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Tourist submarine exploring Titanic wreckage disappears in Atlantic Ocean

Yeah, they heard the thing blow. "They" being the military. Or that's what they claim at least. It's really fucked up that they'd give the families false hope just to run some rescue drills which is basically what their story was.
 
Texas97 said:
what is "mist"? small water particles/droplets that fall slowly or hang suspended as in 100% humidity?

yes, i think you can call someone turning back to basic elements via implosion as "mist".
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But did their bones turn to mist also? The rescue people collected something from the crushed beer can.
 
east_beast said:
Yeah, they heard the thing blow. "They" being the military. Or that's what they claim at least. It's really fucked up that they'd give the families false hope just to run some rescue drills which is basically what their story was.
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This is a BS narrative that needs to die. Yes, relatively early on it was known that that something happened in roughly that area and roughly that time, but that's far from knowing exactly what happened. I fully believe that this information was provided to searchers roughly when it was known. I would expect the families also would have been told at the time.

HOWEVER, until the wreckage was actually sighted or reasonable hope of survival (based on life support) was exhausted, there was no proof they were dead.

Nothing different here than any other SAR operation - if the neighbor's house falls in do you just walk away and say obviously they're dead or do you try your darnedest to find them just in case?

Likewise, completely appropriate to withhold the information while rescue efforts were ongoing, for exactly the reasons seen here - people can't be troubled to understand the difference between indication and proof.

This is also complicated by the systems, sensors and data in question being classified, so details are not available for public discussion.
 
Landslide said:
But did their bones turn to mist also? The rescue people collected something from the crushed beer can.
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Morbid curiosity got the best of me. It takes about 170mpa to crush bone, and the pressure at the Titanic is about 38mpa. So even if they made it all the way down before they popped (or inver-popped? Whatever.) the bodies wouldn't have been subjected to the force needed to pulverize bone.

Their skulls, however... like coke cans.
 
sdmuleman said:
This is a BS narrative that needs to die. Yes, relatively early on it was known that that something happened in roughly that area and roughly that time, but that's far from knowing exactly what happened. I fully believe that this information was provided to searchers roughly when it was known. I would expect the families also would have been told at the time.

HOWEVER, until the wreckage was actually sighted or reasonable hope of survival (based on life support) was exhausted, there was no proof they were dead.

Nothing different here than any other SAR operation - if the neighbor's house falls in do you just walk away and say obviously they're dead or do you try your darnedest to find them just in case?

Likewise, completely appropriate to withhold the information while rescue efforts were ongoing, for exactly the reasons seen here - people can't be troubled to understand the difference between indication and proof.

This is also complicated by the systems, sensors and data in question being classified, so details are not available for public discussion.
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and what do you base YOUR beliefs on?

Because I fully believe that the military knew when it went boom, and if they didn't we should be more concerned about THAT than them holding info.
 
Bacchus said:
Morbid curiosity got the best of me. It takes about 170mpa to crush bone, and the pressure at the Titanic is about 38mpa. So even if they made it all the way down before they popped (or inver-popped? Whatever.) the bodies wouldn't have been subjected to the force needed to pulverize bone.

Their skulls, however... like coke cans.
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With just water pressure, sure.
However, you so have the force of the walls/end pushing in as well, which would have a piston effect and increase the amount of force available to crush the people inside.

Aaron Z
 
Bacchus said:
Morbid curiosity got the best of me. It takes about 170mpa to crush bone, and the pressure at the Titanic is about 38mpa. So even if they made it all the way down before they popped (or inver-popped? Whatever.) the bodies wouldn't have been subjected to the force needed to pulverize bone.

Their skulls, however... like coke cans.
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Don't forget about the 10000f degree rise in temp. Google tells me bones turn to ash between 1400 and 1800 degrees f.....
 
grumpy356 said:
and what do you base YOUR beliefs on?

Because I fully believe that the military knew when it went boom, and if they didn't we should be more concerned about THAT than them holding info.
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Because I am one of them that you think so little of? Active duty navy, and I work with submarine stuff. Limited in what I can say, but I have had the chance to see some of the relevant email traffic between very senior leadership, and there was no attempt to hide anything.

