What's new
By:
Filters

Alec Baldwin Shot a Lady

ExWrench said:
:idea: so, you're saying . . . the producer is ultimately responsible for the fuckup?
Click to expand...
I still say, the guy who pulls the trigger is responsible. The only way he wouldn’t be is if there was “trickery” involved. Like she loaded obvious blanks in front of him and handed him the weapon. (Slight of hand she loaded real ammo)
 
WaterH said:
I still say, the guy who pulls the trigger is responsible. The only way he wouldn’t be is if there was “trickery” involved. Like she loaded obvious blanks in front of him and handed him the weapon. (Slight of hand she loaded real ammo)
Click to expand...
She loaded the gun with real ammo, so isn't that basically what happened?

If they were indeed firing blanks, why, and why the fuck were they firing them AT a person? Those things can fuck you up at close range. And how the fuck did a professional (tongue in cheek) armorer not notice a live round among blanks? They look totally different.

If they were using dummies, what would be the point in reloading?
 
CrustyJeep said:
She loaded the gun with real ammo, so isn't that basically what happened?
Click to expand...
No, she handed him the gun and maybe said it was cold. When someone hands me an empty gun, I check to see if it is indeed empty before pointing in an unsafe direction. If someone showed me a empty revolver and slapped it in the gun and handed it to me, I would not check because I basically checked it in their hand. If they some how we’re able to switch guns before handing it to me like a magician, I guess I could get caught. But I would not say that was my fault at that point.
 
WaterH said:
No, she handed him the gun and maybe said it was cold.
Click to expand...
Actually (IIRC), Gutierrez-Reed put it on a cart and then either she handed it to an assistant director (Halls), or that Halls picked it up off of the cart and then handed it to Baldwin (at which point he may or may not have said "Cold Gun" (depending on which affidavit you read)).

Aaron Z
 
Biden will probably appoint Alec "I didn't pull the trigger" Baldwin to run a gun safety committee.
What could possibly go wrong with a Looney Leftie handling a gun?? Oh shit it's right in the thread title.

Supposedly there is a video of Alec "I didn't pull the trigger" Baldwin on the set breaking every gun safety rule that was written. If I find it I'll update this.
 
aczlan said:
Actually (IIRC), Gutierrez-Reed put it on a cart and then either she handed it to an assistant director (Halls), or that Halls picked it up off of the cart and then handed it to Baldwin (at which point he may or may not have said "Cold Gun" (depending on which affidavit you read)).
Click to expand...
No, now he says the armorer handed it directly to AB, and also that AB was pointing the thing around demanding reload quick quick quick.
 
WaterH said:
But I would not say that was my fault at that point.
Click to expand...

I check weapons that I just watched someone else check.

You pull the trigger the result is on you. Basic rules of firearms exist for a reason.

Hell, I check my carry every morning when I put it on and every night when I take it off... and I'm the only one that touches it.
 
They should have just dubbed in the sound like they do for 19 shot revolvers.

Uncle .gov better legislate only empty guns in movies since guns can have magic triggers.:shaking:
 
NakedJeep said:
Through all of this I have never understood they needed live ammo anywhere near the set
Click to expand...
They don't and a reputable armorer wouldn't have had live ammo anywhere on set.

NakedJeep said:
and for that matter, why does Hollywood (that makes replicas of everything) even need a real gun?
Click to expand...
They want it to look real?

Aaron Z
 
NakedJeep said:
Through all of this I have never understood they needed live ammo anywhere near the set,
Click to expand...
Has never been allowed, if you had any first hand experience you would know that!
NakedJeep said:
and for that matter, why does Hollywood (that makes replicas of everything) even need a real gun?
Click to expand...
You would be surprised how many of the weapons you see are replicas or non functioning! It saves a fortune in labor by reducing the number of armorers needed on any given day.

And as Aczlan mentions, realism!
 
Firstram said:
Has never been allowed, if you had any first hand experience you would know that!

You would be surprised how many of the weapons you see are replicas or non functioning! It saves a fortune in labor by reducing the number of armorers needed on any given day.

And as Aczlan mentions, realism!
Click to expand...
yeah, cuz movie goers (of which I m not one) refuse to go to movies if they can tell there was a prop gun in play. Like all those fake blasters in Star Wars.
 
