point B does not equal weapons.

And then there's a possibility that "they" would have no desire or use for weapons so they never even tried to pursue them.

 

[Sandy Johnson]

Not necessarily. Although, like you, I would expect any progress in technology to results in progress on many levels.

The means of propulsion do not automatically provide the means for destruction.
Likewise, the use of a wormhole doesn't provide weapons.

Consider if you went back in time to 1800 with a motorcycle. You're fast and can travel beyond them but there's no machine gun mounted on that bike.
Or that bike takes a shortcut through a tunnel. Again, point A to point B does not equal weapons.

And then there's a possibility that "they" would have no desire or use for weapons so they never even tried to pursue them.

Just me and one motorcycle? Or as many men on motorcycles as I want? There would definitely be some ass kicking happening with as many men and motorcycles as I want. I get to bring all my gas too, right? Huge ass kick-ings with my army of motorcycles and as much gasoline as I want.

 

[Roc Doc]

Just me and one motorcycle? Or as many men on motorcycles as I want? There would definitely be some ass kicking happening with as many men and motorcycles as I want. I get to bring all my gas too, right? Huge ass kick-ings with my army of motorcycles and as much gasoline as I want.

Don't forget your Mohawk and feathery vest.

 

[Firstram]

One night just right past dusk, with basically enough light to still somewhat see, but dark enough to see brighter stars in the sky in the city, facing a generally southern direction,I looked up and saw what I believe to be the remnants of a SpaceX launch boosters from earlier that day. They were a pair of brightly lit objects that gradually faded out over a few seconds and disappeared from my view. Had I not known that there'd been a launch that day, I'd have been absolutely convinced I saw a pair of UFOs flying around and ultimately disappearing into the night sky.

I live near Southport NC, our beaches face due south. I'll never forget the night I first noticed the shuttle taking off out of Florida! Late evening, with the setting sun illuminating the upper atmosphere, things look different. 100's of people used to go down to the water front to watch the evening launches and, if the light was just right, you could still see it after the SRB separation.

 

[Roc Doc]

Not necessarily. Although, like you, I would expect any progress in technology to results in progress on many levels.

The means of propulsion do not automatically provide the means for destruction.
Likewise, the use of a wormhole doesn't provide weapons.

Consider if you went back in time to 1800 with a motorcycle. You're fast and can travel beyond them but there's no machine gun mounted on that bike.
Or that bike takes a shortcut through a tunnel. Again, point A to point B does not equal weapons.

And then there's a possibility that "they" would have no desire or use for weapons so they never even tried to pursue them.

The big if as far as alien visitors goes is time. in rough numbers the Earth is about 4.5b years old, life first appeared about a billion years after that, and the first real human civilization was only 6,000 years ago, so there very well could have been visitors during that window before or after life here first emerged, but the chances that it happened only since the first civilization appeared, is vanishingly small. OR, they keep coming back, OR multiple visitors from multiple parts of the universe at multiple times. I'd love to know.

 

[Sandy Johnson]

The big if as far as alien visitors goes is time. in rough numbers the Earth is about 4.5b years old, life first appeared about a billion years after that, and the first real human civilization was only 6,000 years ago, so there very well could have been visitors during that window before or after life here first emerged, but the chances that it happened only since the first civilization appeared, is vanishingly small. OR, they keep coming back, OR multiple visitors from multiple parts of the universe at multiple times. I'd love to know.

I've heard quite a few arguments against aliens visiting us talking about how long it would take them to travel here without violating the laws of physics.. even if they could somehow pull off faster than light speeds, it's still really far. Perhaps they've been coming here all this time and the "all of a sudden" humans sprung up, and what we're seeing are those that haven't got word there are smart apes with guns and radar and missiles and nukes and stuff now. They're on their way to see some dinosaurs and... surprise! Airforce!

 

[plym49.2]

The big if as far as alien visitors goes is time. in rough numbers the Earth is about 4.5b years old, life first appeared about a billion years after that, and the first real human civilization was only 6,000 years ago, so there very well could have been visitors during that window before or after life here first emerged, but the chances that it happened only since the first civilization appeared, is vanishingly small. OR, they keep coming back, OR multiple visitors from multiple parts of the universe at multiple times. I'd love to know.

And quite possibly all of the above.

 

[45acp]

the first real human civilization was only 6,000 years ago

Nope.

 

[east_beast]

Nope.

I really do not buy their explanation of Gobekli Tepe. It predates the Agricultural Revolution as we understand it today by about 1000 years. I don't buy for a minute that it was created by wandering hunter gatherers. How? These people would be nomadic. How would they build something so large and complex as a nomadic tribe? How would skilled artisans develop in a nomadic society? Specifically skilled sculptors? When would they have the time? How would they develop this skill on a nomadic lifestyle? It doesn't make sense.

 

[Roc Doc]

Nope.

OK ballon boy, what number do you have and for whom?

 

[45acp]

OK ballon boy, what number do you have and for whom?

