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Alec Baldwin Shot a Lady

pretty sure there are a lot of people in jail for doing the same thing saying WTF
 
Roc Doc said:
So what did we learn here class?

Only correct answers now, no feelings.
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east_beast said:
There's fuck you money and then there's get away with killing somebody fuck you money
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300sniper said:
What’s the wording of the New Mexico law that supports that?
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I have no idea. Just like I don't know the wording of the law that states you cannot drive 200mph through NM.

Are you stating it is legal in NM to point a pistol at someone, pull the trigger, cause their death and it's cool? :confused:

NM:
30-2-3. Manslaughter.
Manslaughter is the unlawful killing of a human being without malice.
A. Voluntary manslaughter consists of manslaughter committed upon a sudden quarrel or in the heat of passion.
Whoever commits voluntary manslaughter is guilty of a third degree felony resulting in the death of a human being.
B. Involuntary manslaughter consists of manslaughter committed in the commission of an unlawful act not amounting to felony, or in the commission of a lawful act which might produce death in an unlawful manner or without due caution and circumspection.
Whoever commits involuntary manslaughter is guilty of a fourth degree felony.
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Random DDG:
Some statutes do not include the term negligent homicide while others use it interchangeably with involuntary manslaughter. In other states, laws define both crimes and make a clear distinction between the two.
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Southernfriedcj8 said:
I have no idea. Just like I don't know the wording of the law that states you cannot drive 200mph through NM.

Are you stating it is legal in NM to point a pistol at someone, pull the trigger, cause their death and it's cool? :confused:

NM:


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B. Involuntary manslaughter consists of manslaughter committed in the commission of an unlawful act not amounting to felony, or in the commission of a lawful act which might produce death in an unlawful manner or without due caution and circumspection.
Whoever commits involuntary manslaughter is guilty of a fourth degree felony.

It wouldn't be hard to convince a jury that having multiple professionals who's job it was to ensure the prop gun was safe before the actor received it was "due caution and circumspection".

So in this particular case, I do not feel it was criminal per NM law.
 
300sniper said:
B. Involuntary manslaughter consists of manslaughter committed in the commission of an unlawful act not amounting to felony, or in the commission of a lawful act which might produce death in an unlawful manner or without due caution and circumspection.
Whoever commits involuntary manslaughter is guilty of a fourth degree felony.

It wouldn't be hard to convince a jury that having multiple professionals who's job it was to ensure the prop gun was safe before the actor received it was "due caution and circumspection".

So in this particular case, I do not feel it was criminal per NM law.
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You seem to have morphed into quite the bootlicker. What the going rate these days to get someone to flip?
 
plym49.2 said:
You seem to have morphed into quite the bootlicker. What the going rate these days to get someone to flip?
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You just want to make shit up. You want to invent laws that don't exist because of you feelers. Go back to your Antifa and BLM rallies.
 
300sniper said:
You just want to make shit up. You want to invent laws that don't exist because of you feelers. Go back to your Antifa and BLM rallies.
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Really? Now which laws would those be? Tell me, as a sniper do you check your weapon before handling it, particularly in case an ND would injure or kill someone?

Or maybe you are projecting because you have empathy for the killer? Maybe because you could see yourself in his shoes?
 
plym49.2 said:
Really? Now which laws would those be? Tell me, as a sniper do you check your weapon before handling it, particularly in case an ND would injure or kill someone?

Or maybe you are projecting because you have empathy for the killer? Maybe because you could see yourself in his shoes?
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Yeah, I'm the one projecting....

Keep making shit up! :lmao:
 
plym49.2 said:
Answer the questions, Sniper. BTW, it was you who projected me at protest rallies.
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What question? What I do with a firearm is not relevant to this case.

Maybe it wasn't you that said something along the lines of "all cops should die". If it wasn't you, I apologize.
 
300sniper said:
B. Involuntary manslaughter consists of manslaughter committed in the commission of an unlawful act not amounting to felony, or in the commission of a lawful act which might produce death in an unlawful manner or without due caution and circumspection.
Whoever commits involuntary manslaughter is guilty of a fourth degree felony.

It wouldn't be hard to convince a jury that having multiple professionals who's job it was to ensure the prop gun was safe before the actor received it was "due caution and circumspection".

So in this particular case, I do not feel it was criminal per NM law.
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I disagree. It is my belief that Baldwin acted without due caution and circumspection.

He picked up a real pistol.
He pointed that pistol at another person.
He pulled the trigger.

Guilty! Next...
 
CrustyJeep said:
The trigger never mattered. There were live rounds on set and one of them made it into a gun prior to a rehearsal that didn't require rounds of any kind. That's what matters.
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Agreed, but when he continues to say he "never pulled the trigger and that the gun just went off", even after the fbi said that it couldn't have happened that way, now it matters...

