Amateur, got room for another row up top.
Yesterday looked about the same except with 14 bales instead of 12, another 3k right at the front of the trailer. I misjudged how heavy the hay was.
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Wth kind of front axle and tires do you have that handle that kind of steer axle weight. Im guessing you bypass the scale that say rvs must stop.
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Have you got 445’s on the steer axle?
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Concrete truck axle.
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He's figuring out the limits of 11R22.5 so you don't have to guess.
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Dumb question I never had to deal with because I never had a trailer. Vehicle gvwr is 19,500, gcvwr is 30,000. Registration for 26k.
If the truck is loaded to 20k, and towing a 5k trailer. Combined is 25k and fine, but if I take the trailer off im overweight? Consider all axles are still under their weight ratings. Do they still consider the trucks weight separate?
If the truck is loaded to 20k, and towing a 5k trailer. Combined is 25k and fine, but if I take the trailer off im overweight? Consider all axles are still under their weight ratings. Do they still consider the trucks weight separate?
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Commerical or residential?
My first cross country u haul I ran through the commercial scales because the sign said to, I was a few thousand pounds over weight for the truck and a class c license.
Gal inside said "oh, private move? Okay, don't do it again" or some such and I stopped stopping at the scales.
Commercial use, you are good for your license but the truck is over rating and you can get a fine and stuck on side of road until weight is brought to legal levels
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Personal.
Hauling skid steer on the back of the truck with some tools, and towing a camper behind. Ill be under the gcvw of 30k but over the 19.5k gvw on the truck. Combo loaded is under 26k. Truck axle weight ratings on the sticker im well under. 8k front 15k rear axle ratings but its gvwr is only 19.5k.
Probably best to just remove badging and stickers.
New york to Florida so lots of scales.
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Empty weight of my f2****ty work truck and 14k dump trailer, and loaded weight. Lol had to bring a load of rock home from work for a camper parking pad.
Lol a little overweight.
Lol a little overweight.
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It varies by state, I know GA wants everything over 10k to cross the scale.
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So far as I've been able to gather they don't enforce GCW since you gotta look it up and it's dependent upon equipment that could be changed.
I think the 19.5k sticker is gonna be your problem, but I think removing it might cause more problems. Is there any way you can position the skid on the trailer so that you can slide it back to get everything under weight if you need to? Can always move it forward at the next rest stop to make the combo handle good again.
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Skid steer is on the truck. If I had it on a trailer id be fine. Trailer in this case is a camper.
Gcvw is 30k
Gvw is 19.5k
I guess what im getting at is are they going to look a gcvw and say ok, its under the stickers gcvw of 30k. Or will they break it up and care the truck half of the combo is over the 19.5k gvw.
I know they are going to **** me if they decide, but would rather know whats up going into it before I get shot.
I spoke to a Utah Highway patrol officer a month or so ago when I ran into one traveling through.
He said for UT....
License...Over 26k gross doesn't matter if its personal, once its for profit, you need a CDL. "for profit" also means hauling a skid steer to a jobsite, not that you got paid to move the skid steer.
GCWR he said for hire or not, 2 things matter....#1 if you haul 45k lbs, you need it to be registered for 45k lbs. If not, ticket. the more weight the more registration is...and the gov likes to be paid.
#2 He then said if you want to haul 80k lbs behind an F250, you can, and ignore GCWR, as long as GAWR is not over you are good....now, that kind of makes GCWR relevant because there is no way you can haul 80k lbs without the rear axle being over GAWR. So GAWR kind of self police's GCWR. GAWR (Gross axle weight rating)
GVWR, cant go over it, commercial or not, what's funny is, there are so many non tow rigs over GVWR. Basically any Jeep wrangler on 1 tons and 40s, bloated overland toyotas, there are plenty over the GVWR. Now, I doubt those would ever get caught, they appear as normal vehicles.
I think there is wiggle room for non-complete cab and chassis' trucks. Here is why....They come with an incomplete vin sticker. the final manufacturer (outfitter who puts services beds on and stuff) puts the final sticker on it. I have seen stickers that have higher GAWR's and GVWR's than the stock incomplete vin sticker.
There are some companies that are fancy and have their own printed sticker with their logo and some just fill in a blank sticker.
My sticker from 2000 is so faded and it was handwritten, I bet I could buy a manufacturer vin sticker, remove the old barely legible one and add 1k to GAWRs and GVWR's and slap it in place of my old one to keep the police off my ass. The upfitter who did the truck in 2000 went out of business in 08-09. What will they do? They cant call the upfitter, I bought the truck used, so I can play dumb. Illegal? Yeah, but what isnt illegal anymore....our ancestors threw tea overboard who way less petty **** then this....
He said for UT....
License...Over 26k gross doesn't matter if its personal, once its for profit, you need a CDL. "for profit" also means hauling a skid steer to a jobsite, not that you got paid to move the skid steer.
GCWR he said for hire or not, 2 things matter....#1 if you haul 45k lbs, you need it to be registered for 45k lbs. If not, ticket. the more weight the more registration is...and the gov likes to be paid.
#2 He then said if you want to haul 80k lbs behind an F250, you can, and ignore GCWR, as long as GAWR is not over you are good....now, that kind of makes GCWR relevant because there is no way you can haul 80k lbs without the rear axle being over GAWR. So GAWR kind of self police's GCWR. GAWR (Gross axle weight rating)
GVWR, cant go over it, commercial or not, what's funny is, there are so many non tow rigs over GVWR. Basically any Jeep wrangler on 1 tons and 40s, bloated overland toyotas, there are plenty over the GVWR. Now, I doubt those would ever get caught, they appear as normal vehicles.