I don't have a real number, But Gobekli Tepe is 13,000 years old (at least) and is waaaay beyond anything the hunter/gatherers could have ever made. In the last couple years, they're finding buried cities all over south America with lidar that are way older than anything history ever told us about.

We (smart-ish people) have been here before, and were almost wiped out. Long before biblical times.

 

[Roc Doc]

I don't have a real number, But Gobekli Tepe is 13,000 years old (at least) and is waaaay beyond anything the hunter/gatherers could have ever made. In the last couple years, they're finding buried cities all over south America with lidar that are way older than anything history ever told us about.

We (smart-ish people) have been here before, and we're almost wiped out. Long before biblical times.

Maybe they'll find some stuff that predates the Inca, but even if you consider GT to be a real civilization it doesn't appear to be near the level of the Mesopotamians or Egyptians. AND, if you do say that GT is the first civilization that we know about that's still a drop in the bucket compared to the other numbers I posted.

Again, I'd love to know for sure.

 

[45acp]

Maybe they'll find some stuff that predates the Inca, but even if you consider GT to be a real civilization it doesn't appear to be near the level of the Mesopotamians or Egyptians. AND, if you do say that GT is the first civilization that we know about that's still a drop in the bucket compared to the other numbers I posted.

Again, I'd love to know for sure.

Have you watched the series Ancient Apocalypse?

FWIW I'm not a crazy person.

 

[ExWrench]

I really do not buy their explanation of Gobekli Tepe. It predates the Agricultural Revolution as we understand it today by about 1000 years. I don't buy for a minute that it was created by wandering hunter gatherers. How? These people would be nomadic. How would they build something so large and complex as a nomadic tribe? How would skilled artisans develop in a nomadic society? Specifically skilled sculptors? When would they have the time? How would they develop this skill on a nomadic lifestyle? It doesn't make sense.

Well they didn't have TV, so maybe they got bored

 

[Roc Doc]

Have you watched the series Ancient Apocalypse?

FWIW I'm not a crazy person.

No, but I will.

Oh come on now, we all know you're nuttier than a porta potty at a peanut festival.

 

[45acp]

No, but I will.

Oh come on now, we all know you're nuttier than a porta potty at a peanut festival.

I'm a conspiracy dabbler.

The twin towers were brought down by airplanes, we've been to the moon, the earth is round, covid-19 is both real AND lame, all the lizard people are really just plain old people...

... but uh... them frogs are gay and intelligent humans have been here building unexplainable amazing shit for 100k years.

 

[east_beast]

Maybe they'll find some stuff that predates the Inca, but even if you consider GT to be a real civilization it doesn't appear to be near the level of the Mesopotamians or Egyptians. AND, if you do say that GT is the first civilization that we know about that's still a drop in the bucket compared to the other numbers I posted.

Again, I'd love to know for sure.

Gobekli Tepe is just the tip of the iceberg. There are more sites around there that haven't been excavated yet. Derinkuyu is fucking insane. Literally an entire large underground city carved out of straight up rock complete with wells, ventilation shafts, etc. Their current explanation is that it was the early Christian exiles. My. Fucking. Ass. That's a far shittier and more laughable explanation than even Hunter gatherers building Gobekli Tepe.

Everywhere they look in Central and South Americca is literally littered with unexcavated ruins and they're finding entire highway systems through the Yucatan. Huge highways. There's an entire layer of completely manmade soil in the Amazon. It's an engineered non-natural soil that incredibly fertile. The natural soil isn't worth a single fuck. That's why when they do slash and burn agriculture the land is practically sterile afterwards when that topsoil washes off.

There's so much about the history of our species that we don't know.

Derinkuyu

Turkey's underground city of 20,000 people

More than 85m beneath the famous fairy chimneys of Cappadocia lies a massive subterranean city that was in near-constant use for thousands of years.

www.bbc.com

Yucatan highways

The “world’s first highway system” was designed by the ancient Maya 1,500 years ago - The Yucatan Times

Research mapped 964 ancient settlements in 417 cities in the Petén jungle; researchers called it 'the world's first system of highways or superhighways'. A "relevant" system of causeways built centuries before the Christian era was discovered along with hundreds of ancient archaeological sites...

www.theyucatantimes.com

Terra preta

The Nutrient-Rich Legacy in the Amazon’s Dark Earths - Eos

Fertile terra preta soils were created through centuries of carefully managed land use. Scientists are taking cues from these soils to better sequester carbon and improve soil for agriculture.

eos.org

LIDAR discovered ruins of ancient cities appearing to map the cosmos

Archaeologists find vast network of Amazon villages laid out like the cosmos

Laser and satellite technology revealed more than 35 villages.

www.livescience.com

 

[east_beast]

Graham Hancock's civilization reboot theory makes a helluva lot more logical sense to me than anything mainstream archaeology has cooked up. Just think about. If we destroyed modern civilization through a nuclear war or a giant meteor hit the Earth or some other civilization destroying event happened (like say the aliens zap us), who's gonna survive? It's gonna be the most primitive societies on Earth. It's gonna be the remote African tribes, the uncontacted tribes of the Amazon, maybe the Aborigines. Groups like that. There will be some stragglers of modern civilization hang on and they'd ultimately assimilate with those surviving primitive societies. They'd bring with them stories, pieces of knowledge of the wiped out civilization, etc. That's where you see the reboot. Think about our modern cities. What would be left after a few thousand years? Megalithic structures last for millennia. Our modern structures? Not a chance. They would basically be completely gone. The metal rusted away, the concrete and glass turned into gravel and sand.

