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Trump announcing VP pick today

lol

that vox article is pure gold. Im really starting to like the guy

This worldview translates into a very aggressive agenda for a second Trump presidency. In a podcast interview, Vance said that Trump should “fire every single mid-level bureaucrat” in the US government and “replace them with our people.” If the courts attempt to stop this, Vance says, Trump should simply ignore the law.
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J.D. Vance is a man who believes that the current government is so corrupt that radical, even authoritarian steps, are justified in response. He sees himself as the avatar of America’s virtuous people, whose political enemies are interlopers scarcely worthy of respect. He is a man of the law who believes the president is above it.
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Vance has metamorphosed into something else entirely. Today, he pitches himself as an economic populist and cosponsors legislation with Sen. Elizabeth Warren curtailing pay for failed bankers. In an even more extreme shift, he has morphed into one of Trump’s leading champions in the Senate — backing the former president to the hilt and even, at times, outpacing him in anti-democratic fervor
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Vance has cited Curtis Yarvin, a Silicon Valley monarchist blogger, as the source of his ideas about firing bureaucrats and defying the Supreme Court. His Senate campaign was funded by Vance’s former employer, Peter Thiel, a billionaire who once wrote that “I no longer believe that freedom and democracy are compatible.”
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He’s a big fan of Patrick Deneen, a Notre Dame professor who recently wrote a book calling for “regime change” in America. Vance spoke at an event for Deneen’s book in Washington, describing himself as a member of the “postliberal right” who sees his job in Congress as taking an “explicitly anti-regime” stance.
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Also, this was his response to the pistol stabilizer ruling lmao

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I guess he wrote a book - Hillbilly Elegy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillbilly_Elegy

From wikipedia

"Alongside his personal history, Vance raises questions about the responsibility of his family and people for their misfortune. Vance blames hillbilly culture and its supposed encouragement of social rot. Comparatively, he feels that economic insecurity plays a much lesser role. To lend credence to his argument, Vance regularly relies on personal experience. As a grocery store checkout cashier, he watched welfare recipients talk on cell phones, although the working Vance could not afford one. His resentment of those who seemed to profit from poor behavior while he struggled, especially combined with his values of personal responsibility and tough love, is presented as a microcosm of the reason for Appalachia's overall political swing from strong Democratic Party to strong Republican affiliations. Likewise, he recounts stories intended to showcase a lack of work ethic, including the story of a man who quit after expressing dislike over his job's hours and posted to social media about the "Obama economy", as well as a co-worker, with a pregnant girlfriend, who would skip work.[1]"
 
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Norm said:
I guess he wrote a book - Hillbilly Elegy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillbilly_Elegy

From wikipedia

"Alongside his personal history, Vance raises questions about the responsibility of his family and people for their misfortune. Vance blames hillbilly culture and its supposed encouragement of social rot. Comparatively, he feels that economic insecurity plays a much lesser role. To lend credence to his argument, Vance regularly relies on personal experience. As a grocery store checkout cashier, he watched welfare recipients talk on cell phones, although the working Vance could not afford one. His resentment of those who seemed to profit from poor behavior while he struggled, especially combined with his values of personal responsibility and tough love, is presented as a microcosm of the reason for Appalachia's overall political swing from strong Democratic Party to strong Republican affiliations. Likewise, he recounts stories intended to showcase a lack of work ethic, including the story of a man who quit after expressing dislike over his job's hours and posted to social media about the "Obama economy", as well as a co-worker, with a pregnant girlfriend, who would skip work.[1]"
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I've always said that both black culture and white trash culture have the same issue in that way too many folks will criticize you and say you either "ain't keepin' it real" or "you're outgrowing your raising" in those cultures when you're just trying to better yourself.
 
Vance is ok, but he's flip flopped on a lot of shit, including Trump and doesn't really bring anything to the table imo. Big missed opportunity to pick up some independent voters via Vivek or Scott. I don't see Vance running for President in 2028, let alone winning. He's not anyone I would be enthusiastic about voting for for President.

As far as VP picks go though, he's not nearly as bad as the other mainstream names that were being floated so there's that I guess.
 
Motorcharge said:
Vance is ok, but he's flip flopped on a lot of shit, including Trump and doesn't really bring anything to the table imo. Big missed opportunity to pick up some independent voters via Vivek or Scott. I don't see Vance running for President in 2028, let alone winning. He's not anyone I would be enthusiastic about voting for for President.

As far as VP picks go though, he's not nearly as bad as the other mainstream names that were being floated so there's that I guess.
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How many of the current rabid Trump supporters said the exact same thing about him in 15?
 
