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Tough to relearn in limp mode

I wouldn’t doubt Steering rack pairing issues. Loren asked me for the rack& pinion out of my bronco when they broke one of theirs in Moab. I gave it to them and when they installed it. It didn’t work. All this vin lock bull shit means every part has to be vin paired to the can-bus system.

Atteberry has the dash and pass key out of my bronco after his fire. None of it works or pairs.
 
JR4X said:
Tough to relearn in limp mode

I wouldn’t doubt Steering rack pairing issues. Loren asked me for the rack& pinion out of my bronco when they broke one of theirs in Moab. I gave it to them and when they installed it. It didn’t work. All this vin lock bull shit means every part has to be vin paired to the can-bus system.

Atteberry has the dash and pass key out of my bronco after his fire. None of it works or pairs.
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Power steering... and everything work great. Apparently the hoss3.0 racks are universal while the 2.0 racks have like 8 different non compatible programs.


I went and looked everything over again, tightened the batterey and cleaned some paint on ground points, cleaned the air filter, and chased wiring for abrasions.

Went out again and threw the wrench again, (drivetrain fault, reduced power) kept driving it and pre colision malfuntion and lane detection went haywire. Turned it off and everything went away....
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JR4X said:
Tough to relearn in limp mode

I wouldn’t doubt Steering rack pairing issues. Loren asked me for the rack& pinion out of my bronco when they broke one of theirs in Moab. I gave it to them and when they installed it. It didn’t work. All this vin lock bull shit means every part has to be vin paired to the can-bus system.

Atteberry has the dash and pass key out of my bronco after his fire. None of it works or pairs.
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It's frustrating, every time I start liking the idea of replacing the wife's F150 and out 96 4runner with a newer jeep or bronco, I read something like this and I get scurred away.
 
YotaAtieToo said:
It's frustrating, every time I start liking the idea of replacing the wife's F150 and out 96 4runner with a newer jeep or bronco, I read something like this and I get scurred away.
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Frustration is putting it mildly. I’ve mentioned it before, the backlog of warranty stuff on the ford lot is 6 weeks minimum. Last year one of our 2020 F250’s had a transmission go bad. Ford couldn’t get to it so we paid a shop to put a ford crate trans in its place. Still had to have it towed to ford where it sat for 4 weeks to get the trans paired with the truck before it would work.

The right to repair has been subverted by making stuff impossible to work on the vane of being theft proof. The rack&pinion, transmission etc have a serial number that has to be programmed into the CAN system before it will be recognized and functional. All mfg’s are like that right now, no exceptions.
 
JR4X said:
Tough to relearn in limp mode

I wouldn’t doubt Steering rack pairing issues. Loren asked me for the rack& pinion out of my bronco when they broke one of theirs in Moab. I gave it to them and when they installed it. It didn’t work. All this vin lock bull shit means every part has to be vin paired to the can-bus system.

Atteberry has the dash and pass key out of my bronco after his fire. None of it works or pairs.
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Holy shit, that's wild. Steering rack should be something every crash and dent shop should be able to replace.

Guess that is ford's way to keep the vehicle in dealer hands :shaking:
 
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2big bronco said:
Power steering... and everything work great. Apparently the hoss3.0 racks are universal while the 2.0 racks have like 8 different non compatible programs.


I went and looked everything over again, tightened the batterey and cleaned some paint on ground points, cleaned the air filter, and chased wiring for abrasions.

Went out again and threw the wrench again, (drivetrain fault, reduced power) kept driving it and pre colision malfuntion and lane detection went haywire. Turned it off and everything went away....
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Pre Collison and blind spot don't make no sense :confused: aren't those camera/bumper sensor based
 
rockota said:
Super dumb question…

But have you disconnected the battery for … 12-14 days?
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Not since the issues arised.

Maybe ill go do it right now for the night

My cousin had a thought that since the steering wheel is crooked and has a new rack that thinks shit should be centered.... that when I drive far / fast enough that the computer is seeing the wheels go the same speed but thinks they should be different based on the steering wheel not being centered. Now it hasnt beed centered in forever but maybe the old system had stuff figured out?

He also said he should have the stuff to read each wheel speed sensor individually to see whats going on
 
Maybe the collision stuff is going haywire because the computer is asking itself why it's so high off the ground? Probably not it but that sure would be some shit if it was...
 
2big bronco said:
Not since the issues arised.

