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Motorcharge said:
Even if it is, that reads like he ordered it declassified and whatever the process is didn't happen and Trump showed what should have been a declassified document to an author. Even if he committed a crime on a technicality the intent clearly was to follow the proper legal process. That's a hell of a difference from stealing and distributing classified information.

The end of the Trump administration was an absolute shitshow of rats trying to distance themselves from Trump as fast as they possibly could. Wouldn't surprise me at all that the process was just never finished because they cared more about getting out of there than finishing the process.
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IMO, he doesn't even need to make that argument. The point is, "the accepted declassification process" is not a legal term. Just because we've always done it that way, doesn't make it law nor is it a crime to not follow the accepted practice. RD is just parroting the talking points. I'd love for him to parrot the actual text of the law that dictates what the process is for a president to declassify something.
 
The “process” is so folks downstream of Trump know it’s declassified.
 
DVanVorous said:
There's a BUNCH of difference twixt someone that tells the FBI to check his house for possible docs and a couple 20 yr old docs are found vs. someone that denies having them, says he has the ability to declassify sans going thru the protocol so they aren't classified any longer, and gets all buthurt in social media when the Secret service allows the FBI to enter with requisite search warrant and they find...how many docs including serious IT CANT be declassified docs? Yep same deal strictly a political witch hunt...:shaking:
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That's not what happened. He was negotiating with the records office and the FBI even came prior to this shitty show raid, inspected the documents and where they were stored, suggested additional locks and security measures which Trump and mar a Lago complied with.

That's why the stupid raid was surprising to the trump team. They were cooperating right up until the feds came and raided, the favorite weapon of the stazi.

Iffen you'd pay attention, you'd know why this is all a farce
 
bgaidan said:
IMO, he doesn't even need to make that argument. The point is, "the accepted declassification process" is not a legal term. Just because we've always done it that way, doesn't make it law nor is it a crime to not follow the accepted practice. RD is just parroting the talking points. I'd love for him to parrot the actual text of the law that dictates what the process is for a president to declassify something.
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Let's be clear here all these fucks are playing loose and free with this info. I dont know how far back it goes, but I would think at least 10 admins. They're all acting kingly and above the law. And yes I think JB and BO, and any other elected fuck should be held to the same standard. Just saying "Oh, my bad, sorry", should carry the same weight as if it was a murder case.

Trump is getting his dick stepped on absolutely for political reasons and that he was irresponsible in handling these documents, that I doubt he ever read...maybe a few, but have you seen the piles of banker boxes that were discovered?
 
My prediction is that he'll lose the NY cases and win the 1/6 case. BFD, can't do business in NY anymore, there are 49 other states.
 
There is no process. Back when Trump was accused of handing classified material to Russia in 2017 even abc and politico admitted so.


www.politifact.com

Do presidents have 'the ability to declassify anything'?

The blockbuster article in The Washington Post saying President Donald Trump had "revealed highly classified information
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abcnews.go.com

Trump has legal authority to declassify intelligence

Despite the blowback, Trump is right.
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James Risch
stated on May 15, 2017 in remarks to reporters:
"The minute the president speaks about it to someone, he has the ability to declassify anything at any time without any process."
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DVanVorous said:
There's a BUNCH of difference twixt someone that tells the FBI to check his house for possible docs and a couple 20 yr old docs are found vs. someone that denies having them, says he has the ability to declassify sans going thru the protocol so they aren't classified any longer, and gets all buthurt in social media when the Secret service allows the FBI to enter with requisite search warrant and they find...how many docs including serious IT CANT be declassified docs? Yep same deal strictly a political witch hunt...:shaking:
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Animalmother said:
The “process” is so folks downstream of Trump know it’s declassified.
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First, they found a lot more than a couple docs. All of them were illegal to store at home.

Second, as Animal said, the reason for the declassified protocol is protection of methods and proof that they were declassified for a “non president”. The “protection of methods” part can be wieved at the presidents disgression. If Trump died, his wife and kids might have a problem because there is no proof they were declassified. There is nothing written in law that the president must submit documents for declassification.
 
Peter Doochie ask Biden about the report saying he is elderly and has poor memory so he gets a pass. Biden defends his memory and competence. And then no one in a room full of "journalist" ask the follow up question...So the report got it wrong? you knew exactly what you were doing when you took and stored those boxes and boxes of illegal documents over the course of many years. Your intent was?
 
Well now here is something interesting, Upshot Trump people were told by Feds to come get pallet of documents becuase they needed them out of the way

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'Absolutely incredible!' Unsealed records in Trump 'classified doc' case exposes ODD detail · American Wire News

Unsealed files in fmr Pres. Donald Trump's classified docs case appeared to show a federal agency was behind boxes being transferred to MAL.
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‘Absolutely incredible!’ Unsealed records in Trump ‘classified doc’ case exposes ODD detail​

April 28, 2024 | Kevin Haggerty

The latest unsealed records regarding the former president’s legal woes were deemed “absolutely incredible” after records showed part of the classified documents case “we never heard.”

Throughout the week, United States District Judge Aileen Cannon followed through with a decision regarding the release of records in former President Donald Trump’s Florida case over his alleged mishandling of classified documents. Now, roughly 20 months after his Palm Beach, Florida home was raided by the FBI, commentator Julie Kelly spotlighted a particular detail about an order for Trump’s team to first “come get” what he was indicted for having.

