I love the ideas where you use something like a 203 backwards. I have heard the same being doing for a 205. I just wish they could be shifted on the fly to split gears
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CarterKraft
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FL70 on air ride with a whatever flavor engine you want.
For my bench truck I'm gonna want MDT shit. A single cab flat bed truck is no bigger than that equivalent pickup and you get much much heavier duty shit.
For my bench truck I'm gonna want MDT shit. A single cab flat bed truck is no bigger than that equivalent pickup and you get much much heavier duty shit.
Projectjunkie
Whatever
What elevation?
I bought a fixer upper summer house in the mountains and will be making a lot of 500 mile round trips, my dd is long in the tooth and I need to plan an upgrade, but I'm thinking the supply runs might be too much for the half ton and random flatbed trailer loads of lumber and shit once I start climbing hills at elevation, and I'd wind up just using the tow rig "cuz turbo"
Also, you're going to have a hell of a time going backwards on suspension steering and brakes. My obs Ford with a 12v and nv4500 pulled like a freight train. Then I bought an 05 lly ccsb 4wd to flip, but after driving it with the tighter turning radius, stopping with the hydroboost and big ass 4 wheel disc's, and not having the noodly obs frame, the Ford got sold.
I'm going to build another, for a toy, but it's going on a super duty chassis
I bought a fixer upper summer house in the mountains and will be making a lot of 500 mile round trips, my dd is long in the tooth and I need to plan an upgrade, but I'm thinking the supply runs might be too much for the half ton and random flatbed trailer loads of lumber and shit once I start climbing hills at elevation, and I'd wind up just using the tow rig "cuz turbo"
Also, you're going to have a hell of a time going backwards on suspension steering and brakes. My obs Ford with a 12v and nv4500 pulled like a freight train. Then I bought an 05 lly ccsb 4wd to flip, but after driving it with the tighter turning radius, stopping with the hydroboost and big ass 4 wheel disc's, and not having the noodly obs frame, the Ford got sold.
I'm going to build another, for a toy, but it's going on a super duty chassis
YotaAtieToo
Thick skull
FL 70
The problem is the mdt shit is almost never built to go down the highway. We have a hand full of mdt's, (F650, Kodiak 7500, a couple Pete's) and I've driven others. They all suck ass on the highway compared to an F550. Plus half of them are slower towing than the F550.
If skipping over a 1 ton, may as well just go to a semi
Provience
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That's about where I'm liable to end up with. A grand or two at my convenience is an easier pill to swallow. The $10k super duty is also a risk for ending up at 15-20 still
CarterKraft
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Be more specific...FL 70
The problem is the mdt shit is almost never built to go down the highway. We have a hand full of mdt's, (F650, Kodiak 7500, a couple Pete's) and I've driven others. They all suck ass on the highway compared to an F550. Plus half of them are slower towing than the F550.
If skipping over a 1 ton, may as well just go to a semi
I said FL70 on air ride, four corner to be exact.
compared to a pickup you gain a lot of great features in a real MDT.
A 2022 F750 with a DCR swapped CP4 6.7 would be pretty awesome IMO.
CarterKraft
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I do not regret going to a medium duty. My truck is a 35k GVWR 2009 F750 with air brakes. The 260 hp 6.7 Cummins is definitely underpowered for what I need. I can manage Monteagle mountain and traveling from TN to Harlan KY because the mountain grades are not that long. The mountains out West are a different story. 25mph up Monarch Pass pulling my 48' enclosed with a bunch of pissed off people behind me. I am swapping in a ISL9 with 400hp , 1200tq, and 2 stage Jake Brakes. For me the ultimate medium duty would be a M2-112 with a DD13 but I didn't want to put that much money into something I use no more than once a month.
YotaAtieToo
Thick skull
I always thought the fl70 was a pos platform compared to others? If cost isn't an issue, the F650/750 is sweet for crew cab and Common parts between F250-F550.
But a semi is just sweet overkill
Air ride is fine, but just in general most MDTs suck on the highway. I guess if we're just talking theoretical sweet toe rigs air ride MDT with whatever motor you like and whatever tranny you like in a crew cab would be pretty awesome. The problem is they barely exist so then you end up spending a ton of time building it. Where a semi you can pretty much just buy it and go
Some of them I agree. Out nicer Pete is a beast for ~40k gross, but the 7500 is a joke.
This. If you are past an F550 and before a semi you end up with less power than newer class 3-4-5 and more weight than the class 3-4-5, so you end up with a slow as fuck truck. In my opinion the path is class 5 to class 8 you skip right through 6 and 7FL 70
The problem is the mdt shit is almost never built to go down the highway. We have a hand full of mdt's, (F650, Kodiak 7500, a couple Pete's) and I've driven others. They all suck ass on the highway compared to an F550. Plus half of them are slower towing than the F550.
If skipping over a 1 ton, may as well just go to a semi
build thread? This sounds like a badass project.I do not regret going to a medium duty. My truck is a 35k GVWR 2009 F750 with air brakes. The 260 hp 6.7 Cummins is definitely underpowered for what I need. I can manage Monteagle mountain and traveling from TN to Harlan KY because the mountain grades are not that long. The mountains out West are a different story. 25mph up Monarch Pass pulling my 48' enclosed with a bunch of pissed off people behind me. I am swapping in a ISL9 with 400hp , 1200tq, and 2 stage Jake Brakes. For me the ultimate medium duty would be a M2-112 with a DD13 but I didn't want to put that much money into something I use no more than once a month.
CarterKraft
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On the front page I was reading suggestions of a square bodies...
