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Bonanza said:
Under what metric would X be considered to be doing well? Maybe I’m wrong? By all accounts there is an exodus of users and advertisers, so I’m perplexed as to why X can seen as anything besides a flaming train wreck.
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It's one of the last bastions of truly free speech we have left. He bought it to keep it that way not to get rich since he was already filthy fucking rich. He straight up said he was buying it for that reason.


You're a .gov employee in CA so nobody expects much better from you but you don't have to keep digging deeper,you can walk away at any time.
 
Bonanza said:
I believe people that are born rich have an uncanny ability to stay rich.

As to whether society is better or worse, I would argue it's better. The collapsing influence of social media couldn't be more welcomed. The sooner the world is rid of facebook, tiktok, twitter, linkedin, instagram, the better. I wish facebook would accelerate in its own demise, but it seems to have staying power.
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Did you leave out YouTube or is that a deliberate omission ?
 
Bonanza said:
I don’t actively use social media, aside from this forum.

You are correct, I am not a fan of Trump. I expect him to lose handily. Nikki Haley was and is my pick.
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Bonanza said:
Who told who to hate Bud Light? ...Target? Was that the left?

Can we cut half the federal government? Yep. I didn't say otherwise, so not sure why you're suggesting I did. Seeing as how Trump increased the national debt 8 trillion dollars, I do not have confidence in his ability to "cut" anything. I have even less confidence that Harris will, but let's not pretend Trump has anything other than a disastrous fiscal history to point to.
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Principles, born and raised with them, no one has to tell me what's right and wrong.

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I was gonna let this go but I got to ask.

Are you comparing Elon Musk hate for overpaying for a company to promote free speech and maybe end up saving this countries 1st amendment and maybe now helping straighten out the countries finances vs. Promoting children mutilation and kiddie diddling?


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DWT said:
It's one of the last bastions of truly free speech we have left. He bought it to keep it that way not to get rich since he was already filthy fucking rich. He straight up said he was buying it for that reason.


You're a .gov employee in CA so nobody expects much better from you but you don't have to keep digging deeper,you can walk away at any time.
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The more you try to punctuate your points by attacking me personally, the more I know you aren't confident in your own argument. Speaking of, what exactly is suppressing your free speech? Feel free to type it freely on this available-to-everyone public bulletin board. I imagine you'd like to point to Facebook filtering content it didn't like, or manipulating the algorithm to drive down conservative viewpoints? That's what I would argue if I was you. Certainly, facebook isn't the government so it wouldn't matter what they suppress. Maybe then the argument of the government pressuring facebook to tamp down on misinformation?

Maybe your experience is different than mine? I haven't had an issue speaking freely or accessing literature/conversation on topics I choose.
 
Bonanza said:
This has 0 to do with me. I have never, and will never, disparage anyone in these discussions about their own education levels. For the record, it is always someone else that feels the need to point out my education and then personally attack me.

As you did.
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You called it out first… I’m just reminding you.

And for the record, you personally attacked Musk….
 
Bonanza said:
The more you try to punctuate your points by attacking me personally, the more I know you aren't confident in your own argument. Speaking of, what exactly is suppressing your free speech? Feel free to type it freely on this available-to-everyone public bulletin board. I imagine you'd like to point to Facebook filtering content it didn't like, or manipulating the algorithm to drive down conservative viewpoints? That's what I would argue if I was you. Certainly, facebook isn't the government so it wouldn't matter what they suppress. Maybe then the argument of the government pressuring facebook to tamp down on misinformation?

Maybe your experience is different than mine? I haven't had an issue speaking freely or accessing literature/conversation on topics I choose.
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You're conveniently leaving out the part where those platforms moderated speech at the request of the government. Those are your people. Own it.
 
Bonanza said:
Who told who to hate Bud Light? ...Target? Was that the left?

Can we cut half the federal government? Yep. I didn't say otherwise, so not sure why you're suggesting I did. Seeing as how Trump increased the national debt 8 trillion dollars, I do not have confidence in his ability to "cut" anything. I have even less confidence that Harris will, but let's not pretend Trump has anything other than a disastrous fiscal history to point to.
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How much of that $8 trillion was during COVID? Just curious. I don’t know and too lazy to sirch. :flipoff2:
 
rockota said:
You called it out first… I’m just reminding you.

And for the record, you personally attacked Musk….
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Yes, Musk. Whereas you like to attack me for some reason. Whatever lifts your skirt, go for it, but I don't feel the need to attack other people [here] personally for their opinions.

I suspect Musk doesn't care one iota what I think.
 
bgaidan said:
You're conveniently leaving out the part where those platforms moderated speech at the request of the government. Those are your people. Own it.
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1) I don't work for the federal government. :confused:
2) I specifically cited that issue.

I will say I 100% support the feds' attempts to ban TikTok entirely.
 
RusM said:
Gotta nuke something. :laughing:


Are you high level trolling people, or do you like arguing so much you've gotta do it in between arguing in court? Or is it both?

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One of the supporting concepts of free speech was the specific hypothesis that argument and conflict spawns evolution of thought. We are at 4 pages of discussion on the issue now. Had I said nothing this thread would be a circle jerk of people swinging on Musk's balls. Agree or disagree, I suspect the thread is a bit more interesting with a contrary opinion thrown in. Some people can't seem to handle an opposing ideology and just resort to personal attacks, which is strange. I've had my own opinion changes on a lot of issues through the years, and the first step in any of those was listening to a view that wasn't my own.
 
Bonanza said:
Under what metric would X be considered to be doing well? Maybe I’m wrong? By all accounts there is an exodus of users and advertisers, so I’m perplexed as to why X can seen as anything besides a flaming train wreck.
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It was bought so it could be a platform free of bias and censorship. The fuck does anything else matter. That's the measure of success.
 