NakedJeep said:
Through all of this I have never understood they needed live ammo anywhere near the set, and for that matter, why does Hollywood (that makes replicas of everything) even need a real gun?
Click to expand...
Unions. Sometimes on set you can’t even pick stuff up and move it out of the way, they have to call in the guy who specifically does that job to do it and they pay him 4 hours for 20 minutes of work
 
Trick95 said:
I check weapons that I just watched someone else check.

You pull the trigger the result is on you. Basic rules of firearms exist for a reason.

Hell, I check my carry every morning when I put it on and every night when I take it off... and I'm the only one that touches it.
Click to expand...

But you live in the real world. These folks are always playing pretend and don’t know what is real, it’s always happy fun time.

“ how about I shoot you both?” : Alec, speaking to the directors. How many people that daily carry would say something like that?

Sounds premeditated…
 
Firstram said:
They just found the armorer guilty of involuntary manslaughter!

'Rust' armorer found guilty of involuntary manslaughter in on-set shooting
Click to expand...
TFA said:
"We're obviously disappointed in the verdict," Bowles told reporters outside the courthouse on Wednesday. "My sense was the evidence wasn't sufficient to convict and it was a lot of guesswork, a lot of speculation."
Click to expand...
What the fuck... She handed an actor a loaded gun that she herself was in charge of loading/checking/unloading. That isn't speculation. The gun had a live round in it, and it went off, killing a person. That isn't speculation.

Also,
TFA said:
Baldwin was practicing a cross-draw in a church on the set of the Western film on Oct. 21, 2021, when the Colt .45 revolver fired a live round, striking Hutchins and director Joel Souza, who suffered a non-life-threatening injury.
Click to expand...
They were practicing, not even filming (for release). Why the fuck would an armorer put ANY kind of round in the gun?
 
WaterH said:
No, she handed him the gun and maybe said it was cold. When someone hands me an empty gun, I check to see if it is indeed empty before pointing in an unsafe direction. If someone showed me a empty revolver and slapped it in the gun and handed it to me, I would not check because I basically checked it in their hand. If they some how we’re able to switch guns before handing it to me like a magician, I guess I could get caught. But I would not say that was my fault at that point.
Click to expand...

I disagree, no matter what happens or who checks it before you touch it a gun is ALWAYS loaded until you check it yourself. If you set it down and it's out of your sight or you hand it to someone, it's loaded until YOU check it.

If you don't check it, it's your responsibility for anything that happens no excuses.
 
64Trvlr said:
I disagree, no matter what happens or who checks it before you touch it a gun is ALWAYS loaded until you check it yourself. If you set it down and it's out of your sight or you hand it to someone, it's loaded until YOU check it.

If you don't check it, it's your responsibility for anything that happens no excuses.
Click to expand...
This guy gets it. I don’t mind the armorer getting charged AFTER the trigger puller gets charged.
 
Hannah cleans up pretty well.


1709777908704.jpg


20240306_182038.jpg


Might have skipped a meal or two.


1709777785357.jpg
 
WaterH said:
This guy gets it. I don’t mind the armorer getting charged AFTER the trigger puller gets charged.
Click to expand...
What you're missing is an understanding of the duties and responsibilities on that movie set.

AB is an irresponsible POS idiot for not checking the gun - but in that situation it's not a crime.​
​
The set armorer is responsible for handing the actor AB a prop, not a weapon.​
​
AB is ultimately responsible as the producer (armorer's boss) but not as the actor.​

I'm not saying what he did as a gun handler was remotely OK; just explaining what the laws are.
 
So tldr
He walked, right?:shaking:

Still NO REASON FOR HOLLIEWEIRD TO HAVE LIVE ROUNDS:flipoff::stirthepot:
 
Clb said:
Still NO REASON FOR HOLLIEWEIRD TO HAVE LIVE ROUNDS:flipoff::stirthepot:
Click to expand...
Hollywood NEVER uses live rounds. There are dummies and blanks, most blanks are 1/4 loads occasionally 1/2 . Tons of prop weapons have been modded to cycle with lightly loaded blanks. I do not miss the days of full auto mag dumps in a soundstage with full loads!
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top Back Refresh