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Track kick doublers? Anyone still making them?

This would be easy to add some portals to lol

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Anyone seen Mr Kieth rice post lately? I'm not great with Facebook, but couldn't find him.

I'm thinking about seeing if he would be interested in making an Lt230 doubler. Almost seems like the perfect upgrade for a zuk.

Both outputs off to passenger side.

A bunch of options for high range from 0.90-1.7:1. Which is sweet because sometimes the 1.7:1 high in the Sami case is almost too low when combined with lower axle gears.

3.32:1 low (works out to 6:1 doubled with a stock track kick case) but 4:1 and 5:1 kits available.

Would JR4X (not expting a response until after koh:laughing:) or Tydes be interested?
 
YotaAtieToo said:
Anyone seen Mr Kieth rice post lately? I'm not great with Facebook, but couldn't find him.

I'm thinking about seeing if he would be interested in making an Lt230 doubler. Almost seems like the perfect upgrade for a zuk.

Both outputs off to passenger side.

A bunch of options for high range from 0.90-1.7:1. Which is sweet because sometimes the 1.7:1 high in the Sami case is almost too low when combined with lower axle gears.

3.32:1 low (works out to 6:1 doubled with a stock track kick case) but 4:1 and 5:1 kits available.

Would JR4X (not expting a response until after koh:laughing:) or Tydes be interested?
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I do need one for an upcoming project. Was planing divorced but love a kick/lt230. I have his number
 
SLOWPOKE693 said:
So you want one off parts at Trail Mart prices. :shaking:

"Good stuff ain't cheap and cheap stuff ain't good"
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When is the last time you've shopped for anything remotely similar to this?

Even $1200 is really pushing what it's worth for a dumb zuk. If dudes price is more than that, so be it, I can't justify it.

For that kind of money you have a lot of options if you just go with a more common drivetrain.
 
Covecrawler said:
There’s a guy here in VA running the 2.0l, Mitsubishi trans, dana 300. He had a build thread on IBB. He competes in XRocks here on the east coast.

Point is, this setup does work.
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That thing is voodoo witchcraft and I had to sign an NDA while working on it. :lmao:

YotaAtieToo said:
I'd be in for one as long as it's not like $1200+
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This is the truth. Still, that's as much as it cost to buy a sami/dana300 case and gear it.

Id do what toyotanuts did to that white one, but use a Suzuki v6 and no doubler.
 
see if i can link a FB post here correctly...




Somewhere in OH is a samurai Klune-V it looks like
 
God forbid they add any details.

2.7 or 4:1?

What gears in tcase?

2.7/4.16 would be a sweet combo. Only problem there is it's basically just a 3 speed since 2.7x1.55 high is basically 4.2:1.
 
I bet it’s not too far off. Another interesting ghetto fab idea would be the divorced case from a Nissan 720 4x4 truck
 
YotaAtieToo said:
Anyone seen Mr Kieth rice post lately? I'm not great with Facebook, but couldn't find him.

I'm thinking about seeing if he would be interested in making an Lt230 doubler. Almost seems like the perfect upgrade for a zuk.

Both outputs off to passenger side.

A bunch of options for high range from 0.90-1.7:1. Which is sweet because sometimes the 1.7:1 high in the Sami case is almost too low when combined with lower axle gears.

3.32:1 low (works out to 6:1 doubled with a stock track kick case) but 4:1 and 5:1 kits available.

Would JR4X (not expting a response until after koh:laughing:) or Tydes be interested?
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LT230 is a huge pig. Atlas sized.
 
Aisin said:
Atlas is based on the Dana 300. I wouldn’t call it huge.
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Dana 300 is 85lbs.
LT230 is 105 ish.

For a TCase that's a pretty significant weight difference.

It is bigger in size too.
 
SLOWPOKE693 said:
That drivetrain must end up being 7' long with all that stuff divorce mounted off the transmission. :eek:
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Not if you run a single u joint :laughing:

You can see the slip right there, it's the same length iirc from back in the day.