“WELL WELL WELL I am pretty sure we never heard this part of the ‘classified documents/box’ story! More from unredacted motions in FLA–this from an unsealed transcript of a witness interview,” posted Kelly on X over a screenshot of the release.

“One of the things I wanted to talk about, if you remember sometime after the administration ended,” the document stated, “GSA (General Services Administration) had approximately six pallets of items, boxes I believe, that were stored in Virginia.”

“And at some point — I guess there was maybe a time limit, I’m not entirely sure — they contacted the office of [Trump] to inform them that, you know, they have to go. They — someone has to pick them up, or they have to be shipped, or something to that effect,” the excerpt continued. “Does this ring a bell at all with you?”





Breaking down the snippet, Kelly wrote, “FBI agent says GSA was holding a large quantity of Trump’s boxes in VA and then ordered his team to come get them. I am sure NOTHING hanky happened there…”

She went on to share an exchange of testimony speaking to a pallet of boxes and wrote, “So an entire pallet full of boxes that had been held by GSA somewhere outside of DC is dumped at Mar-a-Lago. Apparently, these are the boxes that ended up containing papers with ‘classified markings.’ I will double check indictment but I don’t recall this even in the timeline…”




From the onset, Trump had kept the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) in his sights for allegedly coordinating with President Joe Biden’s administration as part of lawfare in a political persecution against the leading opponent for the White House in 2024.
 
WaterH said:
First, they found a lot more than a couple docs. All of them were illegal to store at home.

Second, as Animal said, the reason for the declassified protocol is protection of methods and proof that they were declassified for a “non president”. The “protection of methods” part can be waived at the presidents discretion. If Trump died, his wife and kids might have a problem because there is no proof they were declassified. There is nothing written in law that the president must submit documents for declassification.
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Obviously yer not familiar with classified document handling and protocol required particularly where National defense docs are concerned. The Pres does NOT have sole discretion when it comes down to that type information among a couple other types. Declassification, particularly when dealing with nuclear defense and related topics, have to be cleared by the DoD and a couple other agencies responsible for the documents before release. That despite Trumps argument hes king bee and can do anything...

Might add that tRump himself removed an Obama EO loosening the criteria for declassification and added more constraints...but nothing about "thinking" about declassifying. So yes there are rules AKA E.O "laws" covering how how they are classified and handled and its also a multi-layered system not controlled by fiat from one person.

Now if we're talking things like some "national security" items such as finding out evidence about a potential coup in Timbuktu or nonsense like Putin wearing tighty whities with spider man on them it's only a federal embarrassment if it gets out that the US has the info but not a security problem. A lot of the stuff crossing the presidential desk is stuff like that and that's the type documents Biden and other presidents have taken home. Hence why the doc issue with Biden never got further than a cluster F*** on Fox News et. Al.
Wrong? yes
Newsworthy? sorta
Tempest in teapot? absolutely
 
1. What does tRump mean? Is that some childish code for something?

2. So the argument you are making in your last paragraph is that some classified docs are ok to take and some aren't. Of course, that probably depends on if you spell DJT's name tRump or Trump I would assume?
 
dntsdad said:
1. What does tRump mean? Is that some childish code for something?

2. So the argument you are making in your last paragraph is that some classified docs are ok to take and some aren't. Of course, that probably depends on if you spell DJT's name tRump or Trump I would assume?
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Once I seen that shit I discounted anything he said, try being a grown up.
 
DVanVorous said:
Obviously yer not familiar with classified document handling and protocol required particularly where National defense docs are concerned. The Pres does NOT have sole discretion when it comes down to that type information among a couple other types. Declassification, particularly when dealing with nuclear defense and related topics, have to be cleared by the DoD and a couple other agencies responsible for the documents before release. That despite Trumps argument hes king bee and can do anything...

Might add that tRump himself removed an Obama EO loosening the criteria for declassification and added more constraints...but nothing about "thinking" about declassifying. So yes there are rules AKA E.O "laws"
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I think you are the 1st person who said a President can’t declassify documents in his administration.
 
FJC11 said:
Once I seen that shit I discounted anything he said, try being a grown up.
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Yup, if you can't get your train of thought out there without petty snarky remarks that guarantee a myopic argument I'm out.
 
I'll gladly type Joetato or Joementia. Roachul is a favorite of mine, too.

But seriously what does tRump mean? :laughing: Like calling him an ass or something?
 
DVanVorous said:
Obviously yer not familiar with classified document handling and protocol required particularly where National defense docs are concerned. The Pres does NOT have sole discretion when it comes down to that type information among a couple other types.
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Wrong! This issue has allready been ruled on. The Dems wanted to charge Trump with releasing classified info in a meeting with a foreign leader. That went trough an investigation and legal process. The outcome was he does have the authority at any moment without any declassification process used.
 
WaterH said:
Wrong! This issue has allready been ruled on. The Dems wanted to charge Trump with releasing classified info in a meeting with a foreign leader. That went trough an investigation and legal process. The outcome was he does have the authority at any moment without any declassification process used.
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And he completely glosses over the fact that the documents that were found in Biden's home and office were taken when he was VP when he had zero authority to declassify.
 
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