Panzers: I break rocks thread

My electrician buddy that I work part time for is 3rd generation, his dad and grandfather would do stuff like that. His mission now is just to get rid of as much of it as he can.

Need a SquareD 15 amp breaker, 50 ft of 14/2 and a basic receptacle for a job, that's a home depot run. Need a Zinsco, Challenger, Pushmatic, or Cutler-Hammer (and yes even FPE) 20 amp breaker for a 1970s/80s panel and a run of 12/2 date coded from 30 years ago, got that on the shelf. Probably have enough barrel crimps and insulinks to upgrade the entire neighborhood to 200a service.
what do you mean 50a single pole stab-lok breakers will just sit on the shelf?
 
what do you mean 50a single pole stab-lok breakers will just sit on the shelf?

He probably does, to be honest.

Makes for an easy day if we're just doing a single circuit or troubleshooting vs a panel change, which yes always recommended, no not always taken up on.
 
vulcanizing rubber to steel?
ThePanzerFuhrer - here's the adhesive Western Mining Services used to bond new rubber into a big vibe deburring tub for us:

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I think WMS is a division of Rema Tip Top, but those^ are the products they used & the rubber's stayed stuck.

RemaTipTop link for reference: Home

Hope that helps.
 
I was at the counter waiting on my order, got to talking to the guy next to me who mentioned he had a bunch of Zinscoe breakers from an old apartment complex he had remodeled. Wouldn't you know it 6 months later I needed a 100 amp two pole for a mobile home. The biggest he had was a 90 amp that I was able to talk the inspector into accepting.
 
I've got a panel full of bulldog pushmatics I've been meaning to list on ebay
they're probably ******ed money, three of them are double pole and one of them is a "four breakers in the space of two" one

ETA: somehow they're still in production and you can even get GFCI ones for a hundred bucks apiece
used ones ain't worth shipping, so I guess they're trash when I finally see where I put them lol
 
I was at the counter waiting on my order, got to talking to the guy next to me who mentioned he had a bunch of Zinscoe breakers from an old apartment complex he had remodeled. Wouldn't you know it 6 months later I needed a 100 amp two pole for a mobile home. The biggest he had was a 90 amp that I was able to talk the inspector into accepting.
You can buy new ones on Amazon. They are knock offs. But I've used a bunch of em in my park. I'm replacing all the pedestals now to get away from them.
 
I've got a panel full of bulldog pushmatics I've been meaning to list on ebay
they're probably ******ed money, three of them are double pole and one of them is a "four breakers in the space of two" one

ETA: somehow they're still in production and you can even get GFCI ones for a hundred bucks apiece
used ones ain't worth shipping, so I guess they're trash when I finally see where I put them lol

Whenever we do a panel upgrade the old breakers get harvested into a 5 gallon bucket and sorted. I understand it, he has zero interest in keeping modern stuff in his shed, but likes having all the oddball things readily available. We do mostly residential work on homes in an area where a ton of the houses were a company town so all built the same and have the same problems and upgrades.

(Because you're a nerd, Sayreville NJ, Sayre brick company, DuPont, Hercules, National, the whole area turned into a superfund site which is turned into a Bass Pro Shops now but the surrounding suburban area is all old factory housing. Whenever we have to dig we usually find Sayre bricks that go for ok money to somebody trying to restore an old spot or build a retro storefront)
 
I’m they were big money during Covid when no one could get anything without it being year or more lead time.
They had tons of stuff. They didn’t really raise the prices until they restocked and that was on the manufactures end. Pretty honest place that’s why it’s sad to see them go.

I was taking a picture of the sign on the door and proceeded to get flipped off by one of the counter guys who was helping to clean the show room out. That’s when you know it was a good place to do business. :lmao:

Still sad about it a day later ;(. Of course I now need an old 200 amp breaker Eaton breaker for the complex. They would have had one on the shelf. Went to the place that bought them out, I can get it here Monday…. Stupid.


I need to get some block off plates welded on this panel. Panel has to be pushing 50-60 years old by now.
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When I was still contracting really old odd breakers I could find at "Samon's", or some of the older companys like above would let it be known they had parts they had been hoarding for years
 
time to buy up their whole stock for pennies on the dollar at auction
and then proceed to use approximately 10% in value of what you paid for it over the next twenty years
If he's paying even 50% of retail I bet he's in the black in not very long. The bigger the lots the cheaper **** goes at auction. I'm surprised he doesn't buy more **** at auction. Just check bidspotter once a week to see what's local.

All that steel I dragged home yesterday will pay for itself when I use up two sticks.
 
