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Vaccine FAILURE, on every level.

Not specifically vaccine failure but interesting. The wife works for Fed govt at military hospital in family clinic. She is in contact with a co-worker who tested positive for covid. The 2 staff members who work together were required to wear non-fitted N95 masks for the day and were asked to return the next day for a covid test before work. Meanwhile the rest of the staff in the clinic didn't need to wear a mask. The 2 staff members said it was stupid to drive to work the next day just for the test; work agreed and sent them home with a test to take the next morning and report results before going to work. The test was some fancy bullshit test that required Bluetooth and a phone app to even see the results. The wife checked it out and the app required her to enable "contact tracing" on her android phone. She said fuck that and threw it in trash and used a free cheap test instead. She tested positive and stayed home that Friday. Returned to work on Monday and all was normal with no mask enforcement. The govt can't even follow or figure out their own rules. The provider my wife works for has not been vaccinated and her testing requirements seem to change weekly. Some departments in the hospital wear masks while other don't but they all walk the halls and eat at the cafeteria.
 
CrustyJeep said:
Lots of vaccines have such immunity. Again, this has zero to do with the COVID vaccines. It's all based on the PREP act, which was enacted in 2005. Guess what else carries such immunity...

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I didn’t read through the list, but of those included in your link, how many were forced on non military employees if they wanted to keep their jobs?
 
fvs said:
I didn’t read through the list, but of those included in your link, how many were forced on non military employees if they wanted to keep their jobs?
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Isn’t Crusty a Canadian?

You’re asking that to a Canadian? :laughing:
 
fvs said:
I didn’t read through the list, but of those included in your link, how many were forced on non military employees if they wanted to keep their jobs?
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Let’s face it, crusty doesn’t have the ability to participate in a rational discussion, because it will question his political and religious beliefs.

He literally parrots talking points from msm and doesn’t even know what any of it means, but that it simply sounds good.

When he parroted this talking point about “all vaccines have immunity”, the msm left out a couple key factors.

This is a forced vaccine that caused non federal/military employees to take or lose their job and these are not truly vaccines, but definitions were adjusted to fit the category for immunity.
 
Rockbuggy84 said:
Let’s face it, crusty doesn’t have the ability to participate in a rational discussion, because it will question his political and religious beliefs.

He literally parrots talking points from msm and doesn’t even know what any of it means, but that it simply sounds good.

When he parroted this talking point about “all vaccines have immunity”, the msm left out a couple key factors.

This is a forced vaccine that caused non federal/military employees to take or lose their job and these are not truly vaccines, but definitions were adjusted to fit the category for immunity.
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To be fair to Crusty- you can't turn around in today's society without being inundated with news/advertisements/doctors/people reaffirming many of his points. It's hard to be exposed to all of that and then somehow believe a bunch of "experts" in a fringe 4x4 forum on the internet.

Shoot, our family pediatrician is a friend who we trust to have our best interest at heart even outside of a professional setting and she is still pushing for our oldest to get the shot when he's 5. If I hadn't experienced what I did first hand with getting shots and covid, I probably would have taken hear advice in a heartbeat. She even got her own vaccine while pregnant with her son. She's not an idiot, just very trusting of the majority of the medical community.

I'm supposed to fly down to help my 80 year old parents move up here closer to me this weekend. They asked me to wear a mask on the airplane. They're on shot #3 and have been told by doctors and the news that people their age should be getting a fourth.
 
Harry Johnson said:
I'm supposed to fly down to help my 80 year old parents move up here closer to me this weekend. They asked me to wear a mask on the airplane. They're on shot #3 and have been told by doctors and the news that people their age should be getting a fourth.
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My parents are Reagan worshipping, Fox News die hard Republicans and I practically had to cuss them out on several occasions over me not getting the vaxx (they still don't know I got it). It's not just right vs left with this shit. It's scared vs stable. And even though there's alot more scared on the left side, there's still plenty on the right.