Either way, none of us were there and we'll never get the real story. But seems as though, he should still be held responsible as it was his set, since he's the producer?
 
300sniper said:
What question? What I do with a firearm is not relevant to this case.

Maybe it wasn't you that said something along the lines of "all cops should die". If it wasn't you, I apologize.
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The question regarding you and the firearm was asked in the context of whether or not you feel empathy with Baldwin.

And no, I never wrote that all cops should die. That said, they are certainly huge issues with the way policing has evolved in this country over the past 40 years or so.

appreciate your response, thank you.
 
Hubbler said:
But seems as though, he should still be held responsible as it was his set, since he's the producer?
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In a perfect world, yes; but the armorer will likely take all the assrape & AB will be be belle of the ball at his next anti-gun function (before using guns to make another second-rate movie).

Armorer chick should'a refused the Producer's push for shoddy safety and hyperextended resources, but likely did not due to fear of getting fired and blackballed from the industry. The Producer was a hack and likely a bully, but was smart enough to have a fall guy (gal) in case his egregious disregard for safety led to the loss of human life.

EDIT: And the armorer was responsible for maintaining an environment in which fucktard actors like AB would not have to be responsible for the guns. AB as an actor was in a supposedly controlled environment (should've known it was not, but irrelevant legally). Sucks, but that's the black-and-white of the law as I currently understand it.
 
I hope her family takes everything he has in civil court. Just have a firearms safety expert take the stand and cover basic firearm safety and then show the video of that smug asshole saying something to the effect of "If you check every gun every time well then good for you." Put George Clooney on the stand to read eat his statement that "Yeah, I personally check every gun every time before a scene." to show this isn't some anomaly in the movie industry. Have a Brinks truck outside to haul away your settlement.
 
ExWrench said:
In a perfect world, yes; but the armorer will likely take all the assrape & AB will be be belle of the ball at his next anti-gun function (before using guns to make another second-rate movie).

Armorer chick should'a refused the Producer's push for shoddy safety and hyperextended resources, but likely did not due to fear of getting fired and blackballed from the industry. The Producer was a hack and likely a bully, but was smart enough to have a fall guy (gal) in case his egregious disregard for safety led to the loss of human life.

EDIT: And the armorer was responsible for maintaining an environment in which fucktard actors like AB would not have to be responsible for the guns. AB as an actor was in a supposedly controlled environment (should've known it was not, but irrelevant legally). Sucks, but that's the black-and-white of the law as I currently understand it.
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Armorer didn’t pull the trigger. Never assume. Especially when guns are involved.
 
plym49.2 said:
Armorer didn’t pull the trigger. Never assume. Especially when guns are involved.
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I'm not assuming shit, and never would. I'm referring to the legal responsibilities, not the personal responsibilities. That's what determines whether or not they will slap AB's peepee legalee.

Personally, I think he's to blame; however, our personal opinions don't matter for shit in a court of law. Like east_beast said, best case = he gets gutted in a civil suit.
 
ExWrench said:
I'm not assuming shit, and never would. I'm referring to the legal responsibilities, not the personal responsibilities. That's what determines whether or not they will slap AB's peepee legalee.

Personally, I think he's to blame; however, our personal opinions don't matter for shit in a court of law. Like east_beast said, best case = he gets gutted in a civil suit.
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Do you believe that his prosecution was done impartially?
 
plym49.2 said:
Do you believe that his prosecution was done impartially?
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No, but do you understand that our opinions are irrelevant vs. the applicable state laws and the legal chain of responsibility for that firearm?

As the shooter, he's off the hook. Legally speaking. Book-lurnin' type shit.
As the producer, he might be legally accountable and should be civilly accountable.

Get your feels out of this and state upon what legal grounds AB can be convicted.
That's all that fucking matters here.
Until you can do that, there's zero productive end to discussing this with you.
 
plym49.2 said:
Do you believe that his prosecution was done impartially?
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I think it was done realistically. They knew they were up against the best legal defense team money could buy so if their case wasn't absolutely rock solid and airtight they were probably just gonna end up wasting a bunch of time, money, and resources for him to just end up walking anyway. You or me would've probably ended up in jail.
 
Roc Doc said:
So what did we learn here class?

Only correct answers now, no feelings.
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Absolutely nothing we didn't already know. If you have enough money, power, or fame, you can get away with murder. But we already knew that. If the roles were reversed and the girl was the actor, baldwin on the camera, she would have gotten the death penalty. Money and fame buy leniency. That's the entire story.
 
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