Who knows how many of these reboots we may have gone through? The species and our near relatives now extinct continues to get older through fossil discoveries. There's plenty of time for it.

 

[Stuck]

And why is Bob Lazar still alive?

Because its intended nonsense to distract morons.

 

[animator]

Who knows how many of these reboots we may have gone through? The species and our near relatives now extinct continues to get older through fossil discoveries. There's plenty of time for it.

I like to entertain the theory that the reason people built things out of stone to leave behind structures for the future generations, because they’d been through numerous reboots and were tired of losing technology and essentially starting over, so they made shit that wouldn’t need to be rebuilt.

I think of the building techniques that have been lost in just the last 100 years, so to think what gets lost over a few thousand years could be pretty extensive, so make things with stone, since that seems to last.

 

[MuntCuffin]

So.........y'all think we got feds and aliens posting on ibb?


:tinfoilbodysuit:

 

[east_beast]

I like to entertain the theory that the reason people built things out of stone to leave behind structures for the future generations, because they’d been through numerous reboots and were tired of losing technology and essentially starting over, so they made shit that wouldn’t need to be rebuilt.

I think of the building techniques that have been lost in just the last 100 years, so to think what gets lost over a few thousand years could be pretty extensive, so make things with stone, since that seems to last.

My dad is a general contractor and I help him out with stuff when I have time and we're always joking about how the ancients would've fired us on day one. Here we are with our caulk and shims and bullshit and they'd see us and just be like, "Uh... yeah, y'all dumb fucks can just pack your fancy ass battery tools and GTFO."

 

[[486]]

I like to entertain the theory that the reason people built things out of stone to leave behind structures for the future generations, because they’d been through numerous reboots and were tired of losing technology and essentially starting over, so they made shit that wouldn’t need to be rebuilt.

I think of the building techniques that have been lost in just the last 100 years, so to think what gets lost over a few thousand years could be pretty extensive, so make things with stone, since that seems to last.

or that's just an example of whatever the words were

survivor bias?

 

[billdacat]

The big if as far as alien visitors goes is time. in rough numbers the Earth is about 4.5b years old, life first appeared about a billion years after that, and the first real human civilization was only 6,000 years ago, so there very well could have been visitors during that window before or after life here first emerged, but the chances that it happened only since the first civilization appeared, is vanishingly small. OR, they keep coming back, OR multiple visitors from multiple parts of the universe at multiple times. I'd love to know.

Speaking of time.... Time scale. What if an alien talked at 20 words per second, or maybe 2K words. Or one word every week or two? An alien might be 10K years old or two weeks? We are not going to be on the same biological time scale.
Earthlings started sending out radio waves circa 1900.. Nearest star is 4.3 light years away; that is 8.5 years round trip.
A smart alien is going to say; "We know there is someone else out there; but what the fuck;who cares?"

 

[Gbkeith]

So.........y'all think we got feds and aliens posting on ibb?


:tinfoilbodysuit:

Probably even some of those transformers.

 

[Roc Doc]

Speaking of time.... Time scale. What if an alien talked at 20 words per second, or maybe 2K words. Or one word every week or two? An alien might be 10K years old or two weeks? We are not going to be on the same biological time scale.
Earthlings started sending out radio waves circa 1900.. Nearest star is 4.3 light years away; that is 8.5 years round trip.
A smart alien is going to say; "We know there is someone else out there; but what the fuck;who cares?"

Not to mention they're going to get Ed Sullivan and Lucy. Not the best face of humanity.

 

[YJ4Rox]

I really do not buy their explanation of Gobekli Tepe. It predates the Agricultural Revolution as we understand it today by about 1000 years. I don't buy for a minute that it was created by wandering hunter gatherers. How? These people would be nomadic. How would they build something so large and complex as a nomadic tribe? How would skilled artisans develop in a nomadic society? Specifically skilled sculptors? When would they have the time? How would they develop this skill on a nomadic lifestyle? It doesn't make sense.

Plus how or why would a nomadic culture take the time to bury Gobekli. It wasnt buried over time by nature, it was buried on purpose.

 

[ExWrench]

Plus how or why would a nomadic culture take the time to bury Gobekli. It wasnt buried over time by nature, it was buried on purpose.

The simplest explanation for impractical behavior is religion: one group made the structures to honor a deity, another group buried it to appease a competing god.

 

[east_beast]

They had to move an absolutely stupid amount of dirt to bury that site. Just wait until they get cranking on Karahan Tepe. It's the same type of site but a LOT bigger and probably even older.

 

[blakes]

Just curious guys...what does any of this convo have to do with aliens? Or lack thereof?

Interesting stuff tho. Keep it going.