I was suggesting using a MDT as a "core" would be much improved over a square body.
This was badass, not cheap I'm sure
I was suggesting using a MDT as a "core" would be much improved over a square body.
This was badass, not cheap I'm sure
MDT and Semi's are great for long distance road trucks, But, I don't recommend them for storms offroad use. OP needs 4wd.
I got to drive a 12v with a GV. It was awesome down the interstate, But eventually blew up because the guy was towing an empty car trailer at 90 all the time...
Dream tow rig would be a 05-11 f450 with a 6.7 cummins and a zf-6. A 12 valve is okay in one, but they don't like being behind the 5r110 without TPS and RPM sensors.
I got to drive a 12v with a GV. It was awesome down the interstate, But eventually blew up because the guy was towing an empty car trailer at 90 all the time...
Dream tow rig would be a 05-11 f450 with a 6.7 cummins and a zf-6. A 12 valve is okay in one, but they don't like being behind the 5r110 without TPS and RPM sensors.
Beat95yj
Rolling 24/7
When I started at Edelbrock our 30 foot west Coast trailer was pulled by a Crew cab square body dually. It had a gear vendors in it, and they used it while towing the trailer all the time. I don’t know when they stopped being approved for towing. Seems like that’s what they were advertised for in the day.
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Yeah that's what I say every time I get in the Ranger after a week of driving something of the same year that handles, stops, goes, and has wind noise like an actual proper car. Takes about 1hr to get over it.
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2010s Diesel power wars era or thereabouts. It's not a new thing.
I bet they're probably fine if you don't try to put a bajillion horsetorks through them all the time.
Beat95yj
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We had a bbc/th400. Nowhere near deezul power.
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I think that's why they were fine for so many years. Kind of like how ~1-3/8 and ~30spl trans (and transfer case) outputs were fine from 1950-2005ish
LowDown
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I think my son and I are building something along the lines of what you're describing. I'll be honest though, part of me wishes we weren't. I'll come back to that in sec. We bought an '87 K20 that we thought just needed some minor TLC to become his DD. The plan immediately went out the window and we're now swapping in an 8.1, Alliison 1000, D60, AAM 11.5, all new wiring, AC, on and effin' on. Don't get me wrong - it's going to be a bad ass truck when it's done but damn, for what I have into it, I would have bought something newer that would probably tow way better and be safer.
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Do you know roughly what gross weight was on that thing? Would be kinda cool to see that thing with some vintage graphics on it.
I think the big difference was when double overdrive came into play it decreased pump speed inside the unit too much. A stock 12v had roughly 440 ft-lbs at 1500 rpm. Josh had at least 600 ft-lbs. Assuming Y'alls was company truck, It might have have been 2wd, geared 4.10 and had might have been a stock intake. IDK if you hopped it up or not. Peak torque on that thing would be well below towing rpm of 2600-3000, even with the gear vendors. Also the more you spin it, the more it can lubricate itself.
from GV site.
CarterKraft
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I kinda wished SCS would list "starting at" prices. I wanna know if I'm a fool for dumping $1500 into a doubler when they've got shit starting at $2k or if their shit starts at $10k and is just irrelevant to me.
CarterKraft
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You can find their prices on some mud truck sites. The stuff I looked at was surprisingly affordable for the level of bling.I kinda wished SCS would list "starting at" prices. I wanna know if I'm a fool for dumping $1500 into a doubler when they've got shit starting at $2k or if their shit starts at $10k and is just irrelevant to me.
Under $3k for a transfer case.
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I had one on the old site but it looks like all the photos were dumped. I paid $1800 at a government auction. I charged the batteries and it started up and ran smoothly. It had 67k miles I think.
Gbkeith
El Western Motel
If you’re buying something just to tow, might as well find an old single axle with a Cummins and 13 speed. Or 10 speed. Whatever. There have been a lot of them for sale out of California the last however many years.FL 70
The problem is the mdt shit is almost never built to go down the highway. We have a hand full of mdt's, (F650, Kodiak 7500, a couple Pete's) and I've driven others. They all suck ass on the highway compared to an F550. Plus half of them are slower towing than the F550.
If skipping over a 1 ton, may as well just go to a semi
YotaAtieToo
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Ya, or even a 2 axle, easy enough to loose one axle, or say fuck it and enjoy the overkill
Snowy
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FL 70
The problem is the mdt shit is almost never built to go down the highway. We have a hand full of mdt's, (F650, Kodiak 7500, a couple Pete's) and I've driven others. They all suck ass on the highway compared to an F550. Plus half of them are slower towing than the F550.
If skipping over a 1 ton, may as well just go to a semi
As someone that owns a gaggle of 9L MDT Freightliners, I agree completely. They are the worst of all worlds. Less power than a pickup, shit ergonomics, and HDT operating costs.
Bought a Prostar with a 15L and it is light years better ergonomically, has balls up on the highway and gets better fuel mileage than the little 9L stuff.
CarterKraft
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Aside from the vibration and shitty cab on my CV it pulls the 21k gross around like a rocket ship.
If it still had the older Terrastar cab and didn't have the fucked up front end vibration it would be a pretty awesome setup.
If it still had the older Terrastar cab and didn't have the fucked up front end vibration it would be a pretty awesome setup.
Snowy
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Terrastar/Durastar cabs are wayyyyyy better than FL’s. Outside of the brake pedals that the bushing wears out on and is easily fixed with a zip tie, they are super super solid and stay rattle free to big mileage.
CarterKraft
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This CV is a pile of shit, I had no idea the Terrastar was the "better" truck LOL
If it would have had this Duramax or a Cummins I'd probably still be in one.