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2bbs 2021 bronco build

YotaAtieToo said:
I've been out there a few times and it's super confusing. There is LOTS of roads to get lost on. From what I hear, you can make your way over and down to downieville or Sierra city.
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Not in a vehicle… directly. Single track, tons of options
 
SLOWPOKE693 said:
Do they have the ABS/stability control thing figured out yet? Ive heard that a couple of those solid axle Bronco's are all looks and no go because they cant defeat the computer system to keep them out of limp mode.
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I still don't see why this is a big deal. Transplant whatever sensors you need from the IFS to the solid axle and make up whatever tone rings it takes to do it.
 
arse_sidewards said:
I still don't see why this is a big deal. Transplant whatever sensors you need from the IFS to the solid axle and make up whatever tone rings it takes to do it.
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If it was easy everyone would be doing it.
If it was profitable everyone would be selling it.
If it was affordable everyone would be buying it.


There must be a reason switching from IFS to a solid axle on a vehicle made after 2020 is not easy.
 
Picture curtosy of Harry Johnson from yesterday's wheeling session
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RunningProblem said:
If it was easy everyone would be doing it.
If it was profitable everyone would be selling it.
If it was affordable everyone would be buying it.


There must be a reason switching from IFS to a solid axle on a vehicle made after 2020 is not easy.
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Reluctor rings and there pickups are picky about things like tooth count and spacing.
 
2big bronco said:
Spicer has an ultimate 44 ifs section (not sure what the upgrade is) and a semi float rear 60
spicerparts.com

The Ultimate Dana 60® Semi-Float Axle for Ford® Bronco® is a direct-fit solution that’s built for superior strength.

With the Ultimate Dana 60® Semi-Float Axle, you get all the benefits of the celebrated Ultimate Dana 60® axle—like Spicer® chromoly steel axle shafts, a nodular iron diff cover, and more—while reusing your wheels.
spicerparts.com spicerparts.com
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Fuck all that, just wait for the 74weld bolt on portal kit :flipoff2:
 
arse_sidewards said:
I still don't see why this is a big deal. Transplant whatever sensors you need from the IFS to the solid axle and make up whatever tone rings it takes to do it.
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Have you ever tried to actually do that ?
It's a little more complicated than it sounds.
 
YotaAtieToo said:
Fuck all that, just wait for the 74weld bolt on portal kit :flipoff2:
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Weld 74s are 20k for just the front.

These are 16k for all 4 and work with all the stock parts... however they look like we made them on the garge floor. Not horrible, but not all refined and shit


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2big bronco said:
Weld 74s are 20k for just the front.

These are 16k for all 4 and work with all the stock parts... however they look like we made them on the garge floor. Not horrible, but not all refined and shit


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Interesting, but I have a problem with a company that won’t tell you where they are.
 
DMG said:
That is way the fuck harder than you think.
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It's a lot of work but it's not hard work. We're talking a tone ring for each wheel, maybe a 3rd for the diff "because reasons" and maybe two actuators of some sort.

I think the reason it hasn't been done is because the demographics that hack shit up to modify mostly can't afford Broncos and if they can they don't want to tear into them.

Once one person does it everyone will copy them and it will be easy.

Bebop said:
Have you ever tried to actually do that ?
It's a little more complicated than it sounds.
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In college my buddies and I ran 4cyl snowmobile engine on CNG using an ecotec(? IDK, it was some sort of GM) ECU and harness by doing exactly that.

All the hand-wavey engineering bullshit we had to do to check the various boxes of the various classes we were trying to get credit for was far harder than the actual "do it" portion of a project.

For the crank and cam tone rings we literally just scaled the OEM ones in/out to our diameters.

DMG said:
Reluctor rings and there pickups are picky about things like tooth count and spacing.
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Sure you can't just replace a 36t tone ring with a 36t chain sprocket but it's not like the info you need to do it right isn't a Google search away.
 
arse_sidewards said:
In college my buddies and I ran 4cyl snowmobile engine on CNG using an ecotec(? IDK, it was some sort of GM) ECU and harness by doing exactly that.