Again, the key here is 'know' - we had strong evidence, but until the loss was confirmed it was still appropriate to continue the SAR effort, and would have been utterly inappropriate to make public announcements. Again, if someone's house is hit by a tornado do you just announce they are dead or do you go looking for them even though the house is rubble?
 
sdmuleman said:
Because I am one of them that you think so little of? Active duty navy….
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What the fuck does that mean?

Only careers I think low of are cops and politicians.

Any feeling I have on military are due to my personal experience, with the institution and the people I met when I was in the military :confused:
But my post didn’t refer to any of theses
 
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sdmuleman said:
Because I am one of them that you think so little of? Active duty navy, and I work with submarine stuff. Limited in what I can say, but I have had the chance to see some of the relevant email traffic between very senior leadership, and there was no attempt to hide anything.

Again, the key here is 'know' - we had strong evidence, but until the loss was confirmed it was still appropriate to continue the SAR effort, and would have been utterly inappropriate to make public announcements. Again, if someone's house is hit by a tornado do you just announce they are dead or do you go looking for them even though the house is rubble?
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That's good to know. Because that implosion would have been loud as fuck and traveled a looooong way. At the water temps they were at, the speed of sound is traveling at ~4500fps. If my math is correct that bang traveled away from the squished people at 3,068mph.

I'm glad to know my Navy can pick up loud bangs in the oceans at great distances.
 
grumpy356 said:
What the fuck does that mean?

Only careers I think low of are cops and politicians.

Any feel on have on military are due to my personal experience, with the institution and the people I met when I was in the military :confused:
But my post didn’t refer to any of theses
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Cops and telemarketers are the only people trying to give you a service you don’t want… :laughing:
 
The worlds militaries have microphone arrays all over the ocean listening for each others submarines. All of them would have triangulated that implosion within seconds to have the location and depth with pretty good accuracy.

If you hear an implosion where a sub was diving it's pretty hard to not link them.
 
sdmuleman said:
Because I am one of them that you think so little of? Active duty navy, and I work with submarine stuff. Limited in what I can say, but I have had the chance to see some of the relevant email traffic between very senior leadership, and there was no attempt to hide anything.

Again, the key here is 'know' - we had strong evidence, but until the loss was confirmed it was still appropriate to continue the SAR effort, and would have been utterly inappropriate to make public announcements. Again, if someone's house is hit by a tornado do you just announce they are dead or do you go looking for them even though the house is rubble?
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If you’re in the nuke side my friend may have been one of your instructors at one point.

Not sure if the house analogy is fair. Maybe if the house was in outer space
 
Dougal said:
The worlds militaries have microphone arrays all over the ocean listening for each others submarines. All of them would have triangulated that implosion within seconds to have the location and depth with pretty good accuracy.
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idk about that. the ocean is Huuuuuuge
 
fordguy said:
idk about that. the ocean is Huuuuuuge
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Yep, but that area is where we try to catch Russian subs coming out and down the East Coast.
The Titanic sunk here:
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SOSUS - Wikipedia

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1st Gen SOUS arrays (Red) and 2nd generation arrays (Green):
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All to cover the GIUK Gap:
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Aaron Z
 
gt1guy said:
That's good to know. Because that implosion would have been loud as fuck and traveled a looooong way. At the water temps they were at, the speed of sound is traveling at ~4500fps. If my math is correct that bang traveled away from the squished people at 3,068mph.

I'm glad to know my Navy can pick up loud bangs in the oceans at great distances.
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My thought is, the navy was in close proximity already either doing spy stuff on other nations or spying on this guys submarine to see how well it might be detected being made out of very little metal structure… for military intelligence and purposes yaknow.
 
Dougal said:
The worlds militaries have microphone arrays all over the ocean listening for each others submarines. All of them would have triangulated that implosion within seconds to have the location and depth with pretty good accuracy.

If you hear an implosion where a sub was diving it's pretty hard to not link them.
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I wonder if they can hear the titanic decaying? Yaknow, like when pieces fall off of her. That’d be kinda eerie
 
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