Bonanza said:
So from not answering the question I’m going to take that as you can’t.

Moving on, are you of the opinion that if Musk were to sell X today, he would walk away with a profit?
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And neither can you. You're making statements that you're taking from sources who don't have data as fact... Unless X releases their PRIVATE numbers, everything is BS speculation. That means YOUR claims are just as much BS as anyone claiming X is doing well.

Who GAF if he makes a profit? It's none of my business.
 
Bonanza said:
One of the supporting concepts of free speech was the specific hypothesis that argument and conflict spawns evolution of thought. We are at 4 pages of discussion on the issue now. Had I said nothing this thread would be a circle jerk of people swinging on Musk's balls. Agree or disagree, I suspect the thread is a bit more interesting with a contrary opinion thrown in. Some people can't seem to handle an opposing ideology and just resort to personal attacks, which is strange. I've had my own opinion changes on a lot of issues through the years, and the first step in any of those was listening to a view that wasn't my own.
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Irony, Isle 4
 
Bonanza said:
Can we cut half the federal government? Yep. I didn't say otherwise, so not sure why you're suggesting I did. Seeing as how Trump increased the national debt 8 trillion dollars, I do not have confidence in his ability to "cut" anything. I have even less confidence that Harris will, but let's not pretend Trump has anything other than a disastrous fiscal history to point to.
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What would that number be without the Democrats Covid nonsense?

That orange pussy should’ve put his foot down. Tell everybody to shut the fuck up and go on with their lives, but no the TV produced billions of Covid mentions within a week, got half the world terrified of the coof coof.
 
rockota said:
And neither can you. You're making statements that you're taking from sources who don't have data as fact... Unless X releases their PRIVATE numbers, everything is BS speculation. That means YOUR claims are just as much BS as anyone claiming X is doing well.

Who GAF if he makes a profit? It's none of my business.
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If he indeed just spent his money to buy a new thing to play with, value be damned, then you would be correct. I can't read the man's mind, but I can't imagine he'd want to take a complete bath on the valuation. Maybe he doesn't care. Only he knows. But if he wanted to make Twitter a more valuable company, by any reasonable metrics he has failed. If he wanted to use his massive wealth to purchase his own megaphone, then by any reasonable metrics it appears he succeeded.
 
Bonanza said:
The more you try to punctuate your points by attacking me personally, the more I know you aren't confident in your own argument. Speaking of, what exactly is suppressing your free speech? Feel free to type it freely on this available-to-everyone public bulletin board. I imagine you'd like to point to Facebook filtering content it didn't like, or manipulating the algorithm to drive down conservative viewpoints? That's what I would argue if I was you. Certainly, facebook isn't the government so it wouldn't matter what they suppress. Maybe then the argument of the government pressuring facebook to tamp down on misinformation?

Maybe your experience is different than mine? I haven't had an issue speaking freely or accessing literature/conversation on topics I choose.
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Facebook isn't the government. Correct. But as we have all found out, the government did contact facebook and twitter and other platforms to have them silence voices they didn't like.

You have not had any issues speaking freely. However, many Harvard and Stanford educated doctors did.
 
rockota said:
Irony, Isle 4
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I haven't attacked anyone here personally. You have. My feelings will recover of course, as I know it's just keyboard warrior stuff. Not going to get too bent out shape over it. I just respectfully disagree with you.

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Since Bonanza didn’t answer me, it looks like Trump’s spending was mostly when the governors’ had their states shut down…
 
Yota Up said:
Facebook isn't the government. Correct. But as we have all found out, the government did contact facebook and twitter and other platforms to have them silence voices they didn't like.

You have not had any issues speaking freely. However, many Harvard and Stanford educated doctors did.
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So has the government punished people for refusing the Covid vaccine, by firing employees who didn't get it.

But in a 6-3 opinion this year, the conservative Court has allowed the White house to pressure social media to remove information.

There are a multitude of actions by the government that on their face are questionable, but we have a good system in place to push back on it.
 
Bonanza said:
If he indeed just spent his money to buy a new thing to play with, value be damned, then you would be correct. I can't read the man's mind, but I can't imagine he'd want to take a complete bath on the valuation. Maybe he doesn't care. Only he knows. But if he wanted to make Twitter a more valuable company, by any reasonable metrics he has failed. If he wanted to use his massive wealth to purchase his own megaphone, then by any reasonable metrics it appears he succeeded.
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I don't know how to make this any simpler for you.... Unless X released the data themselves, your beliefs are w/o basis. X is not a public company - the don't have to report anything. So unless you are willing to cite X-provided data to support your claims, the claims are worthless.
 
rockota said:
I don't know how to make this any simpler for you.... Unless X released the data themselves, your beliefs are w/o basis. X is not a public company - the don't have to report anything. So unless you are willing to cite X-provided data to support your claims, the claims are worthless.
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I suppose the simplest it can be is whether something is worth more now, than what it was paid for then.

Is Twitter today worth more than what Musk paid then? If not, by a pure business metric, I can't see the argument for how Musk has improved the company. Companies exist only to make money. Again, if he bought it as a toy, then I agree it matters not what it's worth then or now.
 
Bonanza said:
I suppose the simplest it can be is whether something is worth more now, than what it was paid for then.

Is Twitter today worth more than what Musk paid then? If not, by a pure business metric, I can't see the argument for how Musk has improved the company. Companies exist only to make money. Again, if he bought it as a toy, then I agree it matters not what it's worth then or now.
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perhaps... but until and unless he tries to sell it, there is no data you can cite to say it's worth more or less than it was when it purchased it.
 
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