All the hand-wavey engineering bullshit we had to do to check the various boxes of the various classes we were trying to get credit for was far harder than the actual "do it" portion of a project.

For the crank and cam tone rings we literally just scaled the OEM ones in/out to our diameters.
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Have you tried to change a tone ring in a Dana 60 unit bearing ? Or whatever other front axle you suggest they're using ?

PS : It can be done, and has been done. It's very far from being simple is what I'm saying.
 
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Bebop said:
Have you tried to change a tone ring in a Dana 60 unit bearing ? Or whatever other front axle you suggest they're using ?

PS : It can be done, and has been done. It's very far from being simple is what I'm saying.
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Artec makes a new tone rings and the tools for the JK crowd to do it.

Point is it's a "known known". There's nothing stopping somebody from using that approach but with different tone rings to match the Bronco application.

This isn't rocket science. Stop trying to make it hard. Each and every one of the problems here has been solved before. The only reason it's not all cookie cutter "buy a kit" type stuff like it is for JKs is simple supply and demand plus time.
 
arse_sidewards said:
Artec makes a new tone rings and the tools for the JK crowd to do it.
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They don't anymore.
Had tons of issues with their supplier.

I know what I'm talking about, I've been down this road.
 
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Dirtyjed said:
Look up Del Fab Bronco.
Solid axle that rips.
I've heard rumors Spicer or Currie is making crate axles, so I should probably start stacking ot
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Added a solid axle and full hydro steering is easy, I am waiting for someone to add the solid axle with a steering box and not lighting up the dash with all the warnings.
 
2big bronco said:
Spicer has an ultimate 44 ifs section (not sure what the upgrade is) and a semi float rear 60
spicerparts.com

The Ultimate Dana 60® Semi-Float Axle for Ford® Bronco® is a direct-fit solution that’s built for superior strength.

With the Ultimate Dana 60® Semi-Float Axle, you get all the benefits of the celebrated Ultimate Dana 60® axle—like Spicer® chromoly steel axle shafts, a nodular iron diff cover, and more—while reusing your wheels.
spicerparts.com spicerparts.com
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I've asked our Dana rep to see if they can get us a list of differences between the Ultimate 44 IFS and the standard 44 in the Sasq and up models. The only thing different I see listed is the housing is cast-iron, iirc the OE 44 section is aluminum, but it's been awhile, maybe I'm not remembering right.

For the JL/JTs, the aftermarket Ultimate Dana 44 live axles gets thicker tubes, thicker brackets, not FAD, cromo axle shafts, bigger yokes etc. It'll be interesting to see what (if anything) they've upgraded over the OE Bronco 44 IFS section.




2big bronco said:
Picture curtosy of Harry Johnson from yesterday's wheeling session
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Looking good 2BB!
 
2big bronco said:
Weld 74s are 20k for just the front.

These are 16k for all 4 and work with all the stock parts... however they look like we made them on the garge floor. Not horrible, but not all refined and shit


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Portal gearboxes for Ford Bronco 2021 — Products and parts for jeeps ✅ Prices from the manufacturer ✅ A wide range of wheel gears and disks ✅ Quality assurance for each client ➨ Read more
werewolftech.com werewolftech.com
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I so want these.....
 
Tech Tim said:
I've asked our Dana rep to see if they can get us a list of differences between the Ultimate 44 IFS and the standard 44 in the Sasq and up models. The only thing different I see listed is the housing is cast-iron, iirc the OE 44 section is aluminum, but it's been awhile, maybe I'm not remembering right.

For the JL/JTs, the aftermarket Ultimate Dana 44 live axles gets thicker tubes, thicker brackets, not FAD, cromo axle shafts, bigger yokes etc. It'll be interesting to see what (if anything) they've upgraded over the OE Bronco 44 IFS section.






Looking good 2BB!
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My center section is already cast. Im not posative about the long side tube though.

I did figure out that the ultimate has 32 spline side gears as opposed to 29 spline... which means for now you have to buy thier shafts.
 
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