I think there is wiggle room for non-complete cab and chassis' trucks. Here is why....They come with an incomplete vin sticker. the final manufacturer (outfitter who puts services beds on and stuff) puts the final sticker on it. I have seen stickers that have higher GAWR's and GVWR's than the stock incomplete vin sticker.
There are some companies that are fancy and have their own printed sticker with their logo and some just fill in a blank sticker.
My sticker from 2000 is so faded and it was handwritten, I bet I could buy a manufacturer vin sticker, remove the old barely legible one and add 1k to GAWRs and GVWR's and slap it in place of my old one to keep the police off my ass. The upfitter who did the truck in 2000 went out of business in 08-09. What will they do? They cant call the upfitter, I bought the truck used, so I can play dumb. Illegal? Yeah, but what isnt illegal anymore....our ancestors threw tea overboard who way less petty **** then this....
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Whats ******ed about my setup is the gvwr is less than the gawr's total. 15k rear and 8k front.
With a regular semi tractor its always the sum of gawr's is the tractors gvwr.
I can make an upfitter tag. Not a care about the illegal stuff.
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He's not over 26k gross and the "jobsite" is his personal property in this case.
I can put 2k right where the pin ought to be in my Ranger and still stay under axle and GWV. That's somewhere between unreasonable and ******ed depending on whether you're shooting for 20% pin weight or 10%.
A 1990s 1/2 ton has a GVW around 6k. If you're ok with 10% pin weight then that gets you 20k of trailer and cargo and you stay under CDL and ratings. So basically you can tow a 3-car wedge or a 15k piece of equipment on a GN.
Of course, all of this ignored GCW which I think is technically legally enforceable but never enforced, especially for personal stuff.
How does that work for non cab and chassis? Think like Grand Caravan panel vans and compact/midsize pickups. They get sold as complete vehicles and then upfitted.
Surely someone on eBay who makes repro stickers will make you a repro upfitter sticker. Since the numbers are fades you'll have to provide them.
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FWIW chatGPT couldn't pull up an example with someone cites specifically for a GCWR violation despite a lot of prodding. And I backed Google Gemini into a corner of admitting that there was no statutory way to go after a GCWR only violation other than using a catch all "unsafe" statute if it's visibly unsafe.
Take that with a massive grain of salt, obviously.
Take that with a massive grain of salt, obviously.
That is ****ing dumb lol
Modern day F550s have higher combined GAWRs then the GVWR like you are saying but not to that extreme. Kinda dumb
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The gcvwr is fine, it's being over on the gvwr that's the maybe issue.FWIW chatGPT couldn't pull up an example with someone cites specifically for a GCWR violation despite a lot of prodding. And I backed Google Gemini into a corner of admitting that there was no statutory way to go after a GCWR only violation other than using a catch all "unsafe" statute if it's visibly unsafe.
Take that with a massive grain of salt, obviously.
For extreme example, put 23,000 on truck, and its over the gvwr by 3,500lbs. Attach harbor freight 4x4 trailer, legal to 30k now because its a combo?
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they weigh **** axle by axle here, so if it is overweight on the axle it's overweight on the axle
dropping on an empty trailer doesn't do anything
unless you're plated at 25k and don't have a CDL, then you're driving a combination over 26k rating and are therefore a danger to yourself and to be reeducated
figured that one out since I got one trailer plated at 15k and got the 15k noncommercial truck plates because they cost the same as the 10k ones
at least I got some selective enforcement on that one, still gotta see if I can get 10k stickers for that trailer instead
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I won't be over the axle ratings.
I guess this truck was ordered with heavier axles but they don't change the trucks total gvw.
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Yeah, that's the issue, you're doing it backwards. You wanna be under on you GVWs and you GCW can go **** itself.
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When it comes to dot, in my experience, your better off playing ******ed and confused than actually hoping your argument is valid. If the truck is licensed privately and not to a llc or buisness, you couldn't pay me to willingly pull into a scale.
I got out of possible jailtime or at minimum huge fine at the scale house by tulsa bc my ex wife cleaned my semi took all my paperwork out of the truck. License,registration, permits, bills, even my dot card. I whipped in, officer asked for my paperwork, the second I saw it wasnt where it belonged I put on an Oscar level full ****** act. Guy was so overwhelmed I got out with a non written warning. I got home and beat the wife....well i wanted to but didnt... lol shouldve divorced that bitch then.
I got out of possible jailtime or at minimum huge fine at the scale house by tulsa bc my ex wife cleaned my semi took all my paperwork out of the truck. License,registration, permits, bills, even my dot card. I whipped in, officer asked for my paperwork, the second I saw it wasnt where it belonged I put on an Oscar level full ****** act. Guy was so overwhelmed I got out with a non written warning. I got home and beat the wife....well i wanted to but didnt... lol shouldve divorced that bitch then.
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This is why I want to build a truck that looks like a motorhome. Haul anything, no concerns.
I might give off gypsy paver vibes with skid steer and camper, trucks registered to my company but ill be clearly on vacation with wife and kid up front.
**** road pirates.
I might give off gypsy paver vibes with skid steer and camper, trucks registered to my company but ill be clearly on vacation with wife and kid up front.
**** road pirates.
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Could you just put a "private coach" or "private rv, not for hire" sticker on it and roll? I do that with my f550
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