They had tons of stuff. They didn’t really raise the prices until they restocked and that was on the manufactures end. Pretty honest place that’s why it’s sad to see them go.

I was taking a picture of the sign on the door and proceeded to get flipped off by one of the counter guys who was helping to clean the show room out. That’s when you know it was a good place to do business. :lmao:

Still sad about it a day later ;(. Of course I now need an old 200 amp breaker Eaton breaker for the complex. They would have had one on the shelf. Went to the place that bought them out, I can get it here Monday…. Stupid.


I need to get some block off plates welded on this panel. Panel has to be pushing 50-60 years old by now.
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Are you Amish??


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I was at the counter waiting on my order, got to talking to the guy next to me who mentioned he had a bunch of Zinscoe breakers from an old apartment complex he had remodeled. Wouldn't you know it 6 months later I needed a 100 amp two pole for a mobile home. The biggest he had was a 90 amp that I was able to talk the inspector into accepting.
Inspector won't pass a zinsco here, replace only.
 
They had tons of stuff. They didn’t really raise the prices until they restocked and that was on the manufactures end. Pretty honest place that’s why it’s sad to see them go.

I was taking a picture of the sign on the door and proceeded to get flipped off by one of the counter guys who was helping to clean the show room out. That’s when you know it was a good place to do business. :lmao:

Still sad about it a day later ;(. Of course I now need an old 200 amp breaker Eaton breaker for the complex. They would have had one on the shelf. Went to the place that bought them out, I can get it here Monday…. Stupid.


I need to get some block off plates welded on this panel. Panel has to be pushing 50-60 years old by now.
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I have a place like that here. It's a scrap yard that dabbles in surplus on the side. They have about 10k sf of an old warehouse with shelves full of breakers, contactors, ect. And then rows of bins of the stuff they haven't sorted yet that you can usually pick through and get for next to nothing. When I was building my rotary phase converter panels I got almost everything there for about 1/4 cost of new.
 
Inspector won't pass a zinsco here, replace only.
I'm sure the inspector would have prefered that, but it was an old mobile home park in the early 2000s. I wasn't replacing power pedestal, on a job I was doing for a friend's ungrateful in laws. I charged them my cost on materials, and gave them a break on time. They still complained, then 6 months later moved back to New Jersey.
 
Whenever we do a panel upgrade the old breakers get harvested into a 5 gallon bucket and sorted. I understand it, he has zero interest in keeping modern stuff in his shed, but likes having all the oddball things readily available. We do mostly residential work on homes in an area where a ton of the houses were a company town so all built the same and have the same problems and upgrades.

(Because you're a nerd, Sayreville NJ, Sayre brick company, DuPont, Hercules, National, the whole area turned into a superfund site which is turned into a Bass Pro Shops now but the surrounding suburban area is all old factory housing. Whenever we have to dig we usually find Sayre bricks that go for ok money to somebody trying to restore an old spot or build a retro storefront)
"good money" for bricks is what, like a quarter apiece?
 
wtf 800a worth of breakers in one normal looking panel what are the busbars like, 1/2" thick bar stock or what rofl
lol it is a 400 amp service. All the buildings have there own 200 amp breaker. The cold storage buildings is just some lights the scale house and the fuel shed on it. If it draws 15-20 amps at most that’s it. It has big breakers because they do have a big 220 plugs around incase we need to roll a welder over. It’s been that way for the last 30 years lol. I can say I never popped a 200amp breaker. Nor have I popped the 400 amp main.
 
Keep in mind though asking price on etsy/ebay/whatever doesn't mean people actually buy it for that. Or if they do it's more than once in a blue moon.
Commodity item, only worth more than a buck today if some buyer's emotions say it is.

"John Muir wiped his ass with that pine cone:bounce2:- OMG, I hope I win the auction" :laughing:
 
1 Yard or 1.4 tons of 3/4 minus aggregate with fines (not basalt) ran me $66.03 last weekend.

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Loaded in my truck.
Was just talking to my buddy another gravel pit guy about this over the weekend. They probably have 2 price lists. One wholesale and one retail.

He was asking how I charge the guys like you when they only get a ton or two of gravel at a time. He was charging them his wholesale rate so it was like less than $15 a load. Told him screw that. I have a minimum small trailer $40 big trailer $50-60 depending on what they get. It costs me $20 between labor and lost productivity to load them up. Especially when it takes 10+ mins to load because they don’t know where to go, Parking stupidly, getting out to put tarps down etc.

He thought his customers would get pissed if he added a $40 loader fee. He was thinking of doing a minimum fee like I do.
 
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