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Who's who for axle shafts?

Another American company that makes good shafts. Mark Williams. They won’t make front shafts for you, they don’t do u-joint shafts. Semi float or double spline though. They do everything in house including heat treat. Turn around time is fast, also they sell billet yokes for most axles that are best I’ve seen.
 
MW is great.
I have a set of their shafts on my bench right now and the machining is really nice.

Does anyone know how close to another machined feature (of larger diameter) these aftermarket guys can generally cut a spline?
You can find 2.375" axles fairly easy.
 
What's your opinion on thier standard (non legacy) axle shafts vs dutchman? They're both very close in price for a set of front axle shafts.

FYI they use Yukon for their 4340 forged shafts. I ordered a couple machined for 50* a few months ago. I wish I could afford Legacy shafts.

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Bumping this back as I am on the fence about ordering new shafts. Main question is, is anybody seeing 35 spline 300m legacy shafts break? If you were breaking regular forged shafts, did the legacy shafts fix that problem entirely?
 
I ordered a set of Domestic 4340 Dutchmans last week. I will post pics when i receive them. I have ECGS/Yukons ready to go in another 60 so i can get side by side pics.
Thats what I was running and broke a stub. But it had a pretty rough 16 months before it broke. Got another one to replace it for time being and the machining is wack on the stub. U joint would not seat for the final snap ring. Ended up having to grind on the ears to make it fit. I emailed TJ about it but never heard back. They are definitely a step above yukons or any other generic forged shaft out there but I believe that the legacy shafts are going to be the final answer.
 
im hoping the Dutchmans are good. They are going in my new 4cyl buggy build.
The ecgs/Yuk are going in my current rig. Superjoints in the ecgs and oversons in the Dutchmans if Overson ever restocks. I ordered those in Nov.
 
Here are some pics of the Dutchman’s and the ecgs.
 

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Bumping this back as I am on the fence about ordering new shafts. Main question is, is anybody seeing 35 spline 300m legacy shafts break? If you were breaking regular forged shafts, did the legacy shafts fix that problem entirely?
Got a guy up here in MN that was regularly breaking Branik shafts, though I'm not positive they were legacy just that they were the "good" shafts, switched to RCV, broke them often enough they voided his warranty. Got with Ouverson and can't break em.
 
If they weren't Legacy shafts they are just Yukons. AFAIK they sell Yukons, 4340 Legacy and 300m Legacy.
 
Was probably 10 years ago with the Branik shafts. He's been running Ouverson stuff for probably 6 years now...
 
Was probably 10 years ago with the Branik shafts. He's been running Ouverson stuff for probably 6 years now...
If they were legacy shafts, its a good possibility that it was before they were dialed in. I ran into the branik crew prolly 5 years ago and they were testing the latest legacy shafts at that point before release.
 
Damn those dutchmans are sweet.... may need to buy some for my kingpin 60...seems a fair price
Since my ouverson ujoints may never show up I installed the Yukon joints in the dutchman shafts. They assembled well. One ear on an inner was a little tight but overall it was pretty painless. Zero issues installing in the axle as one would expect. ECGS slugs fit the stubs and the solid ind hubs perfect. I feel like assembly can be hit or miss with so many aftermarket parts.
 
Since my ouverson ujoints may never show up I installed the Yukon joints in the dutchman shafts. They assembled well. One ear on an inner was a little tight but overall it was pretty painless. Zero issues installing in the axle as one would expect. ECGS slugs fit the stubs and the solid ind hubs perfect. I feel like assembly can be hit or miss with so many aftermarket parts.
I have yukon joints as well waiting for me to buy my shafts....cool
 
Another American company that makes good shafts. Mark Williams. They won’t make front shafts for you, they don’t do u-joint shafts. Semi float or double spline though. They do everything in house including heat treat. Turn around time is fast, also they sell billet yokes for most axles that are best I’ve seen.
I just did a MW EZ Align kit. They had my kit made in a little over two weeks. Packing was very tidy, fit and finish of the parts was extremely high quality.

I wouldn't hesitate to order from MW. I also just had Moser respline an inner shaft for me that needed to be shortened. Turnaround was very fast, price was good, fit was great.

Both these companies were great to deal with. Not sure what Moser carries for what you are doing though.
 
Since my ouverson ujoints may never show up I installed the Yukon joints in the dutchman shafts. They assembled well. One ear on an inner was a little tight but overall it was pretty painless. Zero issues installing in the axle as one would expect. ECGS slugs fit the stubs and the solid ind hubs perfect. I feel like assembly can be hit or miss with so many aftermarket parts.
I had originally ordered Overson joints but they reached out and said they were out of stock for awhile and offered to refund my money. I took the refund and ordered CTMs instead. Seems I made the right decision.
 