At one point (during one of our arguments) I told my dad that I was not only willing to lose my job over a mandate, but I was also willing to go to jail. They got up and left without even saying goodbye to the grandkids. I never told them I got the vaxx because fuck 'em. I love them very much, but they belong to the mass formation phsyco machine.
 
45acp said:
My parents are Reagan worshipping, Fox News die hard Republicans and I practically had to cuss them out on several occasions over me not getting the vaxx (they still don't know I got it). It's not just right vs left with this shit. It's scared vs stable. And even though there's alot more scared on the left side, there's still plenty on the right.

At one point (during one of our arguments) I told my dad that I was not only willing to lose my job over a mandate, but I was also willing to go to jail. They got up and left without even saying goodbye to the grandkids. I never told them I got the vaxx because fuck 'em. I love them very much, but they belong to the mass formation phsyco machine.
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When you're too old to go out and experience what's going on in the real world, and too old to really know how to use "The Internet", you spend a lot of time reading newspapers, watching tv in a recliner, and talking to your family doctor. So those are their main sources of news. Now, all that said, both my parents just hit 80 and have been diagnosed with COPD, so they should be more careful than most, but at the same time I feel that if my dad was 20 years younger, he wouldn't be worried about if I wore a mask or not on the plane coming to get them.
 
45acp said:
My parents are Reagan worshipping, Fox News die hard Republicans and I practically had to cuss them out on several occasions over me not getting the vaxx (they still don't know I got it). It's not just right vs left with this shit. It's scared vs stable.
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Is it scared vs stable or (in their age group) is those that trust "The News" (media) vs those who don't?

Remember that your parents came from an era where the 6 O'clock Evening News was reliable and informative. Even as that changed starting in the 70's and 80's, media didn't LIE to you, it may have slanted the news one way (left) or another (right), but it didn't LIE to you. As the Covid scare hit mainstream, even Fox News passed on the same lies as all of the other mainstream media outlets.

If someone you trusted your whole life to tell you the truth suddenly started telling you a lie, the same lie you heard from multiple other sources as well, you would still be inclined to trust that person. The same is true of our parents (mine are in their 70's), all of their life they've relied on mainstream media for "The News" and while they see the bias, they don't see the lies for what they are.

Their generation "grew up" in an era where the media wasn't being controlled the way it is today. Before what the CIA learned from MK Ultra could be applied nationwide via Operation Mockingbird. Thanks to the internet, we can research and see that whether or not Operation Mockingbird is still actively ongoing or not, someone(s) is controlling the media, someone is controlling the narrative and "We the People" are being fed lies and propaganda streamed 24/7 into our homes via Radio, TV and The Internet.
 
MChat said:
Remember that your parents came from an era where the 6 O'clock Evening News was reliable and informative. Even as that changed starting in the 70's and 80's, media didn't LIE to you, it may have slanted the news one way (left) or another (right), but it didn't LIE to you.
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I'm sure there are plenty of people on here that will disagree with you on that.
 
rockyota83 said:
yea i guess i do, i just dont see how an intelligent person can trust a gov forcing a vaccine on people.
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There are a huge percentage of medical doctors in the US that recommend the covid vaccine. I don't believe that I am somehow more intelligent or knowledgeable than they are. Also I don't believe there is any sort of malice or deception happening with them based on the doctors I do know personally. I think that the human body is insanely complex and that requires that doctors trust the work and research of other doctors. So if there is prevailing documentation and scientific numbers that says the vax is good, they by default don't question it because it's a source they've been taught to trust.
 