Void_of_Light said:
How many of the current rabid Trump supporters said the exact same thing about him in 15?
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Wildly difference scenarios. Trump had no political experience in 2015. I've seen Vance's political experience and I'm not thrilled by it. He's basically diet Pence. I don't see what he brings to the table for Trump other than being impeachment insurance to a degree and maybe some additional votes in Ohio.
 
Motorcharge said:
Wildly difference scenarios. Trump had no political experience in 2015. I've seen Vance's political experience and I'm not thrilled by it. He's basically diet Pence. I don't see what he brings to the table for Trump other than being impeachment insurance to a degree and maybe some additional votes in Ohio.
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To me, what he lacks in political experience per-se, is what appeals to me about him. He made it as a Senator, so he does have a lay of the land about issues. However, he brings a "fresh" perspective about issues, that pretty much align with what I'm looking for. <shrug>
 
Motorcharge said:
Vance is ok, but he's flip flopped on a lot of shit, including Trump and doesn't really bring anything to the table imo. Big missed opportunity to pick up some independent voters via Vivek or Scott. I don't see Vance running for President in 2028, let alone winning. He's not anyone I would be enthusiastic about voting for for President.

As far as VP picks go though, he's not nearly as bad as the other mainstream names that were being floated so there's that I guess.
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So basically what you're saying is he's 10x better than Pence. He's not our 1st pick, maybe not even top 3, but he's 10x better than Pence. Got it.
 
GonPostal said:
To me, what he lacks in political experience per-se, is what appeals to me about him. He made it as a Senator, so he does have a lay of the land about issues. However, he brings a "fresh" perspective about issues, that pretty much align with what I'm looking for. <shrug>
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He's wrong on issues about as often as he is right imo. Though most the stuff I find myself disagreeing with him on is relatively minor stuff. I don't hate the guy, hell I'm not even upset he's the pick, I just don't think it was a smart pick overall.

45acp said:
So basically what you're saying is he's 10x better than Pence. He's not our 1st pick, maybe not even top 3, but he's 10x better than Pence. Got it.
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Almost anyone is 10x better than Pence. :laughing:
 
Personally I would have preferred Tulsi but Vance seems just as good. Also every right-side critique of Vance would be the same for Tulsi "he said a thing in 2016 that's different than what he says today so that means he's a grifter"

Tulsi is a more electable but Vance seems more committed.

Any VP who is openly wanting to abolish the ATF and the NFA is possibly the biggest 2A win in American history. As he would literally have the power to do it (or atleast greatly dimish the physical footing ATF).

Also it seems he's a big follower of BAP and Yarvin. Which leads me to believe he is an extremist, but a good one. As those two pump out some incredible political ideas that would shock a normie.
 
east_beast said:
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I've always said that both black culture and white trash culture have the same issue in that way too many folks will criticize you and say you either "ain't keepin' it real" or "you're outgrowing your raising" in those cultures when you're just trying to better yourself.
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So, you've read Thomas Sowell?

Black Rednecks and White Liberals - Wikipedia

Summary from wiki of one:

"Black Rednecks and White Liberals"[edit]​

The title essay states Sowell's thesis about the origins of the "black ghetto" culture.

Sowell argues that the black ghetto culture originates in the dysfunctional white southern redneck culture which was prominent in the antebellum South. That culture came, in turn, from the "Cracker culture" of Welsh, Highland Scots, Ulster Scots, and border English or "North Britons," who emigrated from the more lawless border regions of Britain in the eighteenth century.[1]
 
Motorcharge said:
Wildly difference scenarios. Trump had no political experience in 2015. I've seen Vance's political experience and I'm not thrilled by it. He's basically diet Pence. I don't see what he brings to the table for Trump other than being impeachment insurance to a degree and maybe some additional votes in Ohio.
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Stronger play for OH in the electoral college and more fire in his belly than Scott. I like them both, but I think that's what sealed the deal for him.
 
Motorcharge said:
Wildly difference scenarios. Trump had no political experience in 2015. I've seen Vance's political experience and I'm not thrilled by it. He's basically diet Pence. I don't see what he brings to the table for Trump other than being impeachment insurance to a degree and maybe some additional votes in Ohio.
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From my research today, if you think Vance is a "diet pence" then you're grossly ignorant of his views and voting history.

 
I think he’s a good pick but I don’t see him bringing anyone new to the ticket that trump didn’t already have.

He’s very good at sparring with the media, although I don’t know if trump would want to let the spotlight off of himself.

 
Pocahontas said:
I think he’s a good pick but I don’t see him bringing anyone new to the ticket that trump didn’t already have.

He’s very good at sparring with the media, although I don’t know if trump would want to let the spotlight off of himself.

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That was hard to watch.
 
rockota said:
That was hard to watch.
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Well it’s msm what do you expect. Is funny that they all have the same playbook, ask question get answers and frame it as what you want. “So what you’re saying is” same with Jordan Peterson and that bbc news chick.
 
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