Maybe ill go do it right now for the night

My cousin had a thought that since the steering wheel is crooked and has a new rack that thinks shit should be centered.... that when I drive far / fast enough that the computer is seeing the wheels go the same speed but thinks they should be different based on the steering wheel not being centered. Now it hasnt beed centered in forever but maybe the old system had stuff figured out?

He also said he should have the stuff to read each wheel speed sensor individually to see whats going on
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Took the leveling kit out of the 22 a couple weeks ago. Steering wheel is off by a tiny amount. But I’ve read that fk’s up the adaptive steering/pcm crap.

So I think your cousin is onto something
 
2big bronco said:
Not since the issues arised.

Maybe ill go do it right now for the night

My cousin had a thought that since the steering wheel is crooked and has a new rack that thinks shit should be centered.... that when I drive far / fast enough that the computer is seeing the wheels go the same speed but thinks they should be different based on the steering wheel not being centered. Now it hasnt beed centered in forever but maybe the old system had stuff figured out?

He also said he should have the stuff to read each wheel speed sensor individually to see whats going on
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That is what the yaw sensor and steering position sensor do. If they disagree, the vehicle thinks you are about to crash
 
DMG said:
That is what the yaw sensor and steering position sensor do. If they disagree, the vehicle thinks you are about to crash
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Good point, is the steering wheel straight? Dead straight?

Did the steering wheel possibly get turned a turn while the rack was out? The clock spring gets all kinds of pissed if the wheel isn’t straight with the rack.

Edit. Even a superduty does that. If the track bar gets trashed and the steering wheel is at 30° while you’re going straight it sets off the service advance trac light and the cruise control won’t work.
 
JR4X said:
Good point, is the steering wheel straight? Dead straight?

Did the steering wheel possibly get turned a turn while the rack was out? The clock spring gets all kinds of pissed if the wheel isn’t straight with the rack.

Edit. Even a superduty does that. If the track bar gets trashed and the steering wheel is at 30° while you’re going straight it sets off the service advance trac light and the cruise control won’t work.
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Steering wheel is maybe 10* to the right, same as it was before everything. When I wake up in the morning and realize unplugging the batterey overnight did nothing im going to work on trying to center the wheel.

99.9% sure the wheel didnt turn at all. I had it tied straight the whole process
 
Provience said:
Holy shit, that's wild. Steering rack should be something every crash and dent shop should be able to replace.

Guess that is ford's way to keep the vehicle in dealer hands :shaking:
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Dude........ Want to get even more perplexed

The wiper switch on our 15 F150 went out a few years ago. At the time it was kinda funny since it was stuck on the lowest setting so the wife was driving around sunny CA in August with the wipers sqeeeeeeeeeking away :laughing: the switch was cheap and I was busy with work, so I had a mechanic buddy do it and another minor thing at the same time.

I go to pick it up and he goes, "now you just need to take it to a dealer to have it flashed to the truck" :confused: the. Wiper. Switch?

Now that I think about it, I would have been really mad if it was dead of winter and ford was 3 months out they often are around here.

But, when these newer trucks work like they should, which they usually do, they really are awesome. :laughing:
 
YotaAtieToo said:
Dude........ Want to get even more perplexed

The wiper switch on our 15 F150 went out a few years ago. At the time it was kinda funny since it was stuck on the lowest setting so the wife was driving around sunny CA in August with the wipers sqeeeeeeeeeking away :laughing: the switch was cheap and I was busy with work, so I had a mechanic buddy do it and another minor thing at the same time.

I go to pick it up and he goes, "now you just need to take it to a dealer to have it flashed to the truck" :confused: the. Wiper. Switch?

Now that I think about it, I would have been really mad if it was dead of winter and ford was 3 months out they often are around here.

But, when these newer trucks work like they should, which they usually do, they really are awesome. :laughing:
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2015 they were doing that? Holy hell. That's nuts, good candidate for the old vacuum wiper modules mounted on the windshield:laughing:
 
Provience said:
2015 they were doing that? Holy hell. That's nuts, good candidate for the old vacuum wiper modules mounted on the windshield:laughing:
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Thats probably a little far in the opposite direction :laughing:

I remember riding in my step dad's 59 chevy apache with vacuum wipers. Worked good at idle, then as you got on it, they slowed down to a crawl, then got a burst of speed with the dropped rpms as you shifted :lmao:
 
YotaAtieToo said:
But, when these newer trucks work like they should, which they usually do, they really are awesome. :laughing:
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No. They really aren't. What you get over an old truck is power, larger components and NVH improvements.