Harry Johnson said:
There are a huge percentage of medical doctors in the US that recommend the covid vaccine. I don't believe that I am somehow more intelligent or knowledgeable than they are. Also I don't believe there is any sort of malice or deception happening with them based on the doctors I do know personally. I think that the human body is insanely complex and that requires that doctors trust the work and research of other doctors. So if there is prevailing documentation and scientific numbers that says the vax is good, they by default don't question it because it's a source they've been taught to trust.
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speaking from a family with a lot of healthcare employees... Don't assume that Dr.'s ask any more questions of the direction from above than teh average person.
Not taking away from them, per se. But they are not immune to "taking on faith"
 
Harry Johnson said:
There are a huge percentage of medical doctors in the US that recommend the covid vaccine. I don't believe that I am somehow more intelligent or knowledgeable than they are. Also I don't believe there is any sort of malice or deception happening with them based on the doctors I do know personally. I think that the human body is insanely complex and that requires that doctors trust the work and research of other doctors. So if there is prevailing documentation and scientific numbers that says the vax is good, they by default don't question it because it's a source they've been taught to trust.
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thats all fine and dandy, my point was the gov forced people to take it or lose their livelihood and any intelligent person should be able to see that as a big red flag, i guess it all depends on your interpretation of intelligence
 
rockyota83 said:
thats all fine and dandy, my point was the gov forced people to take it or lose their livelihood and any intelligent person should be able to see that as a big red flag, i guess it all depends on your interpretation of intelligence
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I've found most left leaning people welcome government regulation because they feel people aren't smart enough to do it for themselves or it's for their own good. See seatbelt laws, healthcare, mask mandates, etc. Not saying it's right, but that's where it comes from.
 
Harry Johnson said:
There are a huge percentage of medical doctors in the US that recommend the covid vaccine. I don't believe that I am somehow more intelligent or knowledgeable than they are.
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I think that if you can use critical thinking and multiple sources to form an educated opinion that would make you far more intelligent than someone with more schooling but who is either unwilling or unable to use the same critical thinking skills.
 
Harry Johnson said:
I've found most left leaning people welcome government regulation because they feel people aren't smart enough to do it for themselves or it's for their own good. See seatbelt laws, healthcare, mask mandates, etc. Not saying it's right, but that's where it comes from.
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It’s kind of ironic, no?
 
surpip said:
I think that if you can use critical thinking and multiple sources to form an educated opinion that would make you far more intelligent than someone with more schooling but who is either unwilling or unable to use the same critical thinking skills.
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Only if those sources are crustyjeep approved, of course….
 
Harry Johnson said:
I've found most left leaning people welcome government regulation because they feel people aren't smart enough to do it for themselves or it's for their own good. See seatbelt laws, healthcare, mask mandates, etc. Not saying it's right, but that's where it comes from.
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And of course THOSE people think they ought to be the elite writing those rules, because they know better than the rest of us. That's why the higher you go in academia, the more uber-progressive people get.
 
Harry Johnson said:
I've found most left leaning people welcome government regulation because they feel people aren't smart enough to do it for themselves or it's for their own good. See seatbelt laws, healthcare, mask mandates, etc. Not saying it's right, but that's where it comes from.
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Perceived moral and intellectual superiority...
It's not right to force your beliefs of what's right and good onto others simply because you believe you "know better" and it's "in their best interests". Personally I've found individuals with that mind set to be very closed minded and very ignorant.
 
CrustyJeep said:
Are you saying they're not what they say they are?
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Not the Bee is a humor-based news, opinion, and entertainment site from the creators of The Babylon Bee and Disrn. Like the name suggests, it'll feature some absurd and hilarious (but real) news that seems like it should definitely be satire.
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So you're technically right calling it a comedy sight I guess, but it's not satire.
 
CrustyJeep said:
Which I guess explains why the article rockota posted is pretty fucking funny :laughing:
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I typed slower this time... hopefully you can keep up:

Please provide sources that you consider credible.
Until then, you are not in a position to complain about any sources or the content...
So.. name the sources...
 
Harry Johnson said:
So you're technically right calling it a comedy sight I guess, but it's not satire.
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Don't gloss over the "but real" part of that sentence... or the "seems like it should definitely be satire" :flipoff2:


NTB is basically Drudge Report wrapped in attempted humor.
 
rockota said:
I typed slower this time... hopefully you can keep up:

Please provide sources that you consider credible.
Until then, you are not in a position to complain about any sources or the content...
So.. name the sources...
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You are pathetic. Read what I posted, or don't, but telling me what I do and don't consider credible is just sad.
 
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