I just ordered Yukon Super joints.

I have a set of USA standard chromoly shafts in the box for a Chevy Dana 60 that will be going in my front end.

I have a hard time believing the USA standard stuff isn’t basically the same as Yukon. Maybe it’s my justification but I’ll report back in the future
 
From what I've always understood and seen in the gear thread USA standard is Yukon that didn't quite meet the requirements to be Yukon.
 
From what I've always understood and seen in the gear thread USA standard is Yukon that didn't quite meet the requirements to be Yukon.
Ive heard the same for gears. From what I understand the strength is the same but they may be more noisy.

I am not sure if there is a strength loss on the shafts between Yukon and USA standard or it’s just a “finish”
 
Okay 4340 Legacy VS. 300m, cost VS. strength? The difference in price is pretty big especially on outers since I have a KP axle. I can't fit 40spline inners and it's pretty salty to do 40spline outers. Worth getting 300m inners since they are only $200 more a pop? I'm done buying who evers off the shelf shafts and having them machined only to break ever inner the same way.

Where are the material geeks at, break it down for me:homer:
 
what vehicle, weight, use, tire size is it going into ?
How retarded is the driver ?

Seems like you break 35sp chromo shafts already, right?
 
Okay 4340 Legacy VS. 300m, cost VS. strength? The difference in price is pretty big especially on outers since I have a KP axle. I can't fit 40spline inners and it's pretty salty to do 40spline outers. Worth getting 300m inners since they are only $200 more a pop? I'm done buying who evers off the shelf shafts and having them machined only to break ever inner the same way.

Where are the material geeks at, break it down for me:homer:
Look at all the ultra 4 guys running 1480 300m spidertrax/branik stuff. Add in a good joints and its a pretty legit setup.Those guys beat the snot out of those parts.
 
now this is not a ground breaking chart but i had no idea there was this much strength loss at 40 deg. this is off the crawlpedia site. again not ground breaking news. but i did have a wow moment and get why RCV is a better alt at angles.

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Okay 4340 Legacy VS. 300m, cost VS. strength? The difference in price is pretty big especially on outers since I have a KP axle. I can't fit 40spline inners and it's pretty salty to do 40spline outers. Worth getting 300m inners since they are only $200 more a pop? I'm done buying who evers off the shelf shafts and having them machined only to break ever inner the same way.

Where are the material geeks at, break it down for me:homer:
300m. Best I can remember when talking with Branik, Stan told me their 4340 shaft is around 35% stronger than a standard yukon and 300m was basically 100% stronger than a yukon. I went to a 40 spline stub but left the inner 35 spline legacy 300m. Ive straight beat my shit on multiple occasions since install to the point that I would have quit and backed off when I was running dutchman shafts. These legacy shafts keep asking for more. I have basically zero concerns about them but I am still somewhat reasonable most the time. Im not treating them like big bell rcv guys do all the time either though. It is 100% worth the money. And the good thing about money is it's a renewable resource every two weeks :lmao:
 
Okay 4340 Legacy VS. 300m, cost VS. strength? The difference in price is pretty big especially on outers since I have a KP axle. I can't fit 40spline inners and it's pretty salty to do 40spline outers. Worth getting 300m inners since they are only $200 more a pop? I'm done buying who evers off the shelf shafts and having them machined only to break ever inner the same way.

Where are the material geeks at, break it down for me:homer:
Also, since we are social media friends, you can search my name in rock buggies FB group for posts. Ive asked about material differences multiple times on there with some really good feedback but some are conflicting. At the end of the day, I trusted Braniks opinion.
 
300m. Best I can remember when talking with Branik, Stan told me their 4340 shaft is around 35% stronger than a standard yukon and 300m was basically 100% stronger than a yukon. I went to a 40 spline stub but left the inner 35 spline legacy 300m. Ive straight beat my shit on multiple occasions since install to the point that I would have quit and backed off when I was running dutchman shafts. These legacy shafts keep asking for more. I have basically zero concerns about them but I am still somewhat reasonable most the time. Im not treating them like big bell rcv guys do all the time either though. It is 100% worth the money. And the good thing about money is it's a renewable resource every two weeks :lmao:

I'm pretty sure the yoke fails causing the break on the inner. I'm not sold on the inner shaft portion failing. I'll have to find time to talk to them. I've seen you beat down on your rig which is heavier and at least double the power before. I'm kinda like "well if they sre holding for him" lol
 

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