Headlights with five modes, adaptive cruise, lane keeping assist, fancy HVAC where you set the temp instead of the outputs, all that other shit is a straight nuisance.
 
JR4X said:
The right to repair has been subverted by making stuff impossible to work on the vane of being theft proof. The rack&pinion, transmission etc have a serial number that has to be programmed into the CAN system before it will be recognized and functional. All mfg’s are like that right now, no exceptions.
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You can get an FRDS license to program the parts yourself, which is how they aren't violating right to repair laws, but yes, it is stupid and needlessly complicated.

Snacktime could potentially shed some light on all this if he logs back into Irate again. There is a pretty good thread on Bronco6G about programming the 3.0 racks and installing them in other Broncos. I believe some of the pioneers in that thread actually consulted with 74 Weld to help them get their racks set up to be a bolt-in installation.
 
I wonder if the paid version of Forscan would do anything for this issue. It is pretty impressive on my 18 F150
 
arse_sidewards said:
No. They really aren't. What you get over an old truck is power, larger components and NVH improvements.

Headlights with five modes, adaptive cruise, lane keeping assist, fancy HVAC where you set the temp instead of the outputs, all that other shit is a straight nuisance.
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NVH was really starting to be annoying in my 05 Dodge though. The more I loaded it up, the more the engine/exh or whatever went into resonance right @ 18-1900 RPM, which was 69-71 MPH. It didn't do that new. It was getting really annoying having to tow either 65 or 75, but never in between.
I didn't get all the "upgrades", but I'm sure even an XLT 250 has 30 or so "modules". At least this thing I can leave stock for drivetrain/susp/tire mods.
New Bronc I would have had it modded to death.
 
did you re-enter the radio code? it's as likely to be tied to the steering rack as anything else :shaking:

kidding aside, it looks awesome on the portals. Hope you find its just a sensor needing re-cal and not something more of a PITA
 
7-1/2 miles too trip the 2nd time. Whatever ai did to the steering seems to be improving time till tripping pretty drastically..... I think

Edit: maybe not, 3.5 miles this time. It seems directly related to higher speeds... possibly over 45-50. Doesnt seem to trip on back roads
 
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You have 2 things you can check. Need to plug into FDRS or Forscan or ProCal(has some of the stuff) to pull codes.

1) Abs sensors
2) Bleed the brakes again

Pull and clean the abs sensors, pretty common issue even in stock Broncos.

2nd option is what has kept Wild Horses portal bronco down now for months. Failed brake bleed! You have to use FDRS to bleed the brakes on a 2.7 electric assist system, or you get issues.


This is the cheapest connector that works with FDRS and it's awful but works...
VXDIAG VCX Nano Compatible for Ford/Mazda 2 in 1 Diagnostic and Programming Tool Amazon.com
 
Snacktime said:
You have 2 things you can check. Need to plug into FDRS or Forscan or ProCal(has some of the stuff) to pull codes.

1) Abs sensors
2) Bleed the brakes again

Pull and clean the abs sensors, pretty common issue even in stock Broncos.

2nd option is what has kept Wild Horses portal bronco down now for months. Failed brake bleed! You have to use FDRS to bleed the brakes on a 2.7 electric assist system, or you get issues.


This is the cheapest connector that works with FDRS and it's awful but works...
VXDIAG VCX Nano Compatible for Ford/Mazda 2 in 1 Diagnostic and Programming Tool Amazon.com
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Thanks for the info
I have the 2.3 with vacuum brakes....
 
Provience said:
are you able to reach hwy speeds during that time as well, or is it still just slow distance improving?
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Not really sure. I live 2 miles off the highway... and its only ever happened on the highway or faster pased 2 lane roads where I was able to hit at least 50. It doesnt come on right at 50 or necessarily during spirited driving. It seems to happen when Im just cruising along
 
2big bronco said:
Not really sure. I live 2 miles off the highway... and its only ever happened on the highway or faster pased 2 lane roads where I was able to hit at least 50. It doesnt come on right at 50 or necessarily during spirited driving. It seems to happen when Im just cruising along
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Pull the code! You might be getting a wheel speed error for the portals?
 
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