SKULLYOTA said:
I bet it’s not too far off. Another interesting ghetto fab idea would be the divorced case from a Nissan 720 4x4 truck
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But why? :flipoff2:

Bebop said:
Dana 300 is 85lbs.
LT230 is 105 ish.

For a TCase that's a pretty significant weight difference.

It is bigger in size too.
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Atlas is 100lbs

Sami case is like 25 lbs :laughing:

I honestly didn't realize the lt230 was that heavy. Does not look that large in pics when mounted to common transmissions.

Is that the awd version?
 
I had another crack head doubler idea…..what about an old car three speed between the samurai trans and tcase? Like a Ford model A three speed is pretty small and would tuck up in the trans tunnel nicely…or run a T90/D18 off the Sammy transmission…..I saw a YouTube video of a samurai in MT that had a FJ40 3spd/t-case behind the stock 5spd.
 
SKULLYOTA said:
I had another crack head doubler idea…..what about an old car three speed between the samurai trans and tcase? Like a Ford model A three speed is pretty small and would tuck up in the trans tunnel nicely…or run a T90/D18 off the Sammy transmission…..I saw a YouTube video of a samurai in MT that had a FJ40 3spd/t-case behind the stock 5spd.
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Honestly that's not a bad idea. I've thought about several ghetto setups for doing that but never in something so little where you wouldn't have problems making the 2nd trans live because of the torque.

60s-70s 3 on the tree shit should be readily available and less problematic than antique shit.

They're not really setup for compact length so you'd need to do a fair bit of machine shop fuckery to make it all work in a reasonable length and you're gonna need an extra bearing up front.
 
I will admit that dual transmissions is nice for underpowered junk. Being able to drop the 2nd trans into a lower gear and use 2nd and 3rd in the main trans vs 1st and 2nd.

But for the most part, a 4.9 or 6.4 case and axle gears work really well.
 
There’s a dude in silt Colorado that put a SBC 350 TH350 SM465 NP205 in that order in a Jeepster commando. He spent a couple years on his little lathe modifying input/output shafts and making his own adapters to shorten it up as much as possible. Still had a pretty short rear driveline but it seemed to function well.
 
JR4X said:
There’s a dude in silt Colorado that put a SBC 350 TH350 SM465 NP205 in that order in a Jeepster commando. He spent a couple years on his little lathe modifying input/output shafts and making his own adapters to shorten it up as much as possible. Still had a pretty short rear driveline but it seemed to function well.
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I remember some dual 465s or similar back in the day, it was always curious about an auto in front of a manual.

My crawler came with dual Toyota 5 speeds. It works out to about 190:1 (double reverse :laughing:) with 4.10s, but lots of options obviously. Being able to go from crawling to whatever speed I need without stopping is nice also.
 
JR4X said:
There’s a dude in silt Colorado that put a SBC 350 TH350 SM465 NP205 in that order in a Jeepster commando. He spent a couple years on his little lathe modifying input/output shafts and making his own adapters to shorten it up as much as possible. Still had a pretty short rear driveline but it seemed to function well.
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And there's the Ranger dude who did 460 a mid mounted 460 in the bed backed by an NP435, NP435, NP205, NP205, maybe a 3rd NP205, I forget :laughing:
 
arse_sidewards said:
Honestly that's not a bad idea. I've thought about several ghetto setups for doing that but never in something so little where you wouldn't have problems making the 2nd trans live because of the torque.

60s-70s 3 on the tree shit should be readily available and less problematic than antique shit.

They're not really setup for compact length so you'd need to do a fair bit of machine shop fuckery to make it all work in a reasonable length and you're gonna need an extra bearing up front.
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There are tons of 3spds on CL and market place, for cheap. Some are very small (like the 20's and 30's cars) and are probably more than strong enough for a 1.3L. I think the 2wd DJ3 jeeps came with a 2wd t90 but not sure if it was column or top shift.

the ford 3spds all over market place are super long but they could probably be worked on like you say. and you can still get floor shift conversions for them. FJ40/55's also had top shift 3spds that most people throw away (myself included when i had one)



4.16 in a samurai is the perfect trail running low range, and adding some sort of doubler on top of that gives you gearing for crazier stuff.


YotaAtieToo said:
I will admit that dual transmissions is nice for underpowered junk. Being able to drop the 2nd trans into a lower gear and use 2nd and 3rd in the main trans vs 1st and 2nd.

But for the most part, a 4.9 or 6.4 case and axle gears work really well.
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I had dual transmissions on my beater rig in the old days on the other site. Started with a G52 to G52 before i blew up the rear trans and replaced it with a w56. I thought it was very handy and very fun to drive.
 
SKULLYOTA said:
There are tons of 3spds on CL and market place, for cheap. Some are very small (like the 20's and 30's cars) and are probably more than strong enough for a 1.3L. I think the 2wd DJ3 jeeps came with a 2wd t90 but not sure if it was column or top shift.

the ford 3spds all over market place are super long but they could probably be worked on like you say. and you can still get floor shift conversions for them. FJ40/55's also had top shift 3spds that most people throw away (myself included when i had one)



4.16 in a samurai is the perfect trail running low range, and adding some sort of doubler on top of that gives you gearing for crazier stuff.
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I can agree. Although with 6.4s and 4.88s high range is somewhat usable. But a 2:1 box with 4.xx would be ideal.


SKULLYOTA said:
I had dual transmissions on my beater rig in the old days on the other site. Started with a G52 to G52 before i blew up the rear trans and replaced it with a w56. I thought it was very handy and very fun to drive.
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Mine is g52/r150/23sp 2.28 gear drive. Functionally it's way better than the 5spd/2.28/4.7 rigs I've had.
 
SKULLYOTA said:
There are tons of 3spds on CL and market place, for cheap. Some are very small (like the 20's and 30's cars) and are probably more than strong enough for a 1.3L. I think the 2wd DJ3 jeeps came with a 2wd t90 but not sure if it was column or top shift.

the ford 3spds all over market place are super long but they could probably be worked on like you say. and you can still get floor shift conversions for them. FJ40/55's also had top shift 3spds that most people throw away (myself included when i had one)
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I was thinking along the lines of the Borg Warner stuff that everyone other than GM was tossing in their cars in the late 40s tapering down to nothing in the 70s. They're small side loaders and generally have short tailhousings and are often configured with a fixed yoke instead of a slip which is good for you, probably.

By the early 60s hitting triple digit speeds was starting to get realistic, the cars themselves were getting real long and still frequently had gear ratios in the deep 3s (because that's what you need for a hill start with a 150hp 2xx cubic inch V8) and that combination paired with tiny steel drive shafts can be getting real close to critical speed. The easy solution was that foot long dunce cap of a tailhousing that you see on every POS Muncie 4spd and whatnot from the muscle car era.
 
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Arse, how wide do you think one of those is? The reason I keep thinking about the model A is how narrow and short it is, would tuck up in the samurai tunnel nicely


The model A though is non-synchro, but you’d probably have treat it more like shifting a tcase between high and low, ie stopped and clutch engaged. The model A ratios are 3.12:1, 1.85:1 and 1:1. And a model A was rated for 65 which is faster than my samurai has ever gone :lmao:

I think there is a FJ40 three speed local to me on Marketplace I should go look at too
 
SKULLYOTA said:
Arse, how wide do you think one of those is? The reason I keep thinking about the model A is how narrow and short it is, would tuck up in the samurai tunnel nicely
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I've got a T-<some fucked up low number nobody wants that was used in Studebakers and some Fords> as the gearbox on my lathe. I'll measure tonight.

I can say from having Ford Model A shit kicking around in the past that it's not appreciably larger.
 
Seems like a t90 dana 18 would work. I started taking measurements to do this around 2008 but stopped since I didn’t have a good way to machine the input shaft shorter and add a yoke